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Burama Jammeh <[log in to unmask]>
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AbdouKarim

Good contributions. I'm not familiar with those studies but good to
know/learn.

Looking forward to more from you.

Regards

Burama

On Friday, May 30, 2014, abdoukarim sanneh <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Burama
> I am at work but will reply to you aggregate variables of mismanagement
> and poverty.  You are out firing your guns. Your variables dies not fit a
> statistical test because you neglected international political
> economy.  Your discourse is local and that is the blame game mismanagement.
> Burama we are resource  poor country we have wider issues of public
> administration beyond the mismanagement.  Issues  of public mismanagement
> is not only putting in place legalise instructions of public administration
> but enforcement of the rule.  Burama we are poor because international
> political economic factors and its drivers. Problematisation of poverty and
> dependence theory from walter Rodney and post development thoeorisation
> Escorbar should have help us how we look at our problems.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 07:32:20 -0400
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: What's Our Make-up & How Was/Is It Managed
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> AbdouKarim
>
> I didn't reference any publication. I did cited some sources of the
> numbers - not all of them.
>
> In fact my original question is not about population but given what the
> country had as resources including human capital - are we poor and/or
> mismanaged.
>
> You picked the angle that interest you or assumed what I/we are alluding
> to. I used we because Demba shared.
>
> Mind is more political factors (choices made by our governments) than
> anything else.
>
> Regardless increase in population on a finite resources means reduction
> either in quality or quantity or both. That's an establish fact - not an
> unproven theory or opinion.
>
> Burama
>
> On Friday, May 30, 2014, abdoukarim sanneh <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Burama
> I am not downplaying factor in resource utilisation. It is the publication
> that you reference that are giving us the only dominant narrative framing
> of population growth nexus natural resources causation. It becomes the only
> acceptable hypothesis. The resulting factor such as poverty international
> political economic power and power relation of resource use and control id
> always negated.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 07:05:46 -0400
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: What's Our Make-up & How Was/Is It Managed
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> AbdouKarim
>
> You may have a point and am not disputing.
>
> Regardless increasing demand of any resources means scarcity. Population
> is one of the variables that with any increase will reduce either quality
> or quantity of a said resource. I have not seen a study that puts every
> blame of land degradation on population but surely a factor.
>
> Yes we are agrarian. Isn't that people in need of land for food production
> - hence more/faster depletion. As humans we can change from agrarian and/or
> improve on techniques. Isn't that management?
>
> International trade and debt, especially debt servicing for The Gambia is
> a problem. Again proper and inform management should ameliorate some of
> those problems. On the flip side trade is not only good but important.
>
> Fair trade is more a political phenomenon than it's economic. In economics
> trade is anchored on comparative advantage theorem.
>
> Unless you totally exclude and/or downplay the role of population
> increase we are in agreement.
>
> Regards
>
> Burama
>
> On Friday, May 30, 2014, abdoukarim sanneh <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Burama
> That is neomalthusian narrative. Population growth is always use as the
> cause and the results factor is negated. The results to resource
> degradation is beyond demographic narrative of population growth. We are an
> agrarian economy and so depend on natural resources for livelihoods.
> Poverty nexus land degradation is was negligent and population growth
> always take a center stage and becomes the dominant thesis.  Do you look
> into international political economic issues such debt and its impact on
> mortgaging our natural resources in servicing debtors.  Lack of fair trade
> and it's association poverty natural resources uses etc.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 05:23:42 -0400
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: What's Our Make-up & How Was/Is It Managed
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Abdoukarim
>
> Gambia is considered one of the overcrowded nation by all estimators
> including WHO’s
>
> Having 1.7million on about 11000 sq. km = 155 people/sq. km. Considering
> not all of the 11K is not land - some water, some forest, roads, etc is
> highly dense.
>
> Gambia at one time (some times in the 90s) used to be the fasted growing
> in the sub region. Not only due to natural birth but also the subregional
> conflicts contributed to that trench
>
> Estimates (WHO 2010) - 55% are living in the urban area - that means we
> are not symmetrically spread over the nation.
>
> Multi- factors contributed to resources degradation (resources in the
> broader sense) - some natural and o
>
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