Haruna,
I do not intend to labor into debates for the sake of it, but just want to
add that UDP does not belong to a group of people or individuals. UDP or any
other political party seeks to represent all Gambians and the last time I
checked I was still Gambian. I therefore do not need to be part of UDP or
NRP to issue what I think is an independent citizen observation.
I am entitled to my opinions and please let me make them.....
I have no beef against Hamat or UDP... I was simply expressing my concerns
and observations on the inconsistencies I have seen as far as Hamat is
concern. I was only referencing a bitter lesson UDP might have learned from
Waa Juwara and Hamat is acting like that....
Again, I was simply expressing my opinion and cautioning on some genuine
observation.
Just for the record, Gambia's governing and political situation is so dire,
so distasteful that I have promise myself to rise above individual party
politics as far as Gambia is concern...
We either strive to find a collective solution to our political problems or
we will go down together and be even bitter come dawn 2011.
Thanks
Demba
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Mr. Baldeh, Demba, how are you? I noticed you used some strong language in
> relation to Hon. Hamat and I think they are out of place. I will use your
> notes to explain why.
>
> [-----Original Message----- From: Demba Baldeh [log in to unmask] To:
> GAMBIA-L [log in to unmask] Sent: Mon, Jun 14, 2010 3:36 pm
> Subject: Re: Hamat Bah at the UDP Congress
> With all due respect... Hamat should equally zip his mouth.] Demba.
>
> WHy should Hon. Hamat zip his mouth Demba?
>
> [While I congratulate the UDP on their successful congress, they should
> watch Hamat.] Demba.
>
> WHy should the UDP watch Hon. Hamat Demba? This smacks of creating distrust
> among coleagues. You must have a good reason to counsel thusly.
>
> [Gambia doesn't need seasonal politicians who disappears and resurface only
> few months before elections.] Demba.
>
> You mean Demba doesn't need ....... It is burdensome to speak for all of us
> Demba especially where you counsel us on our relations with our fellows.
> Besides that, Hon. Hamat is the leader of NRP, a political party in Gambia.
> I don't know if you are a member of NRP's executive or rank and file but I
> hazard not. Do you not think Hamat knows best how he ought to complete the
> affairs of NRP and her campaign parameters? I think all politicians
> disappear from public view on occasion and reappear a few months before
> elections. Do you think Hon. Hamat is unique in that? A politician vies for
> votes of an electorate and there usually is a calendar for elections. Is
> this why you warn the UDP to watch Hon. Hamat? I think not Demba.
>
> [As much as Hamat may be my brother I question his sincerity in becoming a
> genuine political partner.] Demba.
>
> Demba, brother or not, are you seeking genuine political partnership with
> Hon. Hamat or the NRP? Have you informed them of your desire for such
> partnership? Besides, why would your political partnership with Hon. Hamat
> inure caution for distrust for the UDP? Surely you must have a good reason
> why you counsel the UDP to watch Hon. Hamat. And is it your place to issue
> such ignominious counsel to a political party of which you may not be
> member. And of another political party of which you may not be member? We
> must be very careful about pretenses and false agency, particularly where
> that may inure distrust and division.
>
> [Remember Hamat was the first to decline party lead coalition during the
> NADD discussion.] Demba.
>
> And Hon. Hamat has the authority and the discernment to make such decisions
> on the behalf of the he leads. WOuld you grant him that right and privilege?
> Is this why you counsel the UDP to watch Hon. Hamat? I must not believe what
> I'm hearing from you Demba. I am thoroughly disappointed. Perhaps toward the
> tail-end of your notes I will chance on the reason. I haven't so far. Or are
> you saying that Hon. Hamat, having decried party-led coalition prior, and
> then to embrace an alliance with the UDP (which is a party-led alliance, NOT
> a party-led COALITION) therefore Hon. Hamat is liable to change his mind
> from time to time and therefore he may not be reliable?????????????????????
> Well Demba let's assume the UDP-NRP alliance is a party-led COALITION for
> conversation sakes. Then the two positions of Hon. Hamat are starkly
> contradictory. I submit to you that Hon. Hamat is right to change his mind
> at any time he deems appropriate for the interest of NRP don't you suppose?
> Afterall NRP, like UDP, like GMC, Like ppp, like nadd, like PDOIS, is a
> POLITICAL PARTY where decisions for the ware of the party are made in
> consonance with the wishes of their constituencies. POLITICS is verily about
> repositioning and readjusting positions. I only went to this length because
> I think you sincerely believed that the UDP/NRP alliance was a
> COALITION. The difference is material. ANd the two parties called it an
> alliance named ARC. NOW NADD would have been a coalition if it were
> successful. What Hon. Hamat was saying was that he did not like the idea of
> one party subsuming the other parties which I agree with wholeheartedly.
