Hello,
Dont waste your times, the Gambian opposition is broken because of the
leadership. All these is just cheap talk. Gambians love President Jammeh and
will always elect him as president. Are you guys forgetting about 2006?
Please tell these groups to come and join the APRC.

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Modou my friend, I am very busy at this time but will take time out to see
> if you can educate me on part of your notes that is not an exclusive
> question for JDAM. I saw Rene's amicus and I would share some ideas with
> that other Pliny later. I'm all yours for now:
>
> [-----Original Message-----  From: Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]>
> To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>  Sent: Tue, Dec 7, 2010 5:40
> am  Subject: Re: Foroyaa News: Talks on Opposition Unity Between Sidia and
> Darboe.
>   LJD, Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Every person has his or her
> own opinion hence it is not worthwhile to argue with opinions.] Modou.
>
> It is opinions that characterized the infamous meeting between Hons. Sidia
> and Ousainou. They gave each other their opinions and were supposed to GET
> BACK TO EACH OTHER. That is the disposition of folk trained toward a common
> ALLIANCE I think.
>
> [The best is to respect them and recognise the wisdom in them if any.]
> Modou.
>
> It is the opinions of the Honorables. It is for them to respect those
> opinions. We, on the other hand are not beholden to those opinions nor hold
> a particular regard for them if any.
>
> [If I may want to follow the pattern of your argument and try to respond to
> all that you raised it would mean reducing this whole exercise to a mere
> exchange of words.] Modou.
>
> COnversation is a mere exchange of words until either party acts on those
> words.
>
> [Needless to say, if you are left wondering what “speculations” Sidia is
> talking about, me Modou Nynag, I am not. Since Sidia’s meeting with Darboe
> rumours were spreading in the country regarding the meeting and it’s
> possible outcome, hence the need to clear the air.] Modou.
>
> I see you find need now to argue speculations (opinions). It is a tricky
> proposition Modou to discount exchange of words and opinions as mere
> chatter.
>
> [I would want detail of every meeting be made public for everyone to know
> what transpired because we have nothing to hide.] Modou.
>
> I wish you to consider that if you pour your heart and soul out to me
> today, I still wouldn't know if you have something or nothing to hide Modou.
> Think about it. What we intend to hide, we store in irretrievable memory.
> WHat we intend to share we store in random memory.
>
> [We are faced with a similar situation regarding the NADD situation.]
> Modou.
>
> You appear to be re-litigating NADD Modou. Tell me it ain't so. Could it be
> that Hon. Halifa transferred negotiating powers to Sidia (NADD) because NADD
> was to be relitigated ad-infinitum?
>
> [Even a meeting between Sidia and Darboe after Darboe pulled out of NADD
> was rumoured as Sidia joining UDP.] Modou.
>
> The ides of NADD!!! Imagine what would happen when you hold a primary among
> opposition politicians Modou. Under AGENDA 2020.
>
> [So LJD, you have a right to your opinion, but don’t think that will also
> stop us from acting the way we feel is right and appropriate.] Modou.
>
> The problem then comes alive when each of us ACT on our unique opinions.
> Because we all think we're right and our opinions are appropriate. This is
> the idea behind conversations and negotiations for commoner relief.
>
> [“It is the "primary" question that stands in the way of a united front in
> the sense that its architecture appears to rig the outcome in favour of
> Halifa”.
> LJD, this is the second time you have said that the primary aspect of
> Agenda 2011 is designed to favour Halifa. What makes you say so? Are you
> saying that when Halifa is in a ballot to select a single candidate to
> represent the opposition against others including Darboe it will go his way?
> Why and How? You have to answer these questions.] Modou of JDAM.
>
> I will yield for JDAM to share his OPINIONS with your OPINIONS Modou.
> Albeit couched in inquiry. Besides, I have no comment on AGENDA 2020 and
> caucuses and primaries. In a country where the battle is to remove one idiot
> from office. Never will have. A sheer waste of time and resources to me.
