Mboge
Don't be a hard man...Of course not even MKJ (Mathew K Jallow) the man who
wish to put that notion across initially will propound that idea. We all
know the journey of Mandela..Hence, jokes aside, I am with you..,Let us
critique and allow our brothers to rehabilitate positively. Although they
should be aware that, "one man two governors" comedy is a thing of the
past. Mboge, yet again I refer you to the lyrics of rolling Stone's song
'Sympathy for the devil'...
Suntou


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> *"Dr Janneh can have a sigh of relief, he is repaying some of his past
> conduct...Hence, Dr Saine and Foday Samateh, widen your nets, many more
> fish in the sea. "* Hmmmm!
>
> The above statement is misleading.  It is false and untrue to say or even
> insinuate that Dr Janneh is being picked on or people are trying
> to distract him from fighting against the regime in the Gambia.  Dr Saine's
> and Foday Samateh's observation are apt reactions and provide context
> to the claims in the book written by Dr Janneh which must be rigorously
> scrutinized.  Without a doubt for some of us it is obvious that Foday
> Samateh and Dr Saines nets are full of other worthy fish.
>
> Janneh's criticism has mostly been against the false Mandela-like
> projection we are being forced to swallow and the false reasons we're being
> sold about why he joined Jammeh's criminal government.  Janneh is no
> Mandela, period.  Many more Jannehs are being criticized for joining Jammeh
> and this has always been the case and will continue.  The Njogu Bah's and
>  others have never been spared and this will continue.
>
> Mboge
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 3:47 PM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Joe an incredible succinct take on the subject. Thanks. One is always at
>> odds in attempting to place the serious complexities we face. It happens
>> that, the academic levels we attain tend to have little or no impact on our
>> outlook in live, as per, collectivism. The author is spot on, Dr Janneh is
>> not the lone culprit here...One wonders if this is mainly an undercurrent
>> of acute poverty and/or the fear of it.
>> I remember back in 2009, my MA degree course supervisor advising me to
>> get myself away from all 'dissident' activities and focus on my career. He
>> said "you will waste your time getting involve in speaking against
>> dictators". He strongly recommend going back home and working in the
>> environment, beefing up my CV and then parachute.
>> I was dumbfounded, but the reality is, many of the Dr brothers choose
>> that option. But then, they are all private individuals who can choose to
>> conduct themselves in such a way. On the opposition front, there is serious
>> soul search left to be done. Dictators don't respond to half-measures, and
>> the leaders have all learnt that now.
>> Hopefully, all is not lost, we have the Dr Jaiteh's, Dr LJD's, Dr
>> Galleh's, Dr Saine's, Dr Abu Jeng and others. The vast majority are too
>> docile for my liking...Dr Ceesay am afraid, is a kingpin of forwarding
>> stuffs, nothing interactive this days. I wonder if that is what becoming a
>> Dr does...
>> Joe, this will be a very a* 'long walk to freedom'*
>> *Thanks for the insight. *Dr Janneh can have a sigh of relief, he is
>> repaying some of his past conduct...Hence, Dr Saine and Foday Samateh,
>> widen your nets, many more fish in the sea.
>> SUntou
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Joe Joe <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>>  Suntou, I agree with the author. We cannot cherry pick those we
>>> castigate and those we cuddle for similar behavior. I'm glad there are
>>> those that saw the need for equity in our affairs. There has been well
>>> meaning folk who for some reason cannot or refuse to connect the dots when
>>> it is very very obvious. It is not rocket science to see that all these
>>> folks listed are on the same boat and we talk about one, we must talk about
>>> all. Now, there are folks here who have dealt with all these
>>> prostitutes, past and current and their opinions litter this landscape and
>>> am sure the author knows that. The majority of us must be seen to do just
>>> that if we are to shape the Gambia of tomorrow. After hundreds of murders
>>> and disappearances and all sorts of criminal activity, we need to stop
>>> saying what these folks engaged in were/are a mistake. One runs the risk
>>> of their integrity being questioned when they full well know what is going
>>> on is pure greed and nothing else, yet, they for reasons best known to them
>>> continue to peddle lies. The author talked about hypocrisy/Maslahaa and he
>>> cannot be more correct. The level of hypocrisy is sickening. I also agree
>>> with the author that we will wait a long time time for Yaya to be gotten
>>> rid off by Gambians in the inside. That can only change base on what the
>>> opposition leaders do. I am not talking about the opportunists among the
>>> leaders, but those with integrity. Their attitude to change must change if
>>> we are to get rid of Yaya now, as oppose to his natural death.
