> Bullshit Mr.Jungle sunrise. > > Your misquoting on Dampha is baseless,You are really an oppotunist > as well as Yahya Jammeh,and you have no room to amaze anyone.No > suprise you bandits are getting paranoid and for sure the count down > is close.We are not seeking any redemption from anyone but to call on > every political forces in Gambia with one goal to flush Jammeh and his > military men out.Dampha is well understood in this forum you must be > stoned not to face the political and economic hardship in the Gambia.Who > cares your predictions for Jammeh,You must be blind or foolish to lecture > us the crimes Jammeh's rule has done to our people.Jawara might fail us in > many aspects but led us to our freedom as a republic and not a murderer > like Jammeh.Perhaps you were sleeping when our young school lads were > gun down april 10&11-2000.Dampha is right the final nail has just been > registered on Yahya's coffin.Bro Gassa give us a break and stop defending > your boss on no grounds. > > Fye Samateh. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jungle Sunrise" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:32 PM Subject: Re: FWD:Jawara's Lost Opportunity > Dampha, > You never cease to amaze me. Are you for real? You wrote: > > "Hamat Bah, like most Gambians does NOT want a return to pre-1994. Hamat > Bah's comments just echo the sentiments of most Gambians". > > If most Gambians don't want to return to pre-1994, why do you people seek to > get any redemption from the pre-1994 politicians? What can they offer the > Gambian people that they could not deliver in more than three decades. You > see your twisted logic at work again. Gambians here are saying NO to > backwardsness, corruption, nepotism and downright mis-rule. > > Again rather than carefully reading what I wrote you try to twist it around. > Dampha this is what Jawara himself said that he is WILLING TO LEAD AN > OPPOSITION ALLIANCE IF THEY SO DESIRE. It seems that you are the only one on > this forum who does not understand what that means. Please note that as far > as I am concerned it does not matter who you or your cohorts desire to lead > an opposition alliance. What I want you to understand is tha there WILL BE > NO EFFECTIVE OPPOSITION FORCE against the president come the elections. > Alliance or no alliance, this elections have already been won. This is > because the majority of Gambians are not sleeping any more. We want a > leadership with a vision for the betterment of the country and not a > leadership of spent forces whose only motive is to bring about chaos and > revenge for imaginary crimes that they themselves have nobody to blame for > except themselves. We want an honest leadership capable of doing what is > best for the country. We don't want a leadership that thinks that all the > development projects undertaken by this regime are white elephant projects. > We don't want a leadership that suffers from ALES. We don't want a > leadership that thinks we cannot afford to national radio let alone a > national TV. We don't to go back to the days when people had to bribe > headmasters/headmistresses to enable their kids make the transition beyond > primary school. > > Have a good day, Gassa. > > >From: Dampha Kebba <[log in to unmask]> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list > ><[log in to unmask]> > >To: [log in to unmask] > >Subject: Re: FWD:Jawara's Lost Opportunity > >Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:49:59 -0400 > > > >Gassama, I hope your lies and double talk are becoming clearer to genuine > >Opposition members that were perhaps bamboozled by your bogus political > >punditry. What is the difference between saying that Jawara wants to lead > >the Opposition Alliance and saying that he wants to be the Opposition > >Presidential candidate? You were again caught with your pants down. You > >know > >you are lying about the former president. He NEVER said that he wanted to > >lead an Opposition Alliance (using your preferred terminology). He said he > >was interested and honored in leading the PPP (NOT the Opposition Alliance; > >BIG difference). You planted this lie on G_L so that people can attack > >Jawara. I hope you now realize that your games will backfire on you. > > > >From day one all you sought to do was lie about Decree 89 politicians' > >aspirations. You dubiously twinned UDP with NCP and NRP with PPP. When we > >pointed out the absurdity and double talk in that gimmickry, you sought > >other avenues to continue to spin your way out of this disastrous situation > >for Yaya; i.e. 