>
> [And to say that it is the primary question “that stands in the way of a
> united front”, is an utter statement to say the least. How is the primary
> question standing in the way of a united front? It is interesting that your
> option for a way forward for a united front is “UDP leading a united front
> under an ironclad agreement constraining its ability to misbehave once in
> government.”] Modou.
>
> There is no other way you can control the behavior or misbehavior of your
> fellow in a democratic society. You must rely on their better
> wisdom....Binding constraint. CHeck with Putin and Medvedev for more ideas.
>
> [LJD, may I inform you that your favoured option for a united front is a
> deterrent to opposition unity to me as well as many others.] Modou.
>
> It very well may be Modou and you are entitled to share that opinion with
> us just as JDAM shared his with us.
> Either of you or both of you sharing that does not the deterrent make for
> the sober and reflective among us. When a people is confronted with
> momentous considerations as Gambians are at this time, frivolous schemes
> will not paly a large role in their calculus. Trust me.
>
> {And by the way what do you consider an “ironclad agreement” that will be
> able to constrain the “ability [of the UDP] to misbehave once in
> government.” LJD, I really want to know. Being the legal person that you are
> your input in such an agreement will be worthwhile.} Modou.
>
> Ironclad agreement in law means an agreement signed by the parties to a
> negotiation. Nothing more nothing less. It does not mean clad in steel or
> any of iron's alloys.
>
> [Personally, I share wholly Sidia’s view that he is "not sure which
> political leader in the opposition could take voters away from the ruling
> party and motivate those who abstained in 2006 to cast their vote”, to help
> the opposition win the election.] Modou.
>
> Modou, I also recognize that Hon. Sidia may not be sure of the foregoing. I
> will add however that if Hon. Sidia wishes to be sure that the opposition
> takes votes away from Yahya and encourage those who abstained to come out in
> their good number, unafraid, to vote, is to combine the efforts and gravitas
> of all those opposition political leaders in an ALLIANCE. That is sure to
> cover all the ambiguities. And don't discount the symbolism inherent in an
> ALLIANCE-FRONT in the eyes of the vrai voters. In La-Guinea and Mali, folks
> were not sure which of the opposition political parties (incl. ATT) would
> win. But after hallmark ALLIANCES, any of the sober won. And Mali's
> government was a national unity government. La-Guinea's government promises
> to be that too. A National Unity government is actually a misnomer. What we
> call a National Unity government is actually a Government as democracy
> envisioned.
>
> [Your argument that “UDP has a far larger support base than any opposition
> party in the country” is not a good enough argument and guarantee for us to
> flock behind them.] Modou.
>
> Modou, consider that that opinon of JDAM is not good enough argument. Now
> consider UDP (whose support base is questionnable therefore) alloyed with
> NRP, PPP, GMC, and PDOIS. Or let's say PDOIS has the far larger support base
> than any opposition. Then consider PDOIS alloyed with UDP, NRP, GMC, and
> PPP. What do you think you're gonna git????
>
> [Furthermore, I personally discourage PDOIS from ever thinking of
> supporting a UDP led alliance. We are not part of UDP.] Modou.
>
> Let's say PDOIS ascends to your advice Modou for fancy. Would you envisage
> UDP, NRP, PPP, or GMC or all to ever think of supporting a PDOIS-led
> alliance??? After all none of these parties are part of PDOIS. DO not
> mistake grace and consideration for obsolescence. You are basically
> constraining PDOIS' dynamism in the future should they heed to your advice.
> It is comforting to know that PDOIS is a more reflective party than that.
>
> [We are a party of our own with it’s holds different views on how to run
> the affairs of our country once mandated by the people.] Modou.
>
> The other parties are parties of their own which hold different views on
> how to run the affairs of our country once mandated by the people. At this
> time, we work on "being mandated by the people". PDOIS will not lose its
> identity and uniqueness by forming an electoral alliance with other
> democratic parties if PDOIS' interest is democracy.
