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Good on you Jabou. It is ok to question your fellow citizens' intentions in
 discourse for sport.
Haruna.


In a message dated 4/16/2009 9:32:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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Haruna,

I do not have to  convince anyone, the truth will unfold before the people.

Jabou  Joh






-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 1:23 am
Subject: Re:  The Halifa Factor, what next?


Jabou,

It may be worth your while to take Suntou at his word when he claims to 
engage in honest discourse. If he claims his intentions are good, but  you
challenge that, the alternate is that you may conclude his intentions  are not
really good. That leaves you one less man to convince otherwise. And  as it
seems, you need to convince every last man and woman in Gambia to see
things the way you see them. Unless of course you have no interest in  convincing
Suntou. In which case there will have been very little merit in
challenging his intentions. Where is Hon. Halifa when you need him.  It is apparent
that honest discourse means agreeing with Jabou. What I think  is more
significant is for Jabou to satisfy herself that she engages in honest  discourse,
particularly in matters of politics.

I regret you are at a loss for words to describe my disposition. I hope 
you will forgive my ambivalence.
  ;
Now then to the rest of your notes:


[In a message dated 4/15/2009 11:08:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask])   writes:It is indeed Laye, but brother
Suntou of course always  insists that  his intentiones are always just to
engage in honest  discourse, and Haruna, well, what can I say? It also never
ceases to  amaze me that those who keep insisting that Halifa does not have the
following  to win elections are always the very same ones looking for him
alone to take  up the responsibility to save the people as well as the same
ones who assign a  sinister motive to his every move and to find fault with
his every action.]  Jabou.


The fact that enough Gambians have not entrusted Halifa with their  votes
to make him Leader of Gambia is a given. Duodecennial actuarial  data bear
that out. Suntou does not have to say that to make it fact. Also,  you may be
in error when you presumed therefore that Suntou was looking  for Halifa
alone to take up the responsibility to save the people. What  Suntou did
(Buharry and Jallow), was share the fact that out of20the many  Gambians, only
Halifa embarked on a fact-finding mission  to determine if the newspaper
(including Foroyaa) accounts and eyewitness  claims were indeed accurate. I am
sure it escapes us sometimes that there had  been remote controls using Halifa
because of his gravitasse and the respect he  garners outside of Gambia.
Halifa will of course not admit this because he is  not that kind of a guy from
what little I know of him. But if you ask him  nicely, he will produce
communication where he was "strongly urged" to  initiate such challenge.He had
deliberated on it for a while. So  Halifa's heart is in the right place.
However, the decision to go on a  pre-determined fact-finding mission issued
from onerous corners. You will  agree with me that a more gallant action will
have been to lead a  demonstration in the streets to show disdain and
disgust. And that does  not have to be done by Halifa alone. In fact that could
have been a  coordinated demonstration by all Gambians including APRC
partisans. A  coordinated demonstration nonetheless. I know Buharry doesn't like
demonstrations. I am surprised he endorses the public gatherings Halifa held
to share with the people what their constitutional rights are. I want you  to
know that there is more to the "fact-finding" mission than meets the  eye.
If you allow Suntou to proceed on his query, you will learn  that.

Now if you, Halifa, Laye, Evian, The Olfactor, Buharry, Dramane,  and Demba
were REALLY interested in the welfare of ALL GAMBIANS (not  just PDOISard
Gambians), which do you think is more effective and  wise:
1. A Fact-finding mission by Halifa alone on a foregone  conclusion
OR
2. A demonstration by Gambians (be they PDOIS, APRC,  UDP/NRP [NDP], PPP,
GDP, GPDP, GMC)?

You're prolly gonna say "Well Gambians will not do that". OK. But what  if
you work on coordinating that instead of try to yield your party electoral
fortunes and end up further alienating yourself from More Gambians. I  will
submit to you that having tried to coordinate but not yielding a Gambian
demonstration is far superior in integrity terms than engage in fact-finding
that had already been established by your own paper.

What do you think?

[The double standard is so blatant, it is mind boggling.]  Jabou.

