> Bullshit Mr.Jungle sunrise.
> 
> Your misquoting on Dampha is baseless,You are really an oppotunist
> as well as Yahya Jammeh,and you have no room to amaze anyone.No
> suprise you bandits are getting paranoid and for sure the count down
> is close.We are not seeking any redemption from anyone but to call on 
> every political forces in Gambia with one goal to flush Jammeh and his
> military men out.Dampha is well understood in this forum you must be 
> stoned not to face the political and economic hardship in the Gambia.Who
> cares your predictions for Jammeh,You must be blind or foolish to lecture
> us the crimes Jammeh's rule has done to our people.Jawara might fail us in 
> many aspects but led us to our freedom as a republic and not a murderer
> like Jammeh.Perhaps you were sleeping when our young school lads were
> gun down april 10&11-2000.Dampha  is right the final nail has just been
> registered on Yahya's coffin.Bro Gassa give us a break and stop defending
> your boss on no grounds.
> 
> Fye  Samateh.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jungle Sunrise" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: FWD:Jawara's Lost Opportunity


> Dampha,
> You never cease to amaze me. Are you for real? You wrote:
> 
> "Hamat Bah, like most Gambians does NOT want a return to pre-1994. Hamat
> Bah's comments just echo the sentiments of most Gambians".
> 
> If most Gambians don't want to return to pre-1994, why do you people seek to
> get any redemption from the pre-1994 politicians? What can they offer the
> Gambian people that they could not deliver in more than three decades. You
> see your twisted logic at work again. Gambians here are saying NO to
> backwardsness, corruption, nepotism and downright mis-rule.
> 
> Again rather than carefully reading what I wrote you try to twist it around.
> Dampha this is what Jawara himself said that he is WILLING TO LEAD AN
> OPPOSITION ALLIANCE IF THEY SO DESIRE. It seems that you are the only one on
> this forum who does not understand what that means. Please note that as far
> as I am concerned it does not matter who you or your cohorts desire to lead
> an opposition alliance. What I want you to understand is tha there WILL BE
> NO EFFECTIVE OPPOSITION FORCE against the president come the elections.
> Alliance or no alliance, this elections have already been won. This is
> because the majority of Gambians are not sleeping any more. We want a
> leadership with a vision for the betterment of the country and not a
> leadership of spent forces whose only motive is to bring about chaos and
> revenge for imaginary crimes that they themselves have nobody to blame for
> except themselves. We want an honest leadership capable of doing what is
> best for the country. We don't want a leadership that thinks that all the
> development projects undertaken by this regime are white elephant projects.
> We don't want a leadership that suffers from ALES. We don't want a
> leadership that thinks we cannot afford to national radio let alone a
> national TV. We don't to go back to the days when people had to bribe
> headmasters/headmistresses to enable their kids make the transition beyond
> primary school.
> 
> Have a good day, Gassa.
> 
> >From: Dampha Kebba <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: FWD:Jawara's Lost Opportunity
> >Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:49:59 -0400
> >
> >Gassama, I hope your lies and double talk are becoming clearer to genuine
> >Opposition members that were perhaps bamboozled by your bogus political
> >punditry. What is the difference between saying that Jawara wants to lead
> >the Opposition Alliance and saying that he wants to be the Opposition
> >Presidential candidate? You were again caught with your pants down. You
> >know
> >you are lying about the former president. He NEVER said that he wanted to
> >lead an Opposition Alliance (using your preferred terminology). He said he
> >was interested and honored in leading the PPP (NOT the Opposition Alliance;
> >BIG difference). You planted this lie on G_L so that people can attack
> >Jawara. I hope you now realize that your games will backfire on you.
> >
> >From day one all you sought to do was lie about Decree 89 politicians'
> >aspirations. You dubiously twinned UDP with NCP and NRP with PPP. When we
> >pointed out the absurdity and double talk in that gimmickry, you sought
> >other avenues to continue to spin your way out of this disastrous situation
> >for Yaya; i.e. 'repeal' of Decree 89. I told you from the onset that this
> >was another nail in Yaya's coffin. The only reason I am wasting time with
> >you engaging you in your lies is that I do NOT want you to poison the minds
> >of genuine Opposition members that might be tempted to engage in Jawara
> >bashing. Otherwise, I would ignore you because I know only fools will
> >believe you when you say that 'repealing' Decree 89 is to Yaya's benefit.