> That has no bearing on the UDP/NRP alliance.
>
> [He was a no show when there were leadership nominations.] Demba.
>
> Demba I think Hon. Hamat was absent at the time because he had to attend to
> more grievous matter. And besides, there were representatives of NRP and
> Hon. Hamat had communicated his position to that body prior. Why would this
> be a reason for the UDP to be suspicious of Hon. Hamat? I think Demba
> you used inordinately strong words here and they are malignant as to Hon.
> Hamat. I suggest you apologise and if you still believe in what you are
> saying, to temper your counsel or its intended audience.
>
> [If he was there he would have seconded Darboe's nomination, or at the very
> least instruct Dullo Bah to second that nomination.] Demba.
>
> And what is wrong with that?????? Why would you then create distrust
> between the UDP and NRP in this manner Demba? Do you not think your counsel
> should go to another party that is not UDP?
>
> [So he was partly responsible for the confusion at the then NADD
> nomination.] Demba.
>
> Confusion did not play any role in the nadd disintegration, nomination, or
> other. Every single one of the partners in nadd knew exactly what they were
> doing. If they do not know what their partners were doing or what their
> partners' positions were, they should not have proceeded to the nomination
> phase until they are clear on the parameters of their negotiations. Wouldn't
> you say? Besides, none of the partners shared with us they were confused at
> any point in the nadd fiasco.
>
> [Also few weeks ago he came out and said they were not interested in any
> opposition unity, now he is attending UDP congress acting as an allied.]
> Demba.
>
> For the record, Hon. Hamat stated he was not interested in another
> coalition. He did not say he was not interested in any opposition unity. The
> two are markedly different. Opposition unity is a benign statement. For
> example, you could say you are interested in opposition unity but go about
> your singular business until such unity is appreciated. Besides, unity in
> purpose and demarche does not a coalition mean. Demba I'm having trouble
> understanding why you would issue such a counterproductive and insiduous
> counsel to the UDP. You seem to be groping for reason. Help us understand
> your reasoning please.
>
> [Many people have questioned the relationship between NADD, PDOIS, PPP and
> NDAM? Why are we not questioning the relationship between UDP and NRP?]
> Demba.
>
> The relationship between UDP and NRP is colegial and healthy. Do you have
> other questions regarding that relationship Demba? And when you receive an
> answer from NRP officials and UDP officials, will you believe their answers
> to your queries of them? WHy would you having questions about the
> relationship between UDP and NRP degenerate into inuring distrust among the
> coleagues Demba?
>
> [Hamat to me is acting like a spoiler just like Waa Juwara did in NADD.]
> Demba.
>
> Well that is opinion Demba. And it is yours. No one can take that away from
> you. I guess what I don't understand is why your opinion of Hon. Hamat
> should be significant to the UDP?
>
> [He acts prominent when the NRP is pretty much a one man or two man
> party...] Demba.
>
> Hon. Hamat is a prominent and an extraordinary leader of an opposition
> party in Gambia Demba. His prominence is no cause for concern or suspicion
> for the UDP. Or should it be? Yourself, you are a prominent member of our
> community. Is that reason for your fellow community members to distrust you
> or be suspicious of you?
>
> [I have reservations about a politician like him...] Demba.
>
> We understand that Demba. You have shared as much with us. But why should
> the UDP also have reservations about Hon. Hamat simply because Demba woke up
> on the wrong side of his bed one day??? I don't get it.
>
> [besides what measure does NRP has to gauge its size....?] Demba.
>
> Did you ask the NRP??? WIll you be willing to go on the campaign trail with
> Hon. Hamat to verify for yourself?
>
> [The tribal card played during 2006 is non existence...] Demba.
>
> What tribal card? You care to share with us what you mean Demba? And why
> should that be reason for the UDP to be suspicious of Hon. Hamat if your
> story is to be believed?
>
> [as far as am concern... NRP is as small as GMC, NDAM or PDOIS.... ] Demba.
>
> Ok. This still is your opinion not based on fact. If it is based on fact,
> would you share those facts with us? And why would the size of NRP be reason
> for the UDP to be suspicious of NRP and Hon. Hamat???
>
> [Gambians should never allow themselves to be used by these so called
> politicians...] Demba.
>
> RIght. So we should allow ourselves to be used by Demba instead!!!! Allahu
> Wakubaru Demba. You are disappointing me my man.
>
> [So what we need is serious people who are willing to work towards unity
> not acting as a big man...] Demba.
>
> I see. You want serious people who act like small men. WHere are the women
> in your equation Demba. And who is this we that needs serious clowns?