>>>
>>> Those leaders need to stop believing they can rehabilitate, reason,
>>> joke, or teach a dictator worthy of his salt. Love, education, democracy,
>>> and laughter has never gotten rid of a dictator and they will not be the
>>> first to achieve that in the history of humanity. The army should have been
>>> the place to get rid of him, but currently Yaya is one and the same with
>>> the army. A minute on the Army. We say that Yaya is putting Jolas as the
>>> higher ups in the army, but the majority in the army are not Jolas? That
>>> majority can do something about Yaya, but for the greed the author talked
>>> about. They are all looking for crumbs and titles and have no time to think
>>> about getting rid of Yaya, just like the Jolas surrounding him.
>>>
>>> Going back to the opposition leaders, they may mean well, but they help
>>> Yaya by default through their actions. Let's take Ousainou, Halifa, and
>>> Sidia (I did not include Hamat for obvious reasons and OJ's PPP is
>>> non-existent). Now, why do these guys think that obeying the law/Yaya, or
>>> educating Yaya will see Yaya out? It will never happen. After 19 years they
>>> know exactly what they need to do - be seen to lead the people to take back
>>> their country. They need to bring the masses who support them to the
>>> streets. But we all know they are not ready or willing to do that. I know
>>> their supporters are by now up in arms to lodge a charge for Joe to go to
>>> Gambia and lead the people to the streets. Lord knows if I were in their
>>> position I will do just that. Let's say I land in Gambia today, I will be
>>> picked up at the airport while these guys preach calm and engage in
>>> reasoning to eternity. That is what will happen to any vocal diasporan that
>>> has been a thorn in the flesh. If these party leaders will let their own
>>> officers rot in jail, you think they will skip lunch to rescue Joe to
>>> continue to fight with them? No, they will not. If you replace Joe with
>>> Suntou, Nyang, or any other partisan who is vocal you will get the same
>>> result. Since these guys are going to continue to educate Yaya, it is high
>>> time those of us on the outside to form a group that will force the issue
>>> in the streets. We will find out that we should have done this a long time
>>> ago, for when the heat is on the Yayas are cowards. At this stage of the
>>> game confrontation by any means is very very necessary.  What is needed is
>>> dedicated Gambians to start, that's all.
>>>
>>> A while back we saw the Bayo Group to appear. Some of us were open to
>>> their direction, however, to be blunt, the group was too homogeneous and
>>> that was not by accident. That sort of mindset is what has kept Yaya in
>>> power and we need to have the proper representation to be taken seriously.
>>> Another group was compiled but they lacked commitment and confidentiality.
>>> We are at crossroads, we either resolve to start to stop this beast now, or
>>> we will see another 19 years go and counting.
>>>
>>> Now, I know some quarters are already tense and all they will hear is
>>> another Jola trying to lead Gambia/Gambians. No, not this Jola. I have been
>>> around all this while and participated in almost everything here, yet, you
>>> never saw me lead. Precisely because I know our people are sensitive to
>>> that. Don't trust me, just follow my steps and do not just start from the
>>> US, you can go as far back as Gambia. We just need a few good men and women
>>> to start a little something. Alternatively, if there is any such serious
>>> group in existence, please contact me and we can take it from there. No
>>> folks, this is not in competition with the democracy forces or directions
>>> out there. One can get to Gambia using various means. I am not televising
>>> either. It is called starting some where, just like one starts a political
>>> party, a pressure group, or an Umbrella group. The only difference is the
>>> stakes are higher in what I am soliciting for. Folks know my email.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 11:25:36 +0100
>>> From: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: [G_L] When Dr (PhD) Became Personal Pleasure seeking: Gambian
>>> Dr Under attack
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>>
>>>    <http://kibaaro.com/why-do-you-single-out-dr-amadou-janneh/>The
>>> Gambia has it fair share of academics at present and the number is growing.