> >You still have not answered the question why you are wasting time attacking
> >Jawara if you were convinced that he was a liability to the Opposition. You
> >all know that the man can only spell doom for Yaya. The people that were
> >affected by Decree 89 that wanted to join APRC have already done so; the
> >Buba Baldehs. Now we are only dealing with die-heart opposition to Yaya.
> >Challenge for us in the Opposition is to bring these people under one
> >umbrella. No one is talking about people going to APRC. So, how can the
> >'repeal' of this Decree benefit Yaya?
> >
> >To answer other parts of your piece. No! it is NOT strange to me that PPP
> >politicians like OJ are NOT coming out to address your lies. They know they
> >do NOT intend to field a presidential candidate. OJ had a press conference
> >where everyone was free to ask him any question. In that conference, did he
> >say that he wanted to field a presidential candidate for PPP? So why should
> >he come out now to address lies and rumors from people like you? Let me
> >refresh your memory with a quote from OJ's press conference which you
> >yourself posted to G_L. "O.J. appealed to the former PPP supporters and
> >sympathisers to return to the party so that IN COLLABORATION WITH OTHER
> >political parties they could bring back "sanity into Gambian politics."
> >Emphasis mine.
> >
> >Now, are these the words of someone that wants to go it alone? In that same
> >report, OJ categorically said that it was LATE for PPP to start thinking of
> >fielding a candidate in October. How on earth can you now twist this man's
> >statements and say that they want to join the Opposition Alliance to lead
> >it? Don't you think these people are aware of constitutional provisions
> >imposing an age limit on who can run for the presidency? Leading this
> >Coalition means being its presidential candidate. How can Jawara lead the
> >Coalition if he is not going to be the presidential candidate?
> >
> >Reports that people like Shyngle Nyassi are talking to people like OJ is a
> >great sign for the Opposition. Shows that these people got their eyes on
> >the
> >ball. They are willing to come together to fight the menace in our society.
> >Sheriff Dibba is also talking to Assan Musa Camara. Gassama, the writing is
> >on the wall. Take off your blinkers and see straight. What you have here is
> >people that recognize that minor differences should be set aside to get rid
> >of the child murderer in our midst. Hamat Bah, like most Gambians does NOT
> >want a return to pre-1994. Hamat Bah's comments just echo the sentiments of
> >most Gambians. We want one of our current leaders to lead us to a Gambia we
> >have NEVER seen before. You will soon hear PPP, NCP, GPP pledge their
> >unconditional support to a presidential candidate to be fielded from the
> >current Opposition. Mark my words. These politicians are NOT stupid. They
> >know when they are banned by the laws. They also know when political
> >expediency does NOT permit them to launch a presidential campaign. They
> >also
> >know that the next president will be better for the PPP, NCP, GPP and the
> >whole country; far better than the thief you support.
> >
> >Finally, I caution you to quit misquoting people and newspapers. Some of
> >your utterances are actionable for libel. I don't know whether you realize
> >that if you deliberately lie about OJ or Jawara or the Independent, they
> >can
> >sue you in court.
> >KB
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: Jungle Sunrise <[log in to unmask]>
> >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >><[log in to unmask]>
> >>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>Subject: Re: FWD:Jawara's Lost Opportunity
> >>Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:09:57 +0000
> >>
> >>Dampha,
> >>
> >>I have never said that Jawara wanted to come back and be a presidential
> >>candidate. What I said is that he (Jawara) clearly stated that "he is
> >>willing to lead an opposition alliance IF THE OPPOSITION SO DESIRES". Now
> >>refer me to any posting in which I said that Jawara wanted to be a
> >>presidential candidate. For your information, even Hamat Bah was quoted as
> >>saying that the Gambian people will not accept return to the old system as
> >>it would inevitably lead to them (the PPP) wanting revenge and this may
> >>destabilize the country. Isn't it strange to you, that to date, no member
> >>of
> >>the PPP has tried to clarify this issue? Are we all cuckoo in thinking
> >>that
> >>the PPP wants a leading role in an opposition alliance, when they claim
> >>that
> >>all their structures are in place and that the PPP will soon be regaining
> >>its former glorry? Isn't it strange that they are urging their former
> >>supporters to come back to the party and give it their support? What is
> >>your
> >>interpretation of Shygle Nyassi's membership of the interim committee of
> >>the
> >>PPP? My friend, the oppostion, with the exception PDOIS, are in a
> >>dis-array
> >>and you know it. No matter whatever you wish for, I still stand by my
> >>prediction that Yahya will win come October. By the way, do you know that
> >>a
> >>former national mobiliser for the PPP, Bakary Santang Bojang, is now the
> >>APRC regional mobiliser for the APRC in Brikama? I await your response.
