hello, anybody else out there ?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Tanner [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 9:42 AM
> To:   [log in to unmask]
> Subject:      Re: [EVOLUTIONARY-FITNESS] 24 hours of GH release
>
> Message: 4
>    Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 16:22:16 -0000
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> Subject: Re: Protein Question - Greg/Tom/Abe
>
> --- In [log in to unmask], "Greg Watson" <gowatson@o...>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Abe,
> > Couple of things here.
> > Sounds like most of your exercise is aerobic.  Aerobic exercise
> uses stored
> > Liver glycogen to provide the energy required for the exercise.
> Until the Liver
> > is depleted of glycogen, fat will not be used as a fuel source.
>
>
> Don't think this is accurate. The conventional wisdom says that a
> combination of fat and glycogen would be used for fuel, with the
> understanding that the more intense the exertion level, the less fat
> would be stoked for fuel. The idea is that the body would switch from
> using some fat for fuel to no fat for fuel when the oxygen demands
> changed from aerobic to anaerobic. Then it would use glucose only for
> the immediate source of energy.
>
>
> > Short intense anaerobic exercise causes GH to be released and GH
> causes fat
> > cells to release fatty acids and switches muscles from burning
> glucose to
> > burning fatty acids.  It also boosts IGF-1 to rebuild muscle
> protein.
>
>
> No disagreement here but only if the body has engaged the exercise
> session on an empty stomach(or fasting glucose insulin state: 3 to 4
> hours after a meal; 2 to 3 hours after a snack). The rest of the
> burden would come immediately from stored muscle/liver glycogen in
> concert with ATP.
>
>
> > You can get aerobic exercise to burn fat by taking a GH releasing
> supplement
> > about 60 minutes before the exercise.  I find 3g of APGL or 3g of
> Glutamine
> > works well.
>
>
> Not necessary. Fat is used as fuel for all aerobic exercise whether
> the blood sugar is high or fasting. In the one case, the exercise
> performed immediately after eating would have a lowering insulin
> effect as the glucose is shuttled directly to muscles for instant use
> (you would loose the Gh pulse however because of the presence of
> insulin). On the other hand, aerobic exertion near fasting glucose
> levels will use fat also plus glucose from stored reserves. Hunger
> would not be felt during the session and even prolonged by the use of
> the amino acid. But the GH pulse would be marginal unless there was
> high intensity, switching from aerobic to anaerobic pathway.
>
>
> > You need to eat protein or your body will breakdown your muscles to
> get the
> > protein it needs.  I eat about 90g / 3oz of tuna / salmon before &
> after I
> > exercise (that's about 23g of protein) to be sure I keep the muscle
> growth I
> > have worked for.
>
>
> Again, not necessary, if you have eaten properly 3 hours before.
> Also, after the session, it's best to wait at least 30 to 45 min.
> before consuming anything other than water.
>
>
> >DON'T use any carbs before, during or after the exercise.
> >
> > Never exercise longer than 60 minutes as cortisol builds up and
> will tear down
> > your muscles.
> > ========================
> > Good Health & Long Life,
> >  Greg Watson,
> >   http://www.ozemail.com.au/~gowatson
>
>
>
> Hi Greg,
>
> The most common/popular type of aerobic exercise is sleeping or
> watching TV. Problem is, unless you're in that 'GH friendly Zone'
> from the last meal, you're not going to be using fat as efficiently
> for fuel since the fasting glucose never really flatlines.
>
> Most exercise benefits are realized after the session is well over.
> That said, the most beneficial form would be the anaerobic type:
> intermittent, intense exercise in brief spurts promotes hormone
> drives that quench hyperinsulinemia and build muscle and bone density
> that keep you young and lean. These alterations in hormone levels and
> flux elevate your metabolic fitness.
>
> >From that standpoint it seems that exercise alone would only
> contribute about 20 percent(verses 80 percent dietary)to our
> antiaging efforts, since we cannot exercise 24 hours a day. But our
> meals have hormonal effects on our bodies all day long. You eat
> nutritionally dense foods, that are low in calories and high in fiber
> and antioxidants. It will end your carbohydrate cravings and raise
> your energy level which is depleted by the blood sugar/insulin
> rebound and high serotonin levels promoted by high calorie foods. The
> diet would be high in natural plant fiber, phenols, flavonoids, and
> phytochemicals, nature's own cancer-fighting and antioxidant
> compounds.
