I can see that you're convinced of this.  I'm still not.  While I will
concede that it's possible that pieces of food may stick occasionally, I
still don't think that this is something that is happening with a frequency
and tenacity such that it requires unnatural means to remove.

When you say that food becomes ashen as time progresses, is this something
you've seen evidence of, or is it something you "know"?  I'm not meaning to
be facetious here, I'm trying to get a grip on this idea.  I'm also not
clear on why the occasional high-fiber meal isn't sufficient to remove any
such mess.  Not that I'm defending dairy or anything, but how does this
mucous get removed from the intestinal walls of a baby who is
breast-feeding?  I'm no expert on babies, but don't babies on soy formula
have a lot more digestive problems than breast-feeding babies?

This idea that meat creates mucous in the intestines, again, is this
something you've seen proof of, or something you "know"?  It sounds very
much like what militant vegetarians say.  (I mean, honestly, can you really
look in the bowl and visually date what's floating?  I can't.  Not that
I've ever really tried, but my point is that if you are looking and you
want to see something old that supports your idea, then you're going to see
it.)  Let me put it this way:  if it's not something that shouldn't be
consumed according to paleodiet, then all bets are off, of course (i.e.,
bread, pasta, etc.).  But if it's something that would normally have been
consumed by our ancient forebears, then I'm not convinced that it does
create mucous, but if it does, then I believe the natural processes of the
body should be able to handle it.  Now I'm just speculating too.  But
before I'm going to believe that the only thing it's safe for a human
consume is psyllium husk, I'm going to have to see an example of one of
these intestines with 5 pounds of meat stuck in it, specifically one from
someone who's been eating paleo for awhile.  (Any volunteers? <g>)

No offense to any Malaysians or Malaysian-sympathetic individuals on this
list, but aren't they somewhat an exception to the rule?  I mean, I don't
know thing one abaout Malaysia.  What are their living conditions?  What is
their food supply like?  Sanitation?  Crowding?  Is there not some reason
why they have this problem?  If it was truly a universal problem, then this
country would be in a panic (meaning the US).

Of course parasites and candida can find constant nourishment in our
insides; we eat every day!  Are you saying that they feed primarily on the
junk that's stuck?  Is there anything to back this up?  I mean, people who
stop eating foods that support candida seem to stop having symptoms fairly
quickly after stopping.  (Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this.)  If
they've got years of stuff stuck in their insides, shouldn't the symptoms
continue for years as well?

As for the 300/15 people and constipation, what were these people eating?
 How old were they when they died?  When it comes to things like this, my
viewpoint is that all data is suspect until proven.  My reasoning is that
these studies have several problems with them.  First, they are almost
always funded by the groups or corporations which stand most to profit from
them or whose beliefs will be supported by the outcome.  Second, these
studies are done exclusively on people who are eating a "normal" diet, as
far as I know.  How can I possibly think the data applies to me when I do
not eat what they do?

I hope you don't think this is a personal attack, as it is not.  The point
I'm trying to make is that in my view much of this topic has become a
belief system to many people, much in the same way that they believe in
angels (ever seen one?).  People are so convinced that we need all kinds of
fiber from plants that aren't even edible in order for our bowels to work
correctly that it frankly has me baffled.  It makes me think it the FDA
Food Pyramid.  The Food Pyramid is a bunch of hogwash, supported by studies
finded by the groups who would profit (recently the FDA recommended adding
another serving of grains to the daily intake based on the outcome of a
study performed by... the Denver Wheat Growers' Council!).  Metamucil makes
profit.  People who do colonics make profit.  People who sell drugs and
herbs used for "colon-cleansing" make profit.  Of course they're going to
tell you you need all this stuff.

I'm fairly convinced that the "mucous" you see is the actual Metamucil or
whichever seed husk product you're taking.  But I'll tell you what.  I'm so
bent on proving this one way or the other that I'm going to try it on
myself.  Somebody tell me which brand of this stuff I can get with nothing
added (no sugar, no nutraweet).  I will report my "findings" to the list.
 (Sorry, I don't have a scanner, though! <g>)

John Pavao

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If the walls of your colon are *completely* covered with food remnants
then I believe you would have diarrhea. But things get stuck in clumps
for the most part. Food that is left remaining in the colon does indeed
get the water removed from it. And as time progresses it becomes ashen
like it would outside of the body. Perhaps one day when you eat a
high-fiber meal some of this material is removed additionally, so that
it may not remain there forever. When you embark on a successful
cleansing campaign you become aware of these processes. It's really
quite scary when you know how much isn't coming out.

I don't yet know how the low-carb high-meat diet fairs. From the limited
(one or two months) that I was able to go non-dairy, things didn't go
really well. From what I've read, all things mucus-creating will stick
to the colon. This includes meat (and quite frankly nearly everything
else). I think this topic is an extremely important issue for our
health.

It was recently reported that 60% of malaysians have worms (as found
post mortum; source unknown). I bring this up to point out that worms
and candida and etc. are only able to survive in the intestine because
they are finding constant nurishment there. Another statistic that I
have seen in more than one source is that the average male in the U.S.
is found to have five pounds of meat caked on the intestinal wall
(Sorry, I tried but couldn't find my source on this. I'm sure it's not
news to you.) So, if a paleo diet will keep us from further build-up,
will it remove what's already there? Lastly, autopsies were performed on
300 people only fifteen had claimed that they weren't constipated. As it
turns out only fifteen were *not* constipated (Tissue Cleansing Through
bowel Management by Bernard Jensen, 1981: 43) My point here is that
people really don't know that they are constipated (which equals food is
stuck to their intestine).

Micke