I see you feel like talking today.
[In a message dated 4/13/2009 1:10:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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Mending fences is a good thing on a smaller scale or large country wide
basis.] Suntou.
I agree with you wholeheartedly Suntou but maybe you don't understand what
I was saying. Let me do it this way:
The sons of Amin and Nyerere, what type of mending fences do they do that
warrants a friggin BBC international coverage???? You tell me. The two have
not done anything to each other as far as I can tell and they were too
young to have partaken in the affect of their fathers' decisions. It is
however OK for them to reflect on those actions by calling each other on the
phone or visiting with each other if their particular families still harbour
any significant animus toward each other. I and the rest of Uganda and
Tanzania are not interested in that when the decisions led to the murder,
maiming, and pillaging of whole peoples (outside of their immediate families). I
would have thought that there current dispositions and acumen would have
made them more sober in "Mending Fences". So yes Suntou, I agree, mending
fences is good, but please don't embark on a journey to mend cockamayme fences.
[Who would be the peace maker post-Jammeh?] Suntou.
Making what peace post Jammeh?? What is un-peaceful about Sous-Jammeh that
needs mending Post-Jammeh?? This is the problem with Africans. They so
convolute their problems to make an excuse for not having the desire to solve
them. So the problems fester and mutate under cover of "mending friggin
"phantom fences". You are not acting as current deterrent for Yahya's prolific
criminality. I ain't worried about Post-Jammeh just yet. I am more worried
about giving Yahya good advice to train on sobriety and circumspect NOW.
[t may take individuals first forgiving each other and a national
reconcialition task force headed by Mathew K Jallow and Hon. r
Mai Fatty.] Suntou.
Forgiving each other and reconciliation ought to take place every minute
of every hour of every day in a nation's (peoples') life. You don't need to
set up a task force for that after you let the animus build and fester in
cowardice. Uncle Mathew and Hon. Fatty have more important considerations to
attend to. If you are talking about a task force to prosecute garden
variety crimes and other ethnic bias, you have the Judiciary for that, a task
force already set up and "functioning". Why hold the nation up for idiocy
simplex?
[Remember Masoud, quiet a lot Darboe folks and the occassional jallow kund
enjoy bororo.] Suntou.
I think you mean boro-boro or Njarr Lambai. I know quite many Tourays,
Samatehs, Mboges, Johs, Jattas, Sanyangs, Sannehs, Jaitehs, Jobes, Njies,
Ndires, and Trawallays who enjoy an equal volume of the concoction too you
know. So why chide the Jammehs, Jallows, Bandehs, and those Darbos??? See what
I mean about you focusing on the wrong things for the wrong reasons??
[What's up with Tiger any way.] Suntou.
Tiger is wonderful and coming back to form fantastically. Allah had
weightier considerations for the Masters than Tiger's winning it this time.
Argentina was hurting for a desert of unifying forces. You do see that Tiger is
always in Allah's plans. If he didn't serve as catalyst to slow Lefty down,
Cabrera and Argentina would have been engaged in tortured internal strife.
I wonder if you see it that way?? In my opinion, Tiger's honour and
excellence is no longer to be determined by how many more Masters he wins, but
how many more winners he enables. Get it? Good!
[Suntou, your real uncle.] Suntou.
I'm still doing my inbestigations on this. I will put Evian in charge of
it as I inbestigate his friggin self. Haruna. Could it be that I AM YOUR
UNCLE instead of the other way around and you are just engaged in a PSYOPS?
You might be interested to find out too. So you don't go through life in an
endless haze of mirages!!!! Ndasimma Anke Tooriya?? MQJGDT. Darbo. Like I
told you, after your exams, I want you to write at least 2 childrens' books.
Taling Taling!! Suloo ning sannemu.
--- On Mon, 13/4/09, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Jaffer Amin and Madaraka Nyerere reflect on their fathers.
Courtesy BBC N...
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Monday, 13 April, 2009, 4:17 PM
Uncle,
You got the wrong friggin idea about the great Darbo Kunda. One of these
days, it'll hit you between the eyes. What is bororo and Katoo? I want you
to know if it cannot grow in our gardens, we Darbo's don't eat or drink it.