>
> [However, conscious of the circumstances on the ground and the position of
> the parties’ seeking to replace the APRC in government, we fully subscribe
> to a pooling of resources and strengths to effect a change of the system.
> This pooling of resources should not amount to helping one part of the whole
> into becoming a lord over the rest of the others.] Modou.
>
> I suppose you'd rather the other parts pool their resources to help PDOIS
> into becoming Lord over them. How can a party become Lord over her allied
> parties Modou????? I see you're in a defiant mood these days my friend. You
> cannot forge an alliance with this attitude. Imagine if Francois Lounceny
> Fall, Ousmane Bah, DIallo, Kouyate, Fofana, Kourouma, Bangoura, Toure,
> Baadiko, Barry, Kaba, or Camara had your frame of mind. We would not have
> had this new hope for La-Guinea.
>
> [Since it is the collective input of a group that helps to bring about such
> a change, it has to be transitional in order to finally give way for a level
> and multiparty contest by all on equal footing, nothing more nothing less.]
> Modou.
>
> I don't see anyone arguing with the concept of a transitional government.
> By its very definition in democracy, a government is inherently
> transitional. And the level and multiparty both should be accrued in that
> transition. Frankly I don't know what your anxieties are Modou. You seem to
> agree at the end of your notes that what an ALLIANCE would yield (change) is
> good. But in the beginning, you take exception at PDOIS even considering a
> party-led alliance on account of PDOIS' uniqueness. It is unique parties
> that form Alliances. I suppose if the other parties were to wake up on the
> wrong side of the bed one day and say "PDOIS, we would like to follow your
> lead in an alliance of our parties" you would reject it outright because
> they are different from you????????????????????? Allahu wakubaru!!!
>
> [A change for the better is what we are yearning for not the elevation of
> others above the rest.] Modou.
>
> In America, we were yearning for a change for the better. We thought we
> would elevate Obama above Hillary and the rest so he can be our Pall-bearer
> into that change. The scenario you envisage is that of a stalemate society
> with a whole bunch of chiefs and no injuns.
>
> [If any is so desperate let them go get it hence no one can accuse us of
> helping to put in office a bad government whenever it turns out to be so.]
> Modou.
>
> And if doesn't turn our to be so?????? You don't want to be accused of
> removing your persecutor for fear your brother might replace him. A brother
> who has never indicated to you in his history that he will persecute you. Eh
> Allah.
>
> [If PDOIS was only interested in changing governments, the PPP government
> would have been history long before 1994.] Modou.
>
> You're funny Modou. WHy do you think there was no PDOIS during the COLONIAL
> GOVERNMENT that preceded the
> PPP????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? That is
> the $64,000.00 question. I suppose PDOIS did not have the requisite
> consciousness then???? And what is PDOIS interested in besides replacing the
> government of the day????? Maybe we can point PDOIS in the right direction
> when we know what he's wantin.
>
> Men, I'll be late for my meeting. Later men. What a pain in the arse???
> Haruna.
>
> --- On *Tue, 12/7/10, Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Lamin Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Foroyaa News: Talks on Opposition Unity Between Sidia and
> Darboe
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Tuesday, December 7, 2010, 3:46 AM
>
>     Nyang
>
> Sidia's statement is quite extraordinary in its evasiveness and needless
> inbuilt propaganda.
>
> When did the meeting with Ousainou happened?
>
> His Central Committee knew he was meeting Ousainou. Did he report back, or
> was he *"invited to a meeting by the PDOIS Executive Committee to brief
> them on whether the UDP leader had spoken to me about any Alliance that they
> wanted PDOIS to join which aims to discuss the future of the country and the
> modalities of creating a united front without any conditionality"*
>
> What *"speculations"* is Sidia talking about? It was no secret that Sidia
> and Ousainou met, and this statement from Sidia may therefore be seen as
> nothing other than a replay of the NADD disaster in 2006. Even when it was
> absolutely clear we would not get a united front against Doctor Jammeh (as
> he then was), we were bombarded with ceaseless propaganda from Halifa
> regarding his willingness to adhere to the wishes of the people.