>
> The importance of the 80 percent diet, including caloric restriction,
> depends upon proper food variety and timing of meals to promote the
> growth and retention of lean muscle mass and shed fat, providing the
> anti-aging benefits of severe calorie-restricted diets without the
> costs.
>
> If you're eating in 'the GH friendly Zone' you can access those fat
> stores 24 hours a day.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
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>    Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:21:03 -0500
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> Message: 15
>    Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:29:34 +0930
>    From: "Greg Watson" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Re: Protein Question - Greg/Tom/Abe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 1:52 AM
> Subject: [AntiAgingResearch] Re: Protein Question - Greg/Tom/Abe
>
>
> Muscles switch from burning glucose to burning fat when one of two factors
> occur:
>
> 1) GH promotes the switch.
> 2) There are more fatty acids than glucose in the blood.
>
> Fatty acids will only be released (without GH) when the liver runs out of
> gylcogen and blood glucose levels start to drop by the body raising
> glucodon
> to
> very high levels.  Some glucodon is needed for the liver to do the
> glycogen
> to
> glucose conversion to maintain blood glucose levels.  At this low level of
> glucodon, not a lot of fatty acids will be released from our fat stores
> and
> as
> there is more glucose available the muscles will burn mainly glucose.
>
> Also Insulin will drop promoting the muscles to breakdown their protein
> stores
> to supply the liver with gluconeogenenic precursors for conversion into
> glucose.
> Barry Sears is right when he says that low Insulin can be a bad as high
> Insulin.
>
> The CKD ketonic diet uses 2 days of NO carbs and intense exercise to
> deplete
> the
> liver of glycogen to get at the fat stores.
>
> Eating protein pre exercise will help to STOP low Insulin and / or
> Cortosol
> from
> breaking down muscle protein.
>
> Fat will only be used for fuel if a fat releasing hormone is active &
> quite
> high
> (GH, Glucodon, Cortosol, etc.).  Yes some circulation fat in the blood may
> be
> burnt, but that is not a lot.
>
> With aerobic exercise, Insulin will be a little low, Glucodon a little
> high,
> GH
> low & Cortosol slowly climbing.  With this hormone combo, very little
> fatty
> acids will be released from our fat stores and most of the energy will
> come
> from
> the glycogen stored initially in the muscles and from that stored in the
> liver.
>
> Correct. And then Glucodon would rise a little and restore blood glucose
> levels
> by converting the gylcogen stored in the liver into glucose.  This small
> amount
> of Glucodon would not initiate a big release of fatty acids.  When the
> liver
> runs out of glycogen and blood glucose levels really drop, Glucodon would
> rocket
> up and heaps of fatty acids would be available and converted into Ketones.
> The
> muscles would then burn the Ketones in preference to the fatty acids.
> Cortosol
> or it's cousins would accelerate this process.
>
> A little Insulin goes hand in hand with GH.  GH even kicks Insulin up a
> little
> to help boost IGF-1 levels.  In doing so, GH also inhibits Insulin's
> ability
> to
> move glucose & aminos into cells.  It wants IGF-1 to do that!  Cleaver
> stuff
> GH.
>
> Agree.  High intensity exercise will boost GH and short cut the need to
> deplete
> Liver glycogen stores to get at the fat stores.  Remember you need high
> glucodon
> levels to get the fat cells to release large amounts of fatty acids and to
> do
> that requires blood glucose levels to drop very low and to do that
> requires
> the
> Liver to run out of stored glycogen.  To do that requires a LOT of
> exercise
> and
> a NO carb diet.
>
> Not what I would recommend!!!
>
> And let Cortosol break down my muscle protein still further?  You need to
> protect your muscles from catabolic breakdown post workout.  Dietary
> protein
> &
> Glutamine will help to do that.  The Liver wants to replenish it's
> glycogen
> stores & cares not where it get its input from.  Feed the body protein pre
> workout, protein & Glutamine post workout.  Keep the Liver happy & keep
> your
> muscle protein where you want it.  In the muscles.
>
> Have you had a chance to read Ron Faigin's book "Natural Hormone
> Replacement"?
>
> ========================
> Good Health & Long Life,
>  Greg Watson,
>   http://www.ozemail.com.au/~gowatson
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