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Thanks Brother Haruna

I hope Pa realises that there were many mandinka listeners of freedomnewsradio; who 
were disappointed to hear vitriol he made about their tribe.

Thanks

Brethren Yanks





Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 04:12:24 -0500
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Subject: Re: Thank you Yanks. This is for Ndokeh Nderry. I am still his elder.
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I am very proud of you Yanks for reasoning with Nderry in the quiet after 
the storm. I was a bit disappointed in Nderry even though I understood he was 
defending Falai because of their common tribal affinity and because Falai is a 
regular commentator on Freedomnewsradio. I do not fault Nderry for that support 
of Falai based on those notions. However, I was expecting Ndokeh to consider 
that even though Falai is a regular contributor, I am also a regular listener. 
If, as a proprietor of a journal or radio, you insense some of your listening 
audience by your regard for a regular commentator, you are, unawares, dwindling 
the need for the commentator. As far as the tribal affinity goes, that's a dime 
a dozen. I will however share with Ndokeh, as a rider to your amicus Yanks, that 
even if Ndokeh thinks Mandingos are tribalist, he Ndokeh is the least situated 
to be tribalist as counterpoise to any Mandingo tribalism, real or imagined, 
simply because he is a proprietor of a news and entertainment medium and he 
professes to desire circulation and readership. Ndokeh must understand that he 
occupies a special place in the Gambian community. It should be unfortunate to 
tear down what he spent several years and many sweaty nights to build.
 
I have known him to be passionate and to jealously guard his sacrosanct 
right to free speech. I will encourage Nderry to consider the delicate balancing 
act of those rights with his rights as a sole proprietor of a news and 
entertainment outlet. Courts wrestle with this balancing act all the time. It is 
because they are the penultimate reserve of communion and harmony for the 
world's peoples. Falai knows exactly what he did and he knows he is in the 
wrong. It is now very difficult to carry out surreptitious and proxy wars. The 
Mandingos and the Fulas are like the chicken and egg story. I don't believe one 
can be useful without the other. Let us focus on the crimes of persons and not 
their tribal, religious, or professional affinities. Political parties belong to 
their founders and members. The rest of us can either choose to vote for them or 
not vote for them. Our vote is not currency for ownership shares in any party. 
So please dispense with the notion: UDP belongs to all Gambians, PDOIS belongs 
to all Gambians, NRP belongs to all Gambians, GPDP belongs to all Gambians, GMC 
belongs to all Gambians, or PPP belongs to all Gambians. THEY DON'T. All of 
these parties would love to earn all our votes but they know who owns their 
parties. And why would anyone want to own a political 
party???????????????????????????? My vote is far more valuable than an ownership 
stake in a political party. When I want an ownership interest in any political 
party, I know how to purchase that ownership....By registration, blood, 
sweat, tears, and the attendant joys, just like the vrai owners of the 
parties expend. I remembered Ndokeh shared a well-worn quote...Hamga Lui hew 
Gambia, Hanga lui hew Gambia, ALhaji doggu mala deh, wai Hanga lui hew Gambia, 
Monkey eat, baboon chop, wow monkey work baboon chop. I almost died laughing. I 
want Ndokeh to reflect on this his quote. I also remind him that it was one of 
the quotes Yahya shared in his first few days as Junta leader when there was a 
tussle as to who would be leader of the spoils of the coup. In the shallow films 
of that quote lie shares of ownership.
 
I am long. Thank you Yanks for affording me this opportunity to confer with 
my Ndokeh. I understand he may have been pleased with me lately. I was also at 
pains to chide him directly hoping he would reflect. I am reminded of Brutus' 
soliloquy in the small hours of the morn ahead of Caesar's assassination.
 
Haruna.
 

In a message dated 1/27/2011 6:29:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[log in to unmask] writes:
Pa

You are more than welcome to join the UDP, 
  whenever you wish. 
I was contacted about your handling of the falaye debacle with the UDP. 
You were mad 
  with the UDP's decision to disown Falaye. It must have come as 
a shock, therefore your reaction could be understood. 

However, what you 
  failed to understand was how shocked and mad the UDP 
were to hear Uncle 
  Falaye calling for Darboe's head! 
  

I heard you arguing that it was uncle Falaye's right to freedom of 
  expression. 
Just as the UDP argues that same basic tenet of human right. That it is their right 
to 
  count anyone as part of their party. 

To put it simply, if Yahya Jammeh declares his 
  defection to UDP tomorrow, he might 
not be accepted; so will any one 
  else who wants to make public statement about of 
  
party's leadership in a manner that undermines that leadership 
  itself.