So having convinced yourself that Suntou looked for Halifa alone to  take
up the responsibility to save Gambia and Gambians having acknowledged  that
Halifa does not have the requisite following to become President of  Gambia,
you now tag him as purveyor of double standards. I did say life is  full of
mirages didn't I? You consider your disposition. Do you think you are  being
honest with yourself much less Suntou? You keep boggling your own minds 
and portray yourselves as victims of phantom smear campaigns but if you  relax
a bit and actually consider things, you will ameliorate much of your
angst. There was no reason to even engage Suntou on his Oped. It could have  been
turned into immense opportunities for yourselves. What I cannot
participate in is the muzzling of fellow citizens by overwhelming  (over-powering)
them with equally clueless numbers. What you risk doing is  bring out further
discernments, some of which you may not have been privy to  prior. You see
the way PDOIS operates is that there is a cadre of strategists  who do not
worship Hali fa but see him as their conduit to Marina parade.  Then there is
the cadre who (or their friend or family member) in one way  or the other
have received assistance or support from PDOIS and are therefore  beholden to
PDOIS for dear life. Then there is the third but equally virulent  cadre who
are in ecumenical awe of Halifa's prose and panache for whom  Halifa is
their religion. These cadres operate in layered pantomime with the  glue
separating them being an emulsion of Foroyaa and Nyakoo. Some  PDOISard once
accidentally intimated to me that the left hand does not know  what the right hand
is doing but they still expect you to go along with what  the party
directive is if you, your friend, or family member has  benefitted from the party's
generousities prior. I don't expect you to  agree with me.

[The entire affair is begining to micmic the Republicans and Obama,  they
are so desperate they do not care to make sense anymore.]  Jabou.

And you latch onto Obama for attenuated fortunes. The burden of this
weight might prove cancerous for Obama. He did caution Africans and African
Americans that his election means as much to republicans as it does to
democrats and that it must be viewed as inspiration. Just like he did, educate
yourself, work hard, be honest amid indiscriminate gaucherie and pannafore,
stay true north, and you will succeed. I am reminded that Obama got at least
50% of Americans to entrust him with their votes. No he did not win because
of  a preponderance of technology or because of his grassroots work alone. He
 kneaded his persona and associations. Now he can count on his education to
 solve daunting national problems, not use it to garner numerical advantage
on  Republicans. So there's no mic-micking. (mimicking). BTW, Obama did a
lot with  political motives. And there was nothing wrong with that.

[There is a reason that Africa will always end up as the foster  child of
the World.] Jabou.

Africa will only end up being a foster child of somebody with Jabou's
help. For Jabou will have been somebody's foster child in that scenario. I  know
there's no greater incentive than personal interest in self-preservation.
If being a foster child is really abhorrent to you.

[Every time a prospective leader  who truely has the interest of the people
at heart rears their heads, some  of us make it our ardent task to shoot
them down in every possible way.]  Jabou.

I submit he/she will have been determined by the Led to be a  prospective
leader first, and that their demarche determined to be for  commoner good, in
order for someone to aim a shoulder-mounted RPG at them.  Yahya got us into
all this grandstanding for his cluelessness. I mean why  arrest someone who
claims to be on a fact-finding mission???? I still didn't  get it. If
you're Yahya, I don't think you will be afraid of the facts of your  life because
you destroy other folk with such brazen disregard.

[However, like the Republicans and Obama, the people are not as  stupid as
some of us may assume.]Jabou Joh

I agree. The independents are not as stupid as we had imagined. I find  it
amazing that you PDOISards shhot yourselves in the foot everytime simply
because you are always at the ready=2 0to pounce on harmless fellow citizens.
Jesus friggin christ. Settle down. You can actually challenge folk more 
effectively with less venom.

Haruna. Olfactor, excuse me for the tarry. I shall return momentarily.  I
think I have addressed some of your concerns here. There's something that
concerns me though about you; Well, I tried to read all of your notes in this
here conversation but I came away with the feeling you say the same thing
in  all of them but with ever-escalating strength of words. We are not
harmful  people. In fact we are more like you than different from you. If you say
one  more time that Halifa told you to speak for yourself and not allow
anyone to  speak for you, I'll wring your small neck. See you later. MQJGDT.
Darbo.

-----Original Message-----
From: Abdul Jallow <[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) >
To: [log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask])
Sent:  Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:36 pm
Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what  next?



Sis  Jabou:
Amazing indeed. See, the naked gym nastics Haruna and Suntu  are engaged
in is mind juggling indeed. "Today's  Gambians!"

-Abdoulie
Sent from my  iPhone

On Apr 14, 2009, at 22:50, Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]
(mailto:[log in to unmask]) >  wrote:

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