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Haruna.


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From: Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: Opposition defection and those claiming they are dead.. what is your ...


Rashidiki, please do not interrupt my dialogue with Karandingo Touray.  Nee Ceesae Far, please provide me with the first name when you are between rounds.


Joe


Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:58:44 -0500
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Subject: Re: FW: Opposition defection and those claiming they are dead.. what is your ...
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Let it go Giuseppe. Read Suntou's notes and if you understand it, then be pleased with your understanding. I didn't know you had ever been in the UDP to defect??????????????? Suntou apparently does not want to respond to your anxieties.
 
Haruna. Take care brother.
 

In a message dated 1/26/2011 3:04:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
Suntou,   this is a second attempt to seek clarification as to the Mr. Sambou you   referenced below.   


  
Thanks
  


  
Joe

  
  From: [log in to unmask]
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: RE:   Opposition defection and those claiming they are dead.. what is your role?   Falaye in mind
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:47:59 -0600

      Suntou, someone alerted me to your mail regarding your reference to a Mr.   Sambou as a bad apple.  Since my last name is Sambou, I was just   wondering the Mr. Sambou you are referring to (his first   name).

"Sulayman Darboe, Mr Sambou and some others are perfect examples   of bad apples who can't stand the   heat."

Thanks

Joe



  
  Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:55:14 +0000
From:   [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Opposition defection and those claiming   they are dead.. what is your role? Falaye in mind
To:   [log in to unmask]

  
Badou
  
A week is a long time in politics and talking about unity, Falaye is   aware of things happening under his nose, hence zip it on that. We have enough   weekly Tele conference with every serious UDP member in Diaspora every   Saturday for two to three hours.
  
Whoever have a serious issue to discuss, the platform is there   adequately. However, you don't have to claim you are PDOIS or APRC. I   understand some can sit tightly on the fence and wish for a level playing   field devoid of harassment, human rights abuses, equal access to TV, Radio and   a free press etc without being part of any political group. This is possible   and I know brothers who are working toward such goal. I have attended demos   with some of this folks.
  
However, you cannot curtail any discussion here or any where in the cyber   space. Referring to Rambo's conduct can include all those who did what he just   copy. His predecessors are many and there will be others. It is the reality of   dictatorship.
  
This is prevalent in Sudan, Algeria, Syria, The South Americas and   Africa. Even in Europe people cross carpet, however, for those, they do it   with good intentions, not knowingly join a criminal organisation that at best   operate a shadow government.
  
 
  
Sulayman Darboe, Mr Sambou and some others are perfect examples of bad   apples who can't stand the heat. Falaye on the hand is destructive and   countering the efforts of his so-call party. If he is not satisfy with the   party's choice of candidate, doesn't he know what he should have done? Genuine   Democrat who oppose Obama during the primaries rally round him after his   selection. You try to work out things inside your camp. Do I think that, you   will find any problem with his double standard misninforation, I don't   think so.
  
There is no need to create a false myriad. Falaye should air his   grievances directly to the UDP executives, UDP able youth leaders,   MPs, Yayai Compins, etc. He may influence things through that.
  
I careless what you have to say about the UDP. I have no problem with the   criticism of those who are not calling themselves UDP members. But you don't   build a house and slowly start setting fire to it. I have listened to Falaye   on a couple of occasion, sometimes I thought Pa doesn't have any other   independent voice to speak with about the UDP instead of the duo who are   seriously disconnected with current affairs of the party. 
  
No wonder Sedia and Halifa said, we "youths in Diaspora know nothing   about the situations on the ground." Their assertions that, we criticise them   without lending any form of support is true. Obama raises his campaign funds   from ordinary people and donors. Who is donating to counter the Yahya Jammeh   free bank? How many Gambians will decline a D50,000 when offered on   political grounds? Come on, who will? Let alone when the amount is   in hundreds of thousand.
  
Now, we in the opposition don't have any such money, but we can at least   fuel our vehicles, visit supporters country wide, attend their ceremonies,   talk to them. This is the slow process that can counter Yahya. Gambians are   not militant in a serious way. Calling for mass demonstration is a far fetch   idea. Let us speak with the opposition leaders, encourage them to visit   voters, donate to PDOIS, UDP, NRP. The easy blame game is only absolving us of   involvement, yet when folks who spend their own resources, sacrifice it all   for change commence to be corrupt we renew another line of attack.
  
Gambians can't have their cake and eat. Ghana, Nigeria have   companies now that can do the Europe-America political donations, we don't.   South African has businesses that donate heavily to political parties, we   don't. The few individual donations are not enough to counter Jammeh's   long hands. We all see him shamelessly handing raw cash on TV. Is this   kind of politics new? Hell no. PPP big wigs use to do it, Jammeh took it to a   higher level, with maximum exposure. Then it use to be bags of rice, few   hundreds.
  
Let us continue blaming the opposition, it will bring miracles. Yes, they   need to be reminded of the urgency we are all facing. But what is your part in   it. You don't even have to back any opposition by name, just scramble for   votes for them in your own way. The military are enjoying for now. Can we   depend on them to rid us of Yahya, it is a wait and see. How of them do we   have with us in Diaspora and how many have we ever heard making plans to do   the revolution for us? God is our saving grace, He is always with us, and him   Him let us depend and do our quorter. Thanks
  
Suntou


  
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Banura Samba <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
  
    
    
Suntou,     I think you need some background information before jumping into conclusion     that I am a PDOIS supporter. I have no idea what you talking about. I think     you are talking out of  paranoia and confirmation bias.Talking about     Sulayman Darboe's defection to APRC is not the issue here, we talking about     Rambo. I think we should be looking for solutions to avoid future defections     of our party militants than picking bones with other people.