>>> Although the bulk of our intellectuals, or should we say, those with
>>> Doctorate titles are hardly heard in conversations, even in their field of
>>> expertise. What is puzzling is that, a number has succumbed to the
>>> trappings of the Jammeh dictatorship, as opined by the writer of the
>>> article below.
>>>  A source in the Gambia immigration services indicate that, quiet a
>>> number of Dr titile holders actually travel with President Jammeh's
>>> approved diplomatic passports, advising him and sometimes running secret
>>> errands for him. One may see attaining a PhD as something monumental, but
>>> actually, does it just mean a licence to fall into the petty trapping
>>> within the elite of the third world. A vehicle to get some hearing, but not
>>> a tool to change society for the better.
>>> The Dr (PhD) Gambians haven't put anything tangible on the plate yet, or
>>> do some expect too much from ordinary men/women who just want to be left
>>> alone to do what they want, rather than shouldering the burden of our
>>> social ills. A recent article in Aljazeera by Mamdani explain the faults of
>>> the secular liberals in Africa...a case study of this group may help us
>>> help them...
>>> Suntou
>>>  http://kibaaro.com/why-do-you-single-out-dr-amadou-janneh/<http://kibaaro.com/why-do-you-single-out-dr-amadou-janneh/> Why
>>> Do You Single Out Dr. Amadou Janneh
>>> Reads :567
>>>
>>> *By David Bansama*
>>>  [image: dr. janneh]<http://kibaaro.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dr.-janneh1.jpg>
>>>
>>> *Dr. Janneh: I’ll not allow anything to distract me. I am therefore
>>> responding with silence. Let them rave and rant until rivers run dry!*
>>>
>>> *I read the interesting piece by Foday Samateh on Dr. Amadou Janneh and
>>> got tempted to react.*
>>>
>>> Foday’s piece in indeed interesting because it touches on a number of
>>> issues that characterize not only Amadou Janneh in particular but the
>>> average Gambian intellectual in general. That is why we need to put this
>>> phenomenon in its proper perspective rather than the selective application
>>> trend it is currently taking. Whatever is underpinning this selective
>>> criticism needs to be cast away to establish absolute objectivity,
>>> especially when Foday himself aptly stated *“The anything goes
>>> image-making and self-glorification finally and thankfully belongs to the
>>> bygone era*”. I cannot agree with him more! Mr. Samateh (and before
>>> him, the erudite Dr. Saine) raised pertinent issues in his probing piece.
>>>
>>> However, I would like to bring two things (better described as diseases)
>>> to the fore for Gambians to ponder over. Generally, Gambians (particularly
>>> our so-called intellectuals) are inherently selfish. In that, we first
>>> think of ourselves, then our nuclear family, then our extended family, then
>>> our tribe before we think of our country. This is not a sweeping
>>> generalization. We have some exceptions but they are fast becoming a rare
>>> breed in today’s Gambia. Following from above, Gambians can thus trade
>>> anything for government positions (especially ministerial).
>>>
>>> These two factors explain why we still have this social misfit as our
>>> president for 19 solid years and, I am not being pessimistic, but without
>>> Divine intervention, he is likely to stay on for another decade and life
>>> will continue to be seemingly normal for all Gambians.
>>>
>>> Having said that, let us delve into these two points in detail. Amadou
>>> Janneh is a Gambian, born and brought up in Gambia (except for his stint in
>>> the USA) inheriting these sordid characteristics that we all have including
>>> my humble self. So singling him out for castigation, in my opinion, will
>>> not help our cause. For instance, despite his unparalleled arrogance and
>>> barbarity on The Gambian populace leading to his eventual downfall, some
>>> people continue to see Sanna Sabally as faultless and in fact one of the
>>> best for our country. Our own Mathew Jallow, inspite of his exposure,
>>> intellectual standing and literary prowess, fell for this myopia.
>>> (Rerefences of Mathew’s contributions in defense of Sanna Sabally could be
>>> found in The Gambiaecho’s archives). I wonder what led him to tow that line
>>> in spite of the overwhelming evidence against his Fulani compatriot. The
>>> only logical conclusion I can give is their common Fulani heritage which
>>> bonds them together. Therefore, Mathew’s good judgment, at the time, was
>>> beclouded by his tribal sentiments.