Are you sure you're my uncle? I want proof. And right now.
I understand you're busy with exams and circumstance. You still find time
to mess about with the Darbos. You better ax Jammeh Kunda and Bandeh Kunda
about Bororo and whatever.
On the sons Amin/Nyerere summit, I have no opinion on it one way or the
other. In fact it has very little significance. There are more Ugandans and
Tanzanians who were affected by their fathers' decisions, and they were too
young to have materially affected events. If their meeting soothes over
acrimony between their two particular families, why well and good. The
important thing is for the two of them to recognize the untold general suffering
Idi Amin's cluelessness brought on the larger public and to train themselves
and their young families toward sobriety. If I were Jaffer, I would be
considering a foundation to positively enhance the lives of as many folk as
possible such as an orphaned childrens' home or a home for the disabled. And
you go away. I don't believe in feel good cockamayme summits for singular
individuals or families when there are weightier considerations to attend
to. Don't humbug me. Darbo. MQJGDT. Al Mu'Umin. Good luck in your exams
"uncle".
In a message dated 4/13/2009 7:34:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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Thanks Masoud for this piece. Very interesting and mature. This is what we
ought be doing, sit, enjoy tea and talk. not bororo or katoo (a favourite
Darbo kunda drink) by the way.
suntou. your Uncle.
--- On Mon, 13/4/09, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Jaffer Amin and Madaraka Nyerere reflect on their fathers.
Courtesy BBC News.
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Monday, 13 April, 2009, 3:40 AM
Head to head: Toppling Idi Amin
The sons of Uganda's former dictator Idi Amin and Tanzania's ex-President
Julius Nyerere have met for the first time, three decades after the two
countries fought a war.
The BBC's Swahili Service brought the two together to reflect on the
five-month conflict, which left half a million people dead and culminated with
Tanzania troops ousting Amin from Kampala on 10 April 1979.
_MADARAKA NYERERE _
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7992195.stm#yes)
JAFFAR AMIN
The two families - President Mwalimu Julius Nyerere and President Idi Amin
- ought to have met because they were the two protagonists.
Jaffar Amin says it is important to reconcile historical animosities
So, after carefully considering BBC's request, I agreed to travel more
than 1,000km to Tanzania to meet Madaraka Nyerere in Butiama [his home town in
northern Tanzania].
Both of us were young when the war broke out. Madaraka was 16 and I was
only 12.
Madaraka Nyerere comes from a family of somebody who's revered as a father
of the nation and a great symbol of African socialism.
Idi Amin represents African proactive nationalism and sought to instil a
sense confidence within the common people.
But today I find my immediate family in an undefined state that feels like
we are deliberately being ostracised at a political level.
There are those who condemned my father as a tyrant who killed or ordered
the killing of those he perceived to be opposed to his rule.
Yet there are those who knew Idi Amin Dada as a man who loved his country,
family and culture as an African.
The purpose of his [Idi Amin's] leadership was to make Africans proud of
themselves
Jaffar Amin
My father is somebody who came from a poor background and always reminded
us of his poor origins.
He had a stint in the 1940s as a share cropper in the Mehta sugar
plantations in Lugazi, Buganda District, but rose through the military to become a
leader of a country.
Some dismissed him as a stooge of the colonialists.
Suddenly this "stooge" became very independent, populist and very
nationalistic.
He propagated African pride for Africans and went ahead to implement the
common man's charter, which was prepared by his predecessor.
Bizarre homage
The purpose of his leadership was to make Africans proud of themselves.
It's self-evident that as Ugandans, we exude a level of self-confidence
you rarely find anywhere else on the continent.
Idi Amin died in exile in Saudi Arabia in 2003, but still casts a long
shadow
His downfall can be traced to some of the controversial decisions he made
during his seven-year rule.
For example, when he expelled Asians from the country, international
opinion ran against him.
However, he claims he compensated them to the tune of $1bn through the
assistance of the OIC [Organisation of the Islamic Conference] countries
during the Opec heydays.
Also, when fellow Muslims convinced him to move away from the loyal
relationship he enjoyed with Israel, he soon found the tide going against him.