> >>
> >>have a good day, Gassa.
> >>
> >>>From: Dampha Kebba <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >>><[log in to unmask]>
> >>>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>Subject: Re: FWD:Jawara's Lost Opportunity
> >>>Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:00:17 -0400
> >>>
> >>>Gassama, I indulged you and reread the Independent piece but still could
> >>>not
> >>>figure out the point you are trying to make. What is your point again?
> >>>That
> >>>Jawara is a liability to the Opposition? Then encourage him to come back
> >>>and
> >>>lose the Opposition some votes. Clearly, Yankuba Touray does NOT think
> >>>that
> >>>Jawara is a liability to the Opposition. Otherwise, Touray would not be
> >>>terrified and start threatening the ex-president.
> >>>
> >>>When I read the Independent piece earlier on and again when I reread it
> >>>this
> >>>morning, what I saw was a good case made against a Jawara presidency. But
> >>>what has been mind-boggling to me all these days reading and hearing
> >>>various
> >>>arguments made against a Jawara presidency, is that I just cannot believe
> >>>how certain people will engage in this exercise in futility. With all due
> >>>respect to the Independent (a Paper I hold in very high regard because of
> >>>the invaluable services they are rendering to the Gambian public), I
> >>>think
> >>>they got carried away by the shenanigans of the APRC propaganda. Now, it
> >>>is
> >>>in APRC's interest that we make Jawara the topic of conversation and
> >>>forget
> >>>for a moment about Yaya's horrendous record. It is in the APRC's interest
> >>>that certain people in the current Opposition be lured into saying
> >>>certain
> >>>things to demean the Jawara record. It is in the APRC's interest that
> >>>when
> >>>certain things are said to the PPP stalwarts, those PPP supporters will
> >>>NOT
> >>>support the Opposition. So, how does the APRC get the Opposition to have
> >>>a
> >>>field day on Jawara and jeopardize the chances of having PPP firmly in
> >>>the
> >>>Opposition? APRC propagandists lie about Jawara saying that the man wants
> >>>to
> >>>return and lead the Opposition. The calculation is that once this is
> >>>done,
> >>>the current Opposition will make anti-Jawara utterances that will
> >>>discourage
> >>>the man and his supporters from supporting the current Opposition. Simple
> >>>as
> >>>that.
> >>>
> >>>I reiterate that these are nothing but vicious and blatant lies. I told
> >>>you
> >>>Gassama that you lied about both OJ and Jawara. You NEVER came back to
> >>>say
> >>>that you were telling the truth when you said that these people wanted to
> >>>lead the Opposition. OJ NEVER said that. Jawara also NEVER said that.
> >>>Matter
> >>>of fact, these politicians expressed sentiments that are totally opposed
> >>>to
> >>>what you Gassama have said. Every Gambian that knows anything about
> >>>today's
> >>>Gambian politics and that is honest to himself, knows that there is
> >>>ABSOLUTELY no way that Jawara can contest this election as a presidential
> >>>candidate. For crying out loud, now what is the point in writing an
> >>>article
> >>>about why Jawara should NOT be a president? This is like arguing during
> >>>the
> >>>American presidential elections that Ronald Reagan should NOT be the
> >>>presidential candidate as opposed to George Bush Jr. It is absurd. This
> >>>is
> >>>a
> >>>non-issue. The man has NEVER said he wanted to be a presidential
> >>>candidate.
> >>>The law STILL prohibits him from running. He is politically dead as far
> >>>as
> >>>President 2001 is concerned. What paper will waste space arguing that
> >>>Pierre
> >>>Sarr Njie should NOT run in October 2001? Making a case against a Jawara
> >>>presidency in October 2001 is an exercise in gross futility.
> >>>
> >>>Now, let us use our heads to analyze exactly what the PPP people are
> >>>saying.
