Hi Steve & Everyone;

I agree completely with you.

Both the TS-2000 and, the TH-F6A are two excellent radios.

A lot of receiver noise is generated mechanically.  Whether it comes from 
line noise or home appliances or the electrical system in your home.

Plus, there are a lot more products out there that generate RF.

Products such as cordless phones and, computers.

And, even if stray RF is not the issue, a lot of electrical systems are 
overloaded today.

They are just my thoughts.

73 De Anthony W2AJV
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Dresser" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: TS2000S -- Why the Critique


> Lou,
>
> My friend with the TS-2000s probably does more DX VHF/UHF work than you or 
> I
> or any ten hams we know, and he's never complained about the radio's
> insensitivity or noise.  At the same time, I can't refute the experiences
> you mention, so I have to believe there are some factors we're not seeing.
> Trouble is, there are so many people using the TS-2000, and I find it hard
> to believe that it would sell so well if it weren't a pretty good radio.
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lou Kline" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 14:47
> Subject: Re: TS2000S -- Why the Critique
>
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> I've compared notes with a couple of other TS2000S owners in the 
>> Rochester
>> area, and my experiences seem to compare with theirs, so I don't think it
>> is an isolated incident.
>>
>> What I do think is that the TS2000S is adequate for local VHF/UHF 
>> work--it
>> is when you are trying for those weak signals in those far away grids
>> where
>> the SSB signal is near the noise floor that you really see the 
>> differences
>> between that radio and other radios like the TS790A.  I do also find that
>> it is helpful to ride the RF GAIN control with this radio more so than
>> most
>> other models that I've worked with.
>>
>> I want to emphasize that this is an issue for those that demand very high
>> receiver performance--and it is still good by 1960s or 1970s standards.
>> In
>> light of the Heath HW16 that I started with, the TS2000S looks pretty
>> good.  I used to give anyone I could hear on 15 meters a RST599 report
>> with
>> the HW16, because the HW16 was so stinking deaf on 15 meters that if I
>> could hear them, they deserved a 599!
>>
>> 73, de Lou K2LKK
>>
>>
>>
>> At 04:30 PM 2/2/2008 -0500, you wrote:
>>>Lou,
>>>
>>>I'm surprised that you found problems with the 2000 on VHF and UHF.  A
>>>friend of mine, who does VHF/UHF work almost exclusively, has two (yes,
>>>count 'em, two) TS-2000s and loves them both.  I wonder if Kenwood has
>>>some
>>>quality control issues with noisy receivers in that radio.
>>>
>>>Steve
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Lou Kline" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 14:59
>>>Subject: TS2000S -- Why the Critique
>>>
>>>
>>> > Hi.
>>> >
>>> > The main reason why I lamb-basted Kenwood concerning the TS2000S is 
>>> > the
>>> > receiver noise floor issue.  I didn't realize how bad it is until I
>>> > started
>>> > doing some rig to rig comparisons during the VHF contest, and
>>> > discovered
>>> > that the Kenwood TS690 stomps the snot out of the TS2000S on 6 meters,
>>> > and
>>> > the TS790A stomps the snot out of it on 2 meters and 70 cm.  I already
>>> > knew
>>> > the TS690 is quieter on HF, but the receiver sensitivity isn't as
>>> > critical
>>> > as it is on VHF/UHF.
>>> >
>>> > My take on it is this.  In any rig that I buy, it is receiver
>>> > performance
>>> > that I hold out for primarily.  Anybody can build a transmitter 
>>> > section
>>> > that will do the job reasonably well--that isn't rocket science.  But
>>> > it
>>> > is
>>> > generally the receiver section that makes a rig exceptional or very
>>> > bad,
>>> > because let's face it folks--you can't work 'em if you can't hear 'em.
>>> >
>>> > My point is that for the cost of the rqadio, I think Kenwood could 
>>> > have
>>> > paid a little more attention to receiver noise, and for the length of
>>> > time
>>> > that radio has been on the market, they could have come out with a
>>> > revised
>>> > version, if they cared at all.  Or even if they had a more expensive
>>> > version that provided a first class receiver, I'm the kind of operator
>>> > that
>>> > would spend the extra bucks to get something really good if it were in
>>> > my
>>> > means to do so.  My take on the TS2000S is that it is a good radio for
>>> > folks that do casual operation on a lot of different bands, but for
>>> > someone
>>> > who is looking for very good performance, it comes up short.
>>> >
>>> > That is my two cents worth.
>>> >
>>> > 73, de Lou K2LKK
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Louis Kim Kline
>>> > A.R.S. K2LKK
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> Louis Kim Kline
>> A.R.S. K2LKK
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>>
>>
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