Message: 4
   Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 16:22:16 -0000
   From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Protein Question - Greg/Tom/Abe

--- In [log in to unmask], "Greg Watson" <gowatson@o...>
wrote:

> Hi Abe,
> Couple of things here.
> Sounds like most of your exercise is aerobic.  Aerobic exercise
uses stored
> Liver glycogen to provide the energy required for the exercise.
Until the Liver
> is depleted of glycogen, fat will not be used as a fuel source.


Don't think this is accurate. The conventional wisdom says that a
combination of fat and glycogen would be used for fuel, with the
understanding that the more intense the exertion level, the less fat
would be stoked for fuel. The idea is that the body would switch from
using some fat for fuel to no fat for fuel when the oxygen demands
changed from aerobic to anaerobic. Then it would use glucose only for
the immediate source of energy.


> Short intense anaerobic exercise causes GH to be released and GH
causes fat
> cells to release fatty acids and switches muscles from burning
glucose to
> burning fatty acids.  It also boosts IGF-1 to rebuild muscle
protein.


No disagreement here but only if the body has engaged the exercise
session on an empty stomach(or fasting glucose insulin state: 3 to 4
hours after a meal; 2 to 3 hours after a snack). The rest of the
burden would come immediately from stored muscle/liver glycogen in
concert with ATP.


> You can get aerobic exercise to burn fat by taking a GH releasing
supplement
> about 60 minutes before the exercise.  I find 3g of APGL or 3g of
Glutamine
> works well.


Not necessary. Fat is used as fuel for all aerobic exercise whether
the blood sugar is high or fasting. In the one case, the exercise
performed immediately after eating would have a lowering insulin
effect as the glucose is shuttled directly to muscles for instant use
(you would loose the Gh pulse however because of the presence of
insulin). On the other hand, aerobic exertion near fasting glucose
levels will use fat also plus glucose from stored reserves. Hunger
would not be felt during the session and even prolonged by the use of
the amino acid. But the GH pulse would be marginal unless there was
high intensity, switching from aerobic to anaerobic pathway.


> You need to eat protein or your body will breakdown your muscles to
get the
> protein it needs.  I eat about 90g / 3oz of tuna / salmon before &
after I
> exercise (that's about 23g of protein) to be sure I keep the muscle
growth I
> have worked for.


Again, not necessary, if you have eaten properly 3 hours before.
Also, after the session, it's best to wait at least 30 to 45 min.
before consuming anything other than water.


>DON'T use any carbs before, during or after the exercise.
>
> Never exercise longer than 60 minutes as cortisol builds up and
will tear down
> your muscles.
> ========================
> Good Health & Long Life,
>  Greg Watson,
>   http://www.ozemail.com.au/~gowatson



Hi Greg,

The most common/popular type of aerobic exercise is sleeping or
watching TV. Problem is, unless you're in that 'GH friendly Zone'
from the last meal, you're not going to be using fat as efficiently
for fuel since the fasting glucose never really flatlines.

Most exercise benefits are realized after the session is well over.
That said, the most beneficial form would be the anaerobic type:
intermittent, intense exercise in brief spurts promotes hormone
drives that quench hyperinsulinemia and build muscle and bone density
that keep you young and lean. These alterations in hormone levels and
flux elevate your metabolic fitness.

>From that standpoint it seems that exercise alone would only
contribute about 20 percent(verses 80 percent dietary)to our
antiaging efforts, since we cannot exercise 24 hours a day. But our
meals have hormonal effects on our bodies all day long. You eat
nutritionally dense foods, that are low in calories and high in fiber
and antioxidants. It will end your carbohydrate cravings and raise
your energy level which is depleted by the blood sugar/insulin
rebound and high serotonin levels promoted by high calorie foods. The
diet would be high in natural plant fiber, phenols, flavonoids, and
phytochemicals, nature's own cancer-fighting and antioxidant
compounds.

The importance of the 80 percent diet, including caloric restriction,
depends upon proper food variety and timing of meals to promote the
growth and retention of lean muscle mass and shed fat, providing the
anti-aging benefits of severe calorie-restricted diets without the
costs.

If you're eating in 'the GH friendly Zone' you can access those fat
stores 24 hours a day.

Thanks,
Tom

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   Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:21:03 -0500
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Message: 15
   Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:29:34 +0930
   From: "Greg Watson" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Re: Protein Question - Greg/Tom/Abe

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Muscles switch from burning glucose to burning fat when one of two factors
occur:

1) GH promotes the switch.
2) There are more fatty acids than glucose in the blood.

Fatty acids will only be released (without GH) when the liver runs out of
gylcogen and blood glucose levels start to drop by the body raising glucodon
to
very high levels.  Some glucodon is needed for the liver to do the glycogen
to
glucose conversion to maintain blood glucose levels.  At this low level of
glucodon, not a lot of fatty acids will be released from our fat stores and
as
there is more glucose available the muscles will burn mainly glucose.

Also Insulin will drop promoting the muscles to breakdown their protein
stores
to supply the liver with gluconeogenenic precursors for conversion into
glucose.
Barry Sears is right when he says that low Insulin can be a bad as high
Insulin.

The CKD ketonic diet uses 2 days of NO carbs and intense exercise to deplete
the
liver of glycogen to get at the fat stores.

Eating protein pre exercise will help to STOP low Insulin and / or Cortosol
from
breaking down muscle protein.

Fat will only be used for fuel if a fat releasing hormone is active & quite
high
(GH, Glucodon, Cortosol, etc.).  Yes some circulation fat in the blood may
be
burnt, but that is not a lot.

With aerobic exercise, Insulin will be a little low, Glucodon a little high,
GH
low & Cortosol slowly climbing.  With this hormone combo, very little fatty
acids will be released from our fat stores and most of the energy will come
from
the glycogen stored initially in the muscles and from that stored in the
liver.

Correct. And then Glucodon would rise a little and restore blood glucose
levels
by converting the gylcogen stored in the liver into glucose.  This small
amount
of Glucodon would not initiate a big release of fatty acids.  When the liver
runs out of glycogen and blood glucose levels really drop, Glucodon would
rocket
up and heaps of fatty acids would be available and converted into Ketones.
The
muscles would then burn the Ketones in preference to the fatty acids.
Cortosol
or it's cousins would accelerate this process.

A little Insulin goes hand in hand with GH.  GH even kicks Insulin up a
little
to help boost IGF-1 levels.  In doing so, GH also inhibits Insulin's ability
to
move glucose & aminos into cells.  It wants IGF-1 to do that!  Cleaver stuff
GH.

Agree.  High intensity exercise will boost GH and short cut the need to
deplete
Liver glycogen stores to get at the fat stores.  Remember you need high
glucodon
levels to get the fat cells to release large amounts of fatty acids and to
do
that requires blood glucose levels to drop very low and to do that requires
the
Liver to run out of stored glycogen.  To do that requires a LOT of exercise
and
a NO carb diet.

Not what I would recommend!!!

And let Cortosol break down my muscle protein still further?  You need to
protect your muscles from catabolic breakdown post workout.  Dietary protein
&
Glutamine will help to do that.  The Liver wants to replenish it's glycogen
stores & cares not where it get its input from.  Feed the body protein pre
workout, protein & Glutamine post workout.  Keep the Liver happy & keep your
muscle protein where you want it.  In the muscles.

Have you had a chance to read Ron Faigin's book "Natural Hormone
Replacement"?

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Good Health & Long Life,
 Greg Watson,
  http://www.ozemail.com.au/~gowatson
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