>
> [individually they are all zip and just wasting time period!!!] Demba.
>
> Well if they are all zip, how do you know who should watch whom Demba. You
> are the most confusing man I have ever met Demba. What??? I hope you had a
> good reason to malign the character of Hon. Hamat in this manner.
>
> Haruna.
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:52 AM, UDP United Kingdom <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Ms Sukuna,
>>
>> Thanks for your comments. However, I think Hon. Bah has actually
>> demonstrated how his party platform compliments that of the UDP and verse
>> versa when he talked about an alliance between the two parties whenever
>> necessary. Whatever you may think of his ‘shut-up’ comment which I believe
>> is fitting, the refusal of other opposition leaders to honour UDP’s
>> invitation to grace the Soma Congress is more damaging to the prospect of
>> opposition unity than Hon. Bah's 'shut-up' comment. So please get over it
>> and carry on with the good work you are doing for the Save The Gambia
>> Democracy Project.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Daffeh
>>
>>
>> On 14/06/2010, Halima Sukuna <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mr. Daffeh,
>>>
>>> I understand he was an invited guest but, he could have been plugging how
>>> his party's platform compliments the UDP's while praising the UDP and both
>>> would have benefited without even having to mention a thing about the other
>>> parties who for reasons, best known to them, did not attend. In fact, he
>>> didn't even mention the name or names of the parties he was referring to
>>> which to me is even more of a disrespectful move on this part. I understand
>>> being direct but, I believe there is an art to it that gets your message
>>> across without demeaning the integrity of the other parties and the people
>>> that they represent.
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing your perspective,
>>> Chris
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]>
>>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>>> *Sent:* Mon, June 14, 2010 4:22:08 AM
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: Hamat Bah at the UDP Congress
>>>
>>> This was not an occasion for Hon. Bah to educate folks on his party
>>> programmes as it was not an NRP platform. He was an invited guest, and he
>>> certainly rose up to the occasion with that fitting speech.
>>>
>>> As for the shut-up comment, I think sometimes it is necessary that
>>> leaders are blunt and speak the hard truth even to the disliking of their
>>> own supporters. If the leaders of the small parties had honoured the
>>> invitation extended to them by the UDP and grace the occasion, they would
>>> have had the opportunity to respond to Mr. Bah’s comment. The fact that
>>> among all the party leaders, only Mr. Bah honoured UDP's invitation shows
>>> that he is more interested in the unity you alluded to than those you seek
>>> to defend here.
>>> Kind regards
>>> Daffeh
>>>
>>> On 14 June 2010 09:43, Halima Sukuna <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "According to the former Upper Saloum strong Parliamentarian, those
>>>> “small parties” which are making noise should “shut up their mouths” as they
>>>> don't even pulled 3% of the votes in the past elections. He said the UDP
>>>> captures over 42% of the votes, and that such a landmark voter
>>>> achievement on the side of the UDP, had proven the said parties wrong
>>>> following the collapse of the opposition merger." and my personal
>>>> favorite after uttering the above. ""He finally called on the UDP
>>>> supporters to be law abiding and *always promote unity*, peace,
>>>> tolerance and *unity in the country*: (Bolded for emphasis.)
>>>>
>>>> NRP-National *Reconciliation* Party. Rather an ironic name for a
>>>> party whose leader makes statements like the first one mentioned above
>>>> against fellow parties in the struggle to liberate a country. I think there
>>>> should be a disclaimer following the party name if the above statement
>>>> accurately depicts the feeling of all members of the party. To me, a true
>>>> leader, one with the heart and soul bent on moving a country forward would
>>>> not spend a minute trying to downtroaden "smaller parties" who also are in
>>>> the struggle but, would efficiently try to discuss with their readers how
>>>> their party can *contribute to improving the 42% vote against the
>>>> current regime*. 42%, while significant won't suffice and with
>>>> elections not too far off, perhaps educating folks on your parties plans
>>>> might carry more weight than taking unnecessary swipes at other parties.
>>>>
>>>> Mr. Bah may want to re-strategize his tactics and take his own advise to
>>>> heart first before asking others to do what he seemingly has difficulty
>>>> doing himself.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>>>> *Sent:* Sun, June 13, 2010 5:16:50 PM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Hamat Bah at the UDP Congress
>>>>
>>>> Allahu Wakubaru. Integrity and pragmatism displayed so exquisitely. I
>>>> commend Hon. Hamat Bah for accepting the invitation of the UDP to grace the
>>>> latter's congress. Like Hon. Cellou Dalein Diallo of Hon. Sidya Touray,
>>>> there is no better amicus than the one emanating from your peers.