I think     you need to do your home work very well  before jumping into slippery     conclusions who belongs to UDP or PDOIS.  From your statement below I     came to understand that you are new in UDP if not you would have known the     immense contribution Falaye did for the UDP party as a whole.  I think     you , as you claimed yourself as the UDP coordinator  in UK should have     engaged yourself  with unification process  than dividing people.     As a  party or individual aspiring to lead our nation , you must be     ready to be patient, tolerant, apologetic and above all accommodating all     types of innuendos. Veritably,  you are looking for peoples' support     and people are not looking for your support.   Falaye, I know since the     hay days of  1996 is without qualm a die-heart supporter of UDP. I have     witness this with my eye, as recent as 2009 Falaye have hosted and organized     a meeting  for  UDP  in  New york. So what are you     talking about here, brother?    
    


    

    
    
    
From: suntou     touray <[log in to unmask]>

To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 5:41:23 AM     

Subject:     Opposition defection and those claiming they are dead.. what is your role?     Falaye in mind

    
        

    
Haruna
    
I thought each of the opposition parties and the ruling APRC has     witness cross carpeters over the years. Hence Badou is miss informed on his     party's cross carpeted folks. I can recall Sulayman Darboe, a     young candidate for PDOIS who rented in our home and then     deflected to APRC, One Mr Sambou who left PDOIS even went on to     reveal Halifa's eating habits. 
    
Rambo with all due respect was chosen as the youth leader as a     gesture to his suffering and the outward potentials he demonstrated. 
    
The party was alerted by a good member in Bakau on Rambo's shortermism     agenda. He was monitored and sidelined. Our Youth leaders have toured the     country twice without him.
    
He never toured with the youth leaders, hence we were prepared for his     actions.
    
It is sad to see his short term ambitions get ahead of his sound     reasoning. However, Rambo whatever compel him to join the slow     killer of sick HIV victims, shall surface clearly later.
    
 
    
This brings me to the frequent chat on Freedom radio by a guys call     Falaye Baldeh. This man is calling himself a UDP supporter whilst he knows     he is not. His assume commentator title on Gambian politics is fair     game but let him be honest and call him what he is.
    
Serious supporters of UDP advise the party through the internal     mechanism. Falaye will not divulge on his marital woes in the open, he will     not relate his short coming in the opening, why does he think calling     himself a UDP supporter and never hesitating to say rubbish will do?
    
If he is so militant, what stops him traveling to Gambia,     mobilising the supporters and youths and face Jammeh? 
    
What money does the opposition have that Falaye is talking about? We     know who is pushing him with the pretentious blah blah. Politics like all     human relations goes through ups and downs, but to hide behind friendly     lines whilst being an enemy is the lowest case of evil manifestation. He is     entitled to his opinion, but please let him speak as non-UDP supporter, so     that, his criticism will make sense, instead of taking serious listeners for     a fool. He has left trails and his associate have also left trails.     
    
When did Falaye extended his hand of support to the UDP?
    
When did Falaye wrote or spoke to the Executives on his worries and     suggestions?
    
 
    
If Falaye thinks that our opposition should invite Jammeh to a street     fight, I will expect him to travel and join in the preparation of such a     move. 
    
The oppositions can do with the support, encouragement, criticism and     presence of all those calling them dead. What have you done to enliven     the dead oppositions?
    
What suggestions have you demonstrated to tackle the dictator with a     gun, tank and foreigners ready to kill for him and escape to the other     side?
    
Instead of crying Woolf, be constructive, join the line, fight. How     much money did Obama get and spent to get to the White House? You are     unwilling to act and yet quick to blame. How much support did Ouattara get     financially to move around Ivory Coast? People were ready to spend to make     them travel. Going on the streets on Banjul, Serrekunda can make a     difference, but politically, how do you expect the opposition to fund their     campaigns well before elections. Western Democracies have state funding, yet     we want democracy but not with our direct involvement. Your advise is as     good as your loyalty and dedication to assist, then you can blame.
    
 
    
Falaye is pretending on the Freedom radio. His crocodile tears makes no     sense. The UDP allows, encourage constructive criticism by its members,     channel through the party hierarchy. If the likes of Falaye are not helping     strengthen the base of the oppositions, that have no access to the radio,     Television, money, and hardly any editor will publish critical comments     about the regime, what help do such an opposition require? 
    
Gambia is not the property of any opposition politician, hence those     unhappy are welcome to form their warrior party and lead the charge,     hopefully, our hunt for martyrs will happily come to pass. In Tunis, people     were ready to act, they didn't just sit in far places enjoying the niceties     and continue saying things, they went out. With or without the opposition,     it is a fact that, people can act. What are Gambians waiting for? You     can be the martyr if you chose, we will happily inscribe you on our chest.     Come out guys!!!
    
 
    
This is not to say, their are no rooms for improvement, however,     do your quoter as well. Everyone needs some form of encouragement in dealing     with difficult political climate. Partisans will obvious be critical of each     other, but members within the same party require a civilise constructive     internal process of dealing with grievances not the Judaising form of     retributions. What our tongues twist, our hearts manifest.
    
Suntou
    




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