We can live with uncle Falaye being a member of the PDOIS and criticise 
  our leadership 
than to have him from within. In Britain the Labour party 
  kicked out George Galloway and 
  
Claire Short from their party or forced them to resign because they were 
  critical of Blair, 
the leader of the party at the time.

Britain is a democratic nation and it parties 
  engage in a democratic process. But each 
party has parliamentary 
  whips to clamp down on rebels. 
  

Falaye cannot be a rebel from within; he is right in his believe that 
  he has freedom to question 
the UDP leadership, but he was wrong 
  to thinking that the party will 
  accept his challenge. 

He is indeed a free man just like the rest of 
  the members of the UDP party. Whoever does not 
like the leadership of 
  Darboe, has the freedom to leave 
  the party. However a person cannot claim 
to be a member of the UDP but 
  does not accept its leader.

I would therefore encourage you, Pa  to 
  maintain the impartiality of freedomnewspaper, in order 
you may not become 
  GRTS against the UDP. 

Remember every day the GRTS is telling Gambians 
  how bad the UDP is, yet we are a force in the 
Gambia.

The UDP is not scared of any media house. 
  We have withstood GRTS and Daily Observer and Foroyaaa
in the 
  Gambia!!!!!!

Nemesis 
  Yanks


  
  Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 23:37:07 +0000
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: 
  Re: Is Pa Nderry and the freedomnewspaper working for Jammeh and the 
  APRC?
To: [log in to unmask]


  
  
  Yanks:

Very sober reflections here, but why associating me with the 
  PDOIS? I'm not affiliated with any party in The Gambia. But I must hasten to 
  add that: If I were to support any party, I rather join the UDP because of the 
  party's policies. Then, I will lobby your support including Ustas Suntou to 
  replace Ousainou. 

On a more serious note: I appreciate all the 
  sentiments expressed by different forum members on this particular thread. We 
  are bound to agree, and disagree, but lest we forget that civility facilitates 
  fruitful debate. Thanks. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

  

  From: Yanks Darboe <[log in to unmask]> 
  Sender: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List 
  <[log in to unmask]> 
  Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 23:09:44 +0000
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  <[log in to unmask]> 
  Subject: Re: Is Pa Nderry and the freedomnewspaper working for 
  Jammeh and the APRC?
  
Suntu 

Pa Nderry is currently 
  on the payroll of PDOIS; just ignore him. I had a lot of calls 
regarding 
  the same. I find uncle Falaye and 
  Pa Nderry's call for Darboe to resign a 
bit interesting. 

I do not 
  think they understand the UDP; as its party loyalists understands it. Calling 
  Ousainou 
to resign without 
  asking who will replace him will only be a detriment to the UDP, as a 
  
party. If anyone wants 
  Ousainou to leave the UDP leadership; they must tell us who will 
replace 
  him and whether that person will agree replace him. 

The UDP is an open democracy, if Pa Nderry and Falaye want to replace 
  Darboe; they don't need 
to start such sinister propaganda on freedom, they 
  can do so by putting their interest to party and 
compete with Darboe to the position. 
  

However, to ask for Darboe to resign without will lead for the 
  destruction of the UDP; which i think 
both Nderry and Falaye do not want 
  to see.  

Furthermore, the claim 
  that Darboe should resign because he had been the leader of the party for too 
  
long is not credible. 

Take example of Abdlie Wadda, Alpha Condeh, 
  and Alhasana Ouatara, they did not resign because they 
had been leaders of 
  their respective parties in opposition for long. If that was a requirement 
  they would 
not be presidents of their respective countries. And not 
  forgetting my comrades in the PDOIS leadership, 
who have been opposition 
  leaders before the birth of the Gambian nation!!!!!!! 

Yanks 
  

 


  
  Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:25:17 +0000
From: 
  [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Is Pa Nderry and the freedomnewspaper 
  working for Jammeh and the APRC?
To: 
  [log in to unmask]