'repeal' of Decree 89. I told you from the onset that this > >was another nail in Yaya's coffin. The only reason I am wasting time with > >you engaging you in your lies is that I do NOT want you to poison the minds > >of genuine Opposition members that might be tempted to engage in Jawara > >bashing. Otherwise, I would ignore you because I know only fools will > >believe you when you say that 'repealing' Decree 89 is to Yaya's benefit. > >You still have not answered the question why you are wasting time attacking > >Jawara if you were convinced that he was a liability to the Opposition. You > >all know that the man can only spell doom for Yaya. The people that were > >affected by Decree 89 that wanted to join APRC have already done so; the > >Buba Baldehs. Now we are only dealing with die-heart opposition to Yaya. > >Challenge for us in the Opposition is to bring these people under one > >umbrella. No one is talking about people going to APRC. So, how can the > >'repeal' of this Decree benefit Yaya? > > > >To answer other parts of your piece. No! it is NOT strange to me that PPP > >politicians like OJ are NOT coming out to address your lies. They know they > >do NOT intend to field a presidential candidate. OJ had a press conference > >where everyone was free to ask him any question. In that conference, did he > >say that he wanted to field a presidential candidate for PPP? So why should > >he come out now to address lies and rumors from people like you? Let me > >refresh your memory with a quote from OJ's press conference which you > >yourself posted to G_L. "O.J. appealed to the former PPP supporters and > >sympathisers to return to the party so that IN COLLABORATION WITH OTHER > >political parties they could bring back "sanity into Gambian politics." > >Emphasis mine. > > > >Now, are these the words of someone that wants to go it alone? In that same > >report, OJ categorically said that it was LATE for PPP to start thinking of > >fielding a candidate in October. How on earth can you now twist this man's > >statements and say that they want to join the Opposition Alliance to lead > >it? Don't you think these people are aware of constitutional provisions > >imposing an age limit on who can run for the presidency? Leading this > >Coalition means being its presidential candidate. How can Jawara lead the > >Coalition if he is not going to be the presidential candidate? > > > >Reports that people like Shyngle Nyassi are talking to people like OJ is a > >great sign for the Opposition. Shows that these people got their eyes on > >the > >ball. They are willing to come together to fight the menace in our society. > >Sheriff Dibba is also talking to Assan Musa Camara. Gassama, the writing is > >on the wall. Take off your blinkers and see straight. What you have here is > >people that recognize that minor differences should be set aside to get rid > >of the child murderer in our midst. Hamat Bah, like most Gambians does NOT > >want a return to pre-1994. Hamat Bah's comments just echo the sentiments of > >most Gambians. We want one of our current leaders to lead us to a Gambia we > >have NEVER seen before. You will soon hear PPP, NCP, GPP pledge their > >unconditional support to a presidential candidate to be fielded from the > >current Opposition. Mark my words. These politicians are NOT stupid. They > >know when they are banned by the laws. They also know when political > >expediency does NOT permit them to launch a presidential campaign. They > >also > >know that the next president will be better for the PPP, NCP, GPP and the > >whole country; far better than the thief you support. > > > >Finally, I caution you to quit misquoting people and newspapers. Some of > >your utterances are actionable for libel. I don't know whether you realize > >that if you deliberately lie about OJ or Jawara or the Independent, they > >can > >sue you in court. > >KB > > > > > > > >>From: Jungle Sunrise <[log in to unmask]> > >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list > >><[log in to unmask]> > >>To: [log in to unmask] > >>Subject: Re: FWD:Jawara's Lost Opportunity > >>Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:09:57 +0000 > >> > >>Dampha, > >> > >>I have never said that Jawara wanted to come back and be a presidential > >>candidate. What I said is that he (Jawara) clearly stated that "he is > >>willing to lead an opposition alliance IF THE OPPOSITION SO DESIRES". Now > >>refer me to any posting in which I said that Jawara wanted to be a > >>presidential candidate. For your information, even Hamat Bah was quoted as > >>saying that the Gambian people will not accept return to the old system as > >>it would inevitably lead to them (the PPP) wanting revenge and this may > >>destabilize the country. Isn't it strange to you, that to date, no member > >>of > >>the PPP has tried to clarify this issue? Are we all cuckoo in thinking > >>that > >>the PPP wants a leading role in an opposition alliance, when they claim > >>that > >>all their structures are in place and that the PPP will soon be regaining > >>its former glorry? Isn't it strange that they are urging their former > >>supporters to come back to the party and give it their support? What is > >>your > >>interpretation of Shygle Nyassi's membership of the interim committee of > >>the > >>PPP? My friend, the oppostion, with the exception PDOIS, are in a > >>dis-array > >>and you know it. No matter whatever you wish for, I still stand by my > >>prediction that Yahya will win come October. By the way, do you know that > >>a > >>former national mobiliser for the PPP, Bakary Santang Bojang, is now the > >>APRC regional mobiliser for the APRC in Brikama? I await your response. > >> > >>have a good day, Gassa. > >> > >>>From: Dampha