>
> About Ousainou selling his *"his candidature to the Gambian voters*", this
> is indeed feet dragging par excellence by Sidia and his organisation. The
> spirit enunciated in Agenda 2011 is embodied in the general principles of
> opposition to the government of the APRC. Merely committing them to paper
> does not make them unique principles of PDOIS. It is the "primary" question
> that stands in the way of a united front in the sense that its architecture
>  appears to rig the outcome in favour of Halifa.
>
> For example, Sidia contends that he is *"not sure which political leader
> in the opposition could take voters away from the ruling party and motivate
> those who abstained in 2006 to cast their vote. Hence I subscribe to the
> idea of holding a primary for the people to select the candidate of their
> choice in line with Agenda 2011. I told him that this is why I endorse
> Agenda 2011"*.
>
> If the ultimate objective is to is to *"take voters away from the ruling
> party and motivate those who abstained in 2006 to cast their vote"* in
> sufficient numbers to defeat the APRC, then the answer is none of the
> opposition leaders individually. That will only come about under a united
> front, and unquestionably, the UDP has a far larger support base than any
> opposition party in the country. PDOIS should drop the unnecessary
> conditionality of a 'primary' and consider the alternative of UDP leading a
> united front under an ironclad agreement constraining its ability to
> misbehave once in government.
>
> I am not the least impressed by Sidia's assertion thus: *"He assured me
> that he would hold an extraordinary meeting with his committee and come back
> to me. Since then I have been waiting to know what their stand is on Agenda
> 2011 or selling his candidature to the Gambian voters. These are the ways
> forward that are before the UDP leader and they need to take a stand and
> move on instead of giving the impression that Sidia is dragging his feet on
> the issue of a united front".*
>
> Again, when did the meeting with Ousainou occurred, and did they agree on
> when Ousainou would "come back" to Sidia? As to the insinuation that
> Ousainou is holding matters, when was the issue of a meeting first mooted,
> and how long did it take for it to materialise? Why is Sidia so eager to
> preempt the issue of "feet dragging"? The trick is to appreciate the
> pertinent streams of thought when dealing with a media savvy organisation
> like PDOIS.
>
> And finally to a point that is ever present in expressed views of the PDOIS
> leadership. Sidia  states that *"those who want to support the opposition
> should take their sides and promote dialogue while not undermining each
> other’s positions. This is the way forward". *Halifa stated this in his
> interview with *Maafanta.com*, and Sidia now repeats it. Why can they not
> accept that Gambians can be *neutral,* and that people like myself, Joe
> Sambou, and countless others, are in no way wedded to any particular party,
> and that this is quite legitimate and plausible on public questions of great
> significance. If this is intended to stop difficult dialogue, it is unlikely
> to succeed.
>
> As of now, I am in no doubt that PDOIS is a major stumbling block in the
> creation of a united front in so far as the non-negotiable bottleneck of an
> unnecessary Agenda 2011 'primary' is concerned
>
> I assure Sidia that contrary to his view, we are well aware of the
> "concrete realities on the ground". Again, this dismissive statement will
> not deter elements within the Diaspora community from having its say on
> issues affecting the direction of our country.
>
> More pertinently, some of us are not primed to be swayed by mere
> propaganda!
>
>
>
> LJDarbo
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 6/12/10, Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Modou Nyang <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Foroyaa News: Talks on Opposition Unity Between Sidia and Darboe
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Monday, 6 December, 2010, 17:57
>
>    SIDIA JATTA /OUSAINOU DARBOE MEETING
>
> The National Assembly Member for Wuli West, Hon, Sidia Jatta, issued the
> following statement relating to his meeting with Mr. Ousainou Darboe,
> Secretary General and Leader of the United Democratic Party.
>
> DECEMBER 5, 2010
>
> Having been waiting for Mr Ousainou Darboe to come back to me as promised
> after meeting his Executive Committee, I was invited to a