Haruna
I have been on record defending 
  the right of the Freedomnews to dig deep into Gambian politics and affairs. 
  However, recent happenings in the freedomnewspaper seems to expose the ugly 
  side of a pundit. He is free to say whatever he deems fits and really, no one 
  has any problem with that. But it seems the lazy, hypocritical accusations 
  have surfaced in his radio. He now start accusing decent Mandingos of 
  Tribalism whilst not doing the same for his other guest. He now brand Yahya 
  Darboe and other UDP U.S members of controlling the UDP. I wonder what he eats 
  before coming on air. Isn't he the same person speaking to Syngle Nyassi about 
  UDP and Gambian politics. No single UDP support group come into effect without 
  the approval of Ebou Manneh and this is evident even with the New UDP Sweden 
  chapter. Whoever is feeding him this malicious lies should serious think 
  before prating. But then the dangers of ethnic co-existence always lingers.. . 
  This is the most absurd nonsense I have heard for a while. Now it appears 
  Mandinkas have to be careful in involving in politics if not, cheap idiots 
  will come at them with stupid nonsense. Let Pa Nderry go CNN and see if his 
  futile statements will mean anything. Why should the mere discussion of 
  differing views brought ethnicity into our politics? I thought that, Pa of all 
  people is beyond this rubbish but alas, ..
Pa should remember that, his 
  radio is effective only if it serve the public good. Using it as weapon 
  against those he disagree is bringing back the early days of the Freedom 
  newspaper when he use to attack just anyone. I hope in time, he be restraint 
  enough to sit tightly on the fence, for now let see it as Talk show host let 
  loose. And who is trying to please with the maligning of Mandingo members of 
  UDP? No single member of the the UDP will be hindered with lies against those 
  who wish to play an active role in Gambian politics. If supporting a party of 
  their choice means they are tribalist, well then.. who careless.

It is 
  sad to see Pa spending his valuable time talking on irrelevant self-defeating 
  subjects rather than importance matters on Gambian politics. 
As it 
  happens, those feeding him have benefited more from the UDP than those they 
  are attacking, how ironical. Now Pa said, Fulas are the largest ethnic group 
  in the Gambia. That is fantastic news and by Allah may they increase in 
  number. Another gentleman said, some Mandinkas in Sweden hand his daughter in 
  Marriage without his approval and that means, the Mandinkas always think they 
  are better than others. Now then, open the cans of worm, lets get on with it. 
  Let Pa bring on more Mandinka maligning and relax, if that is what it will 
  take, it is ok.
Suntou


  On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> 
  wrote:

  
    Kemo and Ansu,

Falaye's case is one of fraudulent agency. Any 
    speech emanatin from fraudulent agency does not fall under Free speech. Many 
    "journalists" confuse the universal and intrinsic rights to free speech and 
    its underpinnings. Being a "supporter" of a political party is not the same 
    as being a member or an official of the party. 

Haruna.
    
    
    

    -----Original 
    Message-----
From: Ansumana Bojang <[log in to unmask]>
To: 
    GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: 
    Wed, Jan 26, 2011 11:04 am
Subject: Re: Is Pa Nderry and the 
    freedomnewspaper working for Jammeh and the APRC?


    Jallow,





This seems to be a simple case of Pa Nderry was exposed for his bias.  His 


subsequent shows have exposed this more.  You can see that he is trying to find 


anyone who he can have come on his show to say anything negative about UDP and 


Lawyer Darbo.  He is always talking from both sides of his mouth contracdicting 


himself everytime he opens his mouth.  Pa needs to take a dose of reality and 


move on with better things for him and Gambia if he cares about Gambia.





I have read the UDP, USA press release and listened to the radio show and all I 


heard is the USA members trying to tell the audience what the party is up to and 


defend lies being pedalled against UDP.  Don't they have the right to speak 


their opinions too just like Falaye that Pa Nderry is defending for his right to 


free expression?





Ansu


----


Kemo Jallow said:





Listening to Pa Nderry after the defection of Rambo to APRC ,with the issues Pa 


is talking about trying to be little Ousainou Darbo on his radio. One can say 


that Pa is working for Jammeh. With his double standard comments Pa is ready to 


destroy UDP. MY ADVICE TO GAMBIANS AND THE UDP IS TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH PA 


NDERRY AND HIS FREEDOMNEWSPAPER. Pa has an agenda against the gambian 


opposition. NADD failed because of  some comments mde on the online newspapers 


specially the freedomnewspaper. 


 


Pa said that he is independent and know one can controll him. Then why he want 


to controlls the UDP by supporting ideas calling for a change in the party he 


did not support. Anyone who know Darbo personally knows that Darbo is not 


tribalist. UDP UK and UDP USA please stop discussing certain issues at the 


freedom radio. Right now we dont need a journalis or a person who is trying to 


undermine the little efforts of our opposition political partys, who are 


struggling everyday on the ground. I would be very happy if Pa Nderry can come 


on the ground and form a political party and  challenge Jammeh. Ablie Wadda has 


been and opposition leader for decades before being a president. If Pa cannot 


support our oppositions leaders please let him stop undermining them.





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