Kebba <[log in to unmask]> > >>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list > >>><[log in to unmask]> > >>>To: [log in to unmask] > >>>Subject: Re: FWD:Jawara's Lost Opportunity > >>>Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:00:17 -0400 > >>> > >>>Gassama, I indulged you and reread the Independent piece but still could > >>>not > >>>figure out the point you are trying to make. What is your point again? > >>>That > >>>Jawara is a liability to the Opposition? Then encourage him to come back > >>>and > >>>lose the Opposition some votes. Clearly, Yankuba Touray does NOT think > >>>that > >>>Jawara is a liability to the Opposition. Otherwise, Touray would not be > >>>terrified and start threatening the ex-president. > >>> > >>>When I read the Independent piece earlier on and again when I reread it > >>>this > >>>morning, what I saw was a good case made against a Jawara presidency. But > >>>what has been mind-boggling to me all these days reading and hearing > >>>various > >>>arguments made against a Jawara presidency, is that I just cannot believe > >>>how certain people will engage in this exercise in futility. With all due > >>>respect to the Independent (a Paper I hold in very high regard because of > >>>the invaluable services they are rendering to the Gambian public), I > >>>think > >>>they got carried away by the shenanigans of the APRC propaganda. Now, it > >>>is > >>>in APRC's interest that we make Jawara the topic of conversation and > >>>forget > >>>for a moment about Yaya's horrendous record. It is in the APRC's interest > >>>that certain people in the current Opposition be lured into saying > >>>certain > >>>things to demean the Jawara record. It is in the APRC's interest that > >>>when > >>>certain things are said to the PPP stalwarts, those PPP supporters will > >>>NOT > >>>support the Opposition. So, how does the APRC get the Opposition to have > >>>a > >>>field day on Jawara and jeopardize the chances of having PPP firmly in > >>>the > >>>Opposition? APRC propagandists lie about Jawara saying that the man wants > >>>to > >>>return and lead the Opposition. The calculation is that once this is > >>>done, > >>>the current Opposition will make anti-Jawara utterances that will > >>>discourage > >>>the man and his supporters from supporting the current Opposition. Simple > >>>as > >>>that. > >>> > >>>I reiterate that these are nothing but vicious and blatant lies. I told > >>>you > >>>Gassama that you lied about both OJ and Jawara. You NEVER came back to > >>>say > >>>that you were telling the truth when you said that these people wanted to > >>>lead the Opposition. OJ NEVER said that. Jawara also NEVER said that. > >>>Matter > >>>of fact, these politicians expressed sentiments that are totally opposed > >>>to > >>>what you Gassama have said. Every Gambian that knows anything about > >>>today's > >>>Gambian politics and that is honest to himself, knows that there is > >>>ABSOLUTELY no way that Jawara can contest this election as a presidential > >>>candidate. For crying out loud, now what is the point in writing an > >>>article > >>>about why Jawara should NOT be a president? This is like arguing during > >>>the > >>>American presidential elections that Ronald Reagan should NOT be the > >>>presidential candidate as opposed to George Bush Jr. It is absurd. This > >>>is > >>>a > >>>non-issue. The man has NEVER said he wanted to be a presidential > >>>candidate. > >>>The law STILL prohibits him from running. He is politically dead as far > >>>as > >>>President 2001 is concerned. What paper will waste space arguing that > >>>Pierre > >>>Sarr Njie should NOT run in October 2001? Making a case against a Jawara > >>>presidency in October 2001 is an exercise in gross futility. > >>> > >>>Now, let us use our heads to analyze exactly what the PPP people are > >>>saying. > >>>I am relying here on what I heard and read on BBC and also the various > >>>reports in Gambian newspapers about the press conference at OJ's. PPP > >>>wants > >>>to come back to the political scene. They choose as their leader someone > >>>that CANNOT run in October as a presidential candidate. Right there that > >>>is > >>>a signal to the current Opposition that PPP is NOT looking to field a > >>>presidential candidate. Their leader (Jawara, who in my opinion is just a > >>>figure-head as far as October is concerned), instructed those on the > >>>ground > >>>to negotiate with the Opposition to mount a united front against Yaya. > >>>Yet > >>>another signal that these people want to play ball with the current > >>>Opposition. The de facto leader of the Party (OJ) held an open press > >>>conference in the country. NO Paper reported that OJ SAID that he wanted > >>>to > >>>run as a presidential candidate or that the PPP wanted to field a > >>>presidential candidate in October. NO PAPER whatsoever. Apart from the > >>>lies > >>>from the likes of Gassama, no one can tell you that PPP wants to lead an > >>>Opposition Alliance. So, why fall into the APRC trap and start engaging > >>>in > >>>PPP bashing? > >>> > >>>I reiterate that this theorizing (arguing against a presidency that will > >>>NEVER happen) only