>>>>
>>>> I continue to encourage the NRP leadership to be more vigilant in
>>>> disseminating the message of this wonderful leader during his campaigns and
>>>> I encourage UDP to set up an Inter-party Liaison committee so that their
>>>> synergies can be more efficiently brought to bear. This inter-party Liaison
>>>> committee comprising now of UDP and NRP grassroots organisers should be in
>>>> continuous conversation with GMC, ppp, nadd, and PDOIS for possible
>>>> amalgamation of efforts, and must be able to accommodate a full union
>>>> between any two, three, four, or all constituent parties.
>>>>
>>>> I encourage Dullo Bah and NRP leaders in the Diaspora to join us here at
>>>> Ellen to share their party and her program of activities with us. I am
>>>> confident that NRP or the UDP can become Gambia's governance party at any
>>>> moment. Therefore, it will only be proper to prepare yourselves for this
>>>> prospective governance.
>>>>
>>>> I hail Hon. Hamt Bah, Hon. Ousainou Darboe, and their party rank and
>>>> file and they have my prayer and support until election time. And this is
>>>> whether they contest any election together or singularly.
>>>>
>>>> Its a great day for Gambia.
>>>> Haruna.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: UDP United Kingdom <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:54 am
>>>> Subject: Hamat Bah at the UDP Congress
>>>>
>>>> Breaking News: Gambia: Darboe Is A True Son Of The Gambia—Says Hamat
>>>> Bah
>>>> Darboe Is A True Son Of The Gambia—Says Hamat Bah
>>>> SMALL PARTIES MAKING NOISE SHOULD “SHUT UP.”—HAMAT BAH
>>>> By Staff Reporter Bakary Gibba, Soma
>>>> The Party Leader and Secretary General of The National Reconciliation
>>>> Party (NRP’S) Hamat NK Bah, has described the UDP Leader Lawyer Ousainou
>>>> Darboe as a “true and devoted son” of The Gambia, who has sacrificed his
>>>> life for the betterment of the country. Mr. Bah was speaking Saturday June
>>>> 12th 2010 at the UDP National Congress in Jarra Soma Lower River Region
>>>> (LRR). He said the “simple reason” for his alliance with the UDP was to
>>>> unseat the APR Government and restore true democracy and the rule of law in
>>>> The Gambia—emphasizing that in order for any credible alliance to take
>>>> place, the minority parties must join the majority, explaining that
>>>> this was the reason why he reached an opposition merger with the UDP.
>>>> "We agreed to partner for three elections that is the presidential,
>>>> parliamentary and the local government elections, which were all
>>>> successfully held. Am now going with my normal political activities as i
>>>> planned to tour the whole of the Upper Saloum Constituency,” he said but
>>>> was quick to add that he would not hesitate to form an alliance with the UDP
>>>> again whenever the need arises.
>>>> According to the former Upper Saloum strong Parliamentarian, those
>>>> “small parties” which are making noise should “shut up their mouths” as they
>>>> don't even pulled 3% of the votes in the past elections. He said the UDP
>>>> captures over 42% of the votes, and that such a landmark voter
>>>> achievement on the side of the UDP, had proven the said parties wrong
>>>> following the collapse of the opposition merger.
>>>> Bah who has just returned from an overseas trip told the UDP supporters
>>>> to remain steadfast and rally behind their leader Lawyer Ousainanou Darboe.
>>>> He said despite the short notice, upon receipt of the invitation to grace
>>>> the UDP Congress, he had to travel to Soma to join his colleagues in
>>>> gracing the Congress.
>>>> Mr. Bah said like the UDP, his party is equally committed to the
>>>> restoration of democracy, and rule of law in The Gambia. He said the UDP is
>>>> the biggest opposition party in the country, and all other political parties
>>>> should team up with the UDP to dislodge the APRC administration from power.
>>>> Ousainou Darboe, according to Hamat Bah, is a “sincere and honest guy”
>>>> who has devoted all his time for Gambia since 1994 and had stood for the
>>>> country’s liberation from self perpetual rule. He said UDP supporters
>>>> should be proud of Lawyer Darboe—describing him as a true son of this
>>>> country—whose legacy is here to stay. He said Darboe is a good role model
>>>> who should be emulated by our kids and grand kids.
>>>> He finally called on the UDP supporters to be law abiding and always
>>>> promote unity, peace, tolerance and unity in the country
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 (Archive on Friday, July 30, 2010)
>>>> Posted by PNMBAI Contributed by PNMBAI
>>>> Return<http://www.freedomnewspaper.com/Homepage/tabid/36/Default.aspx>
>>>> www.freedomnewspaper.com
>>>>
>>>> Daffeh
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