>>>
>>> Dr. Sedat Jobe became Minister after the November 11 1994 bloodbath;
>>> after the mysterious murder of the young Finance Minister, Ousman Koro
>>> Ceesay; and after (or was still minister during) the April 10-11 massacre
>>> of innocent students. In fact, for Dr. Jobe, having regained his
>>> credibility after his land-mark resignation in 2001 (the only one I
>>> remember after Mrs Satang Jow’s) his credibility was badly dented when
>>> years after his resignation, precisely during the 2006 presidential and
>>> parliamentary electioneering, he stood on an APRC political platform to
>>> cast aspersion on the Opposition. He holds a Ph. D and was supposed to know
>>> better. He did not think of the average man (at the time of accepting the
>>> ministerial offer) who sees him and his Ph. D as a savior. He let them
>>> down. He did not see the poor farmer in Njain Sanjal, Badibu, Niumi, Jarra
>>> and Kiang looking up to them (the intellectuals/*Borom Hamham yi*) to
>>> save our small Gambia from the disaster it has already slid into. The only
>>> logical conclusion I can make is that they were more interested in the 2Ps
>>> i.e. their *p*ocket and personal *p*restige that comes with such
>>> positions. *Our intellectuals indeed!!!*
>>>
>>> Dr. Saja Taal, arguably the most prostituted Gambian intellectual, held
>>> several positions during and after all of these sad events had taken place
>>> in our small society. He did not bat an eye. In fact, some accounts of
>>> Chief Manneh’s disappearance implicated Dr. Taal. Only God knows the truth
>>> about that. He holds a Ph. D and was supposed to know better. He did not
>>> think of the average man who sees him and his Ph. D as a savior. He let
>>> them down. He did not see the poor farmer in Njain Sanjal, Badibu, Niumi,
>>> Jarra and Kiang looking up to them (the intellectuals/ *Borom Hamham yi*)
>>> to save our small Gambia from the disaster it has already slid into. *Our
>>> intellectuals indeed!!!*
>>>
>>> Mr. Sidi Sanneh, a one-time Foreign Minister, became minister after all
>>> of the above quoted incidents, and after the deliberate attempt on the life
>>> of Lawyer Ousman Sillah and the gunning down of Deyda Hydara whose family
>>> continues to seek justice until today. Sidi is not a Ph. D but he has a
>>> very impressive career both in and outside of The Gambia before and after
>>> the illegal Jammeh enterprise in the Gambia. Yet his vast exposure and
>>> experience could not save him from accepting the ministerial offer when it
>>> came his way. Today, like Dr. Janneh, he is Yahya Jammeh’s arch critic
>>> judged by his almost hebdomadal online postings. He did not see the poor
>>> farmer in Njain Sanjal, Badibu, Niumi, Jarra and Kiang looking up to them
>>> (the intellectuals/ *Borom Hamham yi*) to save our tiny Gambia. *Our
>>> intellectuals indeed!!!*
>>>
>>> The recording-breaking speech of Dr. Njogu Bah, another PH. D (whether
>>> real or fake) in which he prayed for (and requested his audience to pray
>>> for) Jammeh to stay in power for 900 years, was a classical case of an
>>> intellectual thinking of himself first before a dying nation. He did not
>>> see the poor farmer in Njain Sanjal, Badibu, Niumi, Jarra and Kiang looking
>>> up to them (the intellectuals/ *Borom Hamham yi*) to save our tiny
>>> Gambia. It would be interesting to know whether Dr. Bah still maintains the
>>> same view on Jammeh. *Our intellectuals indeed!!!*
>>>
>>> Dr. Crispin Grey Johnson became minister after all of the above quoted
>>> incidents, including the deliberate attempt on the life of Lawyer Ousman
>>> Sillah and the gunning down of Deyda Hydara. He holds a Ph. D and was
>>> supposed to know better. He did not think of the average man who sees him
>>> and his Ph. D as a savior. He let them down. He did not see the poor farmer
>>> in Njain Sanjal, Badibu, Niumi, Jarra and Kiang looking up to them (the
>>> intellectuals/ *Borom Hamham yi*) to save our small Gambia from the
>>> disaster it has already slid into.*Our intellectuals indeed!!!*
>>>
>>> Our own Nana Grey Johnson, is the current Information Minister, – also
>>> an intellectual. He read all the books in The Gambia and the great seas
>>> beyond, yet his “wisdom” could not save him from accepting Jammeh’s
>>> ministerial position. He did not see the poor farmer in Njain Sanjal,
>>> Badibu, Niumi, Jarra and Kiang looking up to them (the intellectuals/ *Borom
>>> Hamham yi*) to save our Gambia. *Our intellectuals indeed!!!*
>>>
>>> Dr. Momodou Tangara, a serving minister in the Jammeh regime, is a Ph.
