Hi Steve & Everyone; I agree completely with you. Both the TS-2000 and, the TH-F6A are two excellent radios. A lot of receiver noise is generated mechanically. Whether it comes from line noise or home appliances or the electrical system in your home. Plus, there are a lot more products out there that generate RF. Products such as cordless phones and, computers. And, even if stray RF is not the issue, a lot of electrical systems are overloaded today. They are just my thoughts. 73 De Anthony W2AJV [log in to unmask] ECHOLINK NODE NUMBER: 74389 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Dresser" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 3:34 PM Subject: Re: TS2000S -- Why the Critique > Lou, > > My friend with the TS-2000s probably does more DX VHF/UHF work than you or > I > or any ten hams we know, and he's never complained about the radio's > insensitivity or noise. At the same time, I can't refute the experiences > you mention, so I have to believe there are some factors we're not seeing. > Trouble is, there are so many people using the TS-2000, and I find it hard > to believe that it would sell so well if it weren't a pretty good radio. > > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lou Kline" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 14:47 > Subject: Re: TS2000S -- Why the Critique > > >> Hi. >> >> I've compared notes with a couple of other TS2000S owners in the >> Rochester >> area, and my experiences seem to compare with theirs, so I don't think it >> is an isolated incident. >> >> What I do think is that the TS2000S is adequate for local VHF/UHF >> work--it >> is when you are trying for those weak signals in those far away grids >> where >> the SSB signal is near the noise floor that you really see the >> differences >> between that radio and other radios like the TS790A. I do also find that >> it is helpful to ride the RF GAIN control with this radio more so than >> most >> other models that I've worked with. >> >> I want to emphasize that this is an issue for those that demand very high >> receiver performance--and it is still good by 1960s or 1970s standards. >> In >> light of the Heath HW16 that I started with, the TS2000S looks pretty >> good. I used to give anyone I could hear on 15 meters a RST599 report >> with >> the HW16, because the HW16 was so stinking deaf on 15 meters that if I >> could hear them, they deserved a 599! >> >> 73, de Lou K2LKK >> >> >> >> At 04:30 PM 2/2/2008 -0500, you wrote: >>>Lou, >>> >>>I'm surprised that you found problems with the 2000 on VHF and UHF. A >>>friend of mine, who does VHF/UHF work almost exclusively, has two (yes, >>>count 'em, two) TS-2000s and loves them both. I wonder if Kenwood has >>>some >>>quality control issues with noisy receivers in that radio. >>> >>>Steve >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Lou Kline" <[log in to unmask]> >>>To: <[log in to unmask]> >>>Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 14:59 >>>Subject: TS2000S -- Why the Critique >>> >>> >>> > Hi. >>> > >>> > The main reason why I lamb-basted Kenwood concerning the TS2000S is >>> > the >>> > receiver noise floor issue. I didn't realize how bad it is until I >>> > started >>> > doing some rig to rig comparisons during the VHF contest, and >>> > discovered >>> > that the Kenwood TS690 stomps the snot out of the TS2000S on 6 meters, >>> > and >>> > the TS790A stomps the snot out of it on 2 meters and 70 cm. I already >>> > knew >>> > the TS690 is quieter on HF, but the receiver sensitivity isn't as >>> > critical >>> > as it is on VHF/UHF. >>> > >>> > My take on it is this. In any rig that I buy, it is receiver >>> > performance >>> > that I hold out for primarily. Anybody can build a transmitter >>> > section >>> > that will do the job reasonably well--that isn't rocket science. But >>> > it >>> > is >>> > generally the receiver section that makes a rig exceptional or very >>> > bad, >>> > because let's face it folks--you can't work 'em if you can't hear 'em. >>> > >>> > My point is that for the cost of the rqadio, I think Kenwood could >>> > have >>> > paid a little more attention to receiver noise, and for the length of >>> > time >>> > that radio has been on the market, they could have come out with a >>> > revised >>> > version, if they cared at all. Or even if they had a more expensive >>> > version that provided a first class receiver, I'm the kind of operator >>> > that >>> > would spend the extra bucks to get something really good if it were in >>> > my >>> > means to do so. My take on the TS2000S is that it is a good radio for >>> > folks that do casual operation on a lot of different bands, but for >>> > someone >>> > who is looking for very good performance, it comes up short. >>> > >>> > That is my two cents worth. >>> > >>> > 73, de Lou K2LKK >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Louis Kim Kline >>> > A.R.S. K2LKK >>> > Home e-mail: [log in to unmask] >>> > Work e-mail: [log in to unmask] >>> > Work Telephone: (585) 697-5740 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 >>>11:54 AM >> >> Louis Kim Kline >> A.R.S. K2LKK >> Home e-mail: [log in to unmask] >> Work e-mail: [log in to unmask] >> Work Telephone: (585) 697-5740 >> >> >> >> > >