> >>>I am relying here on what I heard and read on BBC and also the various
> >>>reports in Gambian newspapers about the press conference at OJ's. PPP
> >>>wants
> >>>to come back to the political scene. They choose as their leader someone
> >>>that CANNOT run in October as a presidential candidate. Right there that
> >>>is
> >>>a signal to the current Opposition that PPP is NOT looking to field a
> >>>presidential candidate. Their leader (Jawara, who in my opinion is just a
> >>>figure-head as far as October is concerned), instructed those on the
> >>>ground
> >>>to negotiate with the Opposition to mount a united front against Yaya.
> >>>Yet
> >>>another signal that these people want to play ball with the current
> >>>Opposition. The de facto leader of the Party (OJ) held an open press
> >>>conference in the country. NO Paper reported that OJ SAID that he wanted
> >>>to
> >>>run as a presidential candidate or that the PPP wanted to field a
> >>>presidential candidate in October. NO PAPER whatsoever. Apart from the
> >>>lies
> >>>from the likes of Gassama, no one can tell you that PPP wants to lead an
> >>>Opposition Alliance. So, why fall into the APRC trap and start engaging
> >>>in
> >>>PPP bashing?
> >>>
> >>>I reiterate that this theorizing (arguing against a presidency that will
> >>>NEVER happen) only helps the APRC. What it does is alienate potential
> >>>Opposition supporters. Even if the only support Jawara had was 100
> >>>supporters from Barrajali, let us try and get those people to vote for
> >>>the
> >>>Opposition instead of the APRC. The Opposition will NOT get those votes
> >>>by
> >>>making a case against Jawara that need NOT be made. The man is NOT
> >>>running
> >>>for anything. Why argue that he should NOT be president? Why argue that
> >>>Gambia should NOT win the World Cup? We are NOT going. But this argument
> >>>against Jawara is NOT just irrelevant, it is going to lose the Opposition
> >>>some votes. What is more disturbing is that we have Opposition members
> >>>doing
> >>>APRC's dirty job for them. This was the ideal time for the current
> >>>Opposition to kick back and let APRC and PPP argue about their respective
> >>>records. But no. Some Opposition members will rather jump in on the side
> >>>of
> >>>APRC and bash PPP just to appear to be righteous and fair. Well, let us
> >>>all
> >>>be ready to be accountable for our actions. I would have thought that
> >>>politically conscious Gambians living in the U.S. would have at least
> >>>learnt
> >>>from the Ralph Nader debacle from the last U.S. presidential elections.
> >>>Nader's misguided self-righteousness ended up putting in the White House
> >>>some one far more hostile to Nader's cause than he could have imagined.
> >>>Now
> >>>the question is, are we going to be pragmatic and canvass for as many
> >>>votes
> >>>as we can get or are we going to be blinded by hatred for one man
> >>>(Jawara)
> >>>to the extent that we are prepared to unleash a child murderer on our
> >>>people?
> >>>
> >>>Using a false premise (Jawara presidency in October 2001) to attack the
> >>>man,
> >>>is NOT only intellectually dishonest, it is politically suicidal. I
> >>>sincerely hope that the leaders on the ground have their priorities
> >>>right.
> >>>I
> >>>hope that they will NOT waste time making a case against a Jawara
> >>>presidency. That is NOT on the cards. I hope our leaders will NOT be
> >>>lured
> >>>into this absurdity of trying to bash PPP in order to preempt a Jawara
> >>>presidency. I am encouraged by the maturity leaders like OJ, Hamat Bah
> >>>and
> >>>Waa Juwara (the only leaders I have read their comments) are approaching
> >>>this issue. We in the Opposition should avoid unwittingly justifying the
> >>>July 1994 'coup'. The people that staged the 'coup' CANNOT even justify
> >>>their case. Why should we (that wants the PPP supporters) now make the
> >>>APRC
> >>>case for APRC? I am yet to hear one coherent argument making a case
> >>>against
> >>>the Opposition canvassing PPP supporters. All I hear is arguments against
> >>>a
> >>>non-issue (a Jawara presidency).
> >>>KB
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>From: Jungle Sunrise <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >>>><[log in to unmask]>
> >>>>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>>Subject: Re: FWD:Jawara's Lost Opportunity
> >>>>Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:37:13 +0000
> >>>>
> >>>>Dampha, Hamjatta and co.
> >>>>
> >>>>Please take note of these developments. Do not say I did not warn you.
> >>>>
> >>>>Have a good day, Gassa.
> >>>>
> >>>
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