helps the APRC. What it does is alienate potential > >>>Opposition supporters. Even if the only support Jawara had was 100 > >>>supporters from Barrajali, let us try and get those people to vote for > >>>the > >>>Opposition instead of the APRC. The Opposition will NOT get those votes > >>>by > >>>making a case against Jawara that need NOT be made. The man is NOT > >>>running > >>>for anything. Why argue that he should NOT be president? Why argue that > >>>Gambia should NOT win the World Cup? We are NOT going. But this argument > >>>against Jawara is NOT just irrelevant, it is going to lose the Opposition > >>>some votes. What is more disturbing is that we have Opposition members > >>>doing > >>>APRC's dirty job for them. This was the ideal time for the current > >>>Opposition to kick back and let APRC and PPP argue about their respective > >>>records. But no. Some Opposition members will rather jump in on the side > >>>of > >>>APRC and bash PPP just to appear to be righteous and fair. Well, let us > >>>all > >>>be ready to be accountable for our actions. I would have thought that > >>>politically conscious Gambians living in the U.S. would have at least > >>>learnt > >>>from the Ralph Nader debacle from the last U.S. presidential elections. > >>>Nader's misguided self-righteousness ended up putting in the White House > >>>some one far more hostile to Nader's cause than he could have imagined. > >>>Now > >>>the question is, are we going to be pragmatic and canvass for as many > >>>votes > >>>as we can get or are we going to be blinded by hatred for one man > >>>(Jawara) > >>>to the extent that we are prepared to unleash a child murderer on our > >>>people? > >>> > >>>Using a false premise (Jawara presidency in October 2001) to attack the > >>>man, > >>>is NOT only intellectually dishonest, it is politically suicidal. I > >>>sincerely hope that the leaders on the ground have their priorities > >>>right. > >>>I > >>>hope that they will NOT waste time making a case against a Jawara > >>>presidency. That is NOT on the cards. I hope our leaders will NOT be > >>>lured > >>>into this absurdity of trying to bash PPP in order to preempt a Jawara > >>>presidency. I am encouraged by the maturity leaders like OJ, Hamat Bah > >>>and > >>>Waa Juwara (the only leaders I have read their comments) are approaching > >>>this issue. We in the Opposition should avoid unwittingly justifying the > >>>July 1994 'coup'. The people that staged the 'coup' CANNOT even justify > >>>their case. Why should we (that wants the PPP supporters) now make the > >>>APRC > >>>case for APRC? I am yet to hear one coherent argument making a case > >>>against > >>>the Opposition canvassing PPP supporters. All I hear is arguments against > >>>a > >>>non-issue (a Jawara presidency). > >>>KB > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>From: Jungle Sunrise <[log in to unmask]> > >>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list > >>>><[log in to unmask]> > >>>>To: [log in to unmask] > >>>>Subject: Re: FWD:Jawara's Lost Opportunity > >>>>Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:37:13 +0000 > >>>> > >>>>Dampha, Hamjatta and co. > >>>> > >>>>Please take note of these developments. Do not say I did not warn you. > >>>> > >>>>Have a good day, Gassa. > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>_________________________________________________________________ > >>>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >>>http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >>> > >>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>>To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L > >>>Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > >>>You may also send subscription requests to > >>>[log in to unmask] > >>>if you have problems accessing the web interface and remember to write > >>>your > >>>full name and e-mail address. > >>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >> > >>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >>To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L > >>Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > >>You may also send subscription requests to > >>[log in to unmask] > >>if you have problems accessing the web interface and remember to write > >>your > >>full name and e-mail address. > >>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L > >Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > >You may also send subscription requests to > >[log in to unmask] > >if you have problems accessing the web interface and remember to write your > >full name and e-mail address. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L > Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html > You may also send subscription requests to [log in to unmask] > if you have problems accessing the web interface and remember to write your full name and e-mail address. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html You may also send subscription requests to [log in to unmask] if you have problems accessing the web interface and remember to write your full name and e-mail address. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------