There are those who will find it bizarre that I can decide to pay homage
to a man who kicked my own father out of power and sent us into exile.
Wrong side of history
But considering the great efforts towards patriotism and a united identity
that Tanzania enjoys I would wish for this virtue to become an example to
Ugandans.
The rusting hulks of tanks from the war still litter Uganda's countryside
I also take a leaf out of [US] President [Barack] Obama's message to the
Muslim world to unclench our fists when offered an extended hand.
But there is a common ground between Mwalimu [Julius] Nyerere's son and
myself to reconcile historical animosities that have lingered for a long
time.
It's been 30 years during which no-one from both families ever dreamed of
meeting.
Madaraka and I are taking that tough yet historical step. We do not want
to be on the wrong side of history.
MADARAKA NYERERE
When the Kagera war - Tanzania versus Uganda conflict - began I was a
student in Shinyanga.
I remember how we tuned in to the radio to hear my father declaring war on
Uganda, his voice was rich with anger
Madaraka Nyerere
Shinyanga, in north-western Tanzania, is the main route from the
commercial capital, Dar es Salaam to Kagera - scene of the war.
I used to see a lot of military equipment and soldiers passing through,
soldiers going towards Kagera.
My father had been at loggerheads with Idi Amin for nearly seven years
before their differences boiled down into war.
By then, the Tanzanian public had been fully sensitised about why their
countrymen were being sent to war.
I sometimes wondered whether our troops would emerge victorious dislodging
Idi Amin who had presented himself as a very tough man.
Incidentally I met the Ugandan leader in very bizarre circumstances.
Back in 1972 just after he had taken over power through a military coup,
he landed unannounced in the Tanzanian lakeside town of Mwanza.
He went straight to the state lodge where my father was meeting Zambia's
former President Kenneth Kaunda.
Tanzania's army counter-attacked after Ugandan troops invaded
I'd been given a room at the state lodge in Mwanza. I had gone out in the
morning and while away, Idi Amin was given the same room without my
knowledge.
When I returned, I walked straight to my room, opened the door and who do
I see? It was Idi Amin.
He seemed busy working on something, which I couldn't quickly discern.
So I greeted him in Kiswahili: "Shikamoo" (greeting for elders), and he
responded: "Marahaba" (I am fine).
There was no more conversation. I left the room and that's the only time I
ever came into close contact with him. Luckily he stayed in the room for
only a few hours and left for Uganda.
I never found out what my dad made of Idi Amin's sudden appearance at the
meeting. Typical of dad, he never spoke about and it never seemed to bother
him.
Come 1979, around lunch time, together with college mates, we tuned in to
the radio to hear my father declaring war on Uganda.
Most people who listened to that speech recall that they had never seen
Mwalimu Nyerere so angry.
His tone of voice was rich with anger as he explained in a live broadcast
reasons and the preparedness of attacking Uganda.
Peace-loving man
Amin's troops had launched several air raids on Tanzania, invaded it and
occupied the north-western region of Kagera.
I had never heard or seen my father so angry because he wasn't this type
of person who brought home his daily stresses as the president.
Julius Nyerere is still revered in much of Africa
He made sure there was a clear and strict demarcation of his roles as
president and head of the family. He never brought his work at home.
That seemed to dictate how we related with him, we would hardly ask him
anything to do with work.
Even at dinner time, he would talk about anything else but not his work.
He kept his family insulated from work-related issues.
When the war broke out two of my brothers, Andrew and John, were in the
air force.
And even after the war ended, my other brother Makongoro couldn't resist
the allure of joining the army. He spent nearly two years in Uganda doing
military work.
When the BBC asked me whether I could meet Jaffar Amin, all sorts of
things rushed through my mind.
It took time to agree.
What convinced me is that both of our fathers are now dead.
Also, my father was a peace-loving man.
Even after the war, he would have agreed to meet Idi Amin and even invited
him to his home Butiama.
Whatever bitterness there was in the past, all we can do now is to learn
the lessons and open a new chapter for the future.
_JAFFAR AMIN_
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7992195.stm#upagain)
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