>>> D. He became minister after all the atrocities mentioned earlier. He did
>>> not think of the average man who sees him and his Ph. D as a savior. He let
>>> him down. He did not see the poor farmer in Njain Sanjal, Badibu, Niumi,
>>> Jarra and Kiang looking up to them (the intellectuals/ *Borom Hamham yi*)
>>> to save our small Gambia from the disaster it has already slid into. *Our
>>> intellectuals indeed!!!*  I can go on and on with examples of Gambian
>>> intellectuals going about messing everybody up. All these PH.Ds are jokes.
>>>
>>> Buba Baldeh, our serious activist in Dakar, was part of the overthrown
>>> PPP and it did not prevent him from accepting Yahya’s offer when he had the
>>> opportunity. He is not an intellectual like the caliber of those mentioned
>>> above. But he has the Gambian blood in him transmitting our common disease
>>> which beclouded his judgment at the time of accepting Jammeh’s poisoned
>>> chalice.
>>>
>>> Yet with all of the above, we continue to say our society is a
>>> “close-knit” one where everyone knows each other thereby reinforcing the
>>> need to exercise MASLAHA. Yet from our “close-knit” society, people are
>>> willing to accept Jammeh’s offer when the next door neighbor is crying over
>>> an assassinated son, husband, father and/or a jailed brother who puts food
>>> for them on the table. What an interesting society!! Is it Maslaha or sheer
>>> hypocrisy?
>>>
>>> When I first read the humorous Papa Kumba Loum’s sarcastic piece on
>>> Gambians, I initially felt like drawing him close to me and punching him on
>>> the head. However, upon a second, and this time, a sober reading of his
>>> piece, I felt like calling and congratulating him because he was just so
>>> apt with our comportment. So Dr. Janneh belongs to the same Gambian
>>> intellectual club with the same features. This is why singling him out for
>>> criticism, in my opinion, smacks of some hidden agenda. In fact, he has
>>> realized his mistakes and is willing to make good what he did wrong. We
>>> either get rid of all of them (including the ones I have mentioned above)
>>> and start with people who have unblemished records or we accommodate them
>>> whilst holding them in check to ensure they do not mess us up the second
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Education is supposed to benefit the larger society and it is not the
>>> same as intellectualism. Education is intellectualism plus character. Most
>>> of our co-called intellectuals do not have that required moral character to
>>> be able to use their “education” to benefit our society. Instead, most of
>>> them see their education as a means to obtain wealth and prestige at the
>>> expense of the impoverished lot. So I have but very little respect for most
>>> of our intellectuals. They said Yahya is not educated, is dumb, he is this,
>>> he is that, yet with his supposed ignorance and dumbness, he uses all these
>>> intellectuals (some PH.Ds) to his advantage and later dumps them. So who in
>>> fact is dumb – Yahya or our so-called intellectuals? If our men of the book
>>> and Western orientation and busy jockeying for positions in an illegal
>>> enterprise, what makes us, the Gambian Diaspora, think that Gambians in The
>>> Gambia will rise up against the Jammeh regime? How sure will they be that
>>> our so-called intellectuals will not highjack their cause to become
>>> Jammeh-reincarnations? No Gambian (inside Gambia – both Military and
>>> Civilian) will ever bell the cat in rising against Jammeh and Jammeh (the
>>> wise fool) knows this. Let us be objective and rid ourselves of these
>>> destructive diseases that we all have – selfishness and lust for position,
>>> prestige and fame. Even our Diaspora liberation associations as well as our
>>> on-line papers and their contributors are not immune to this. You do not
>>> need to have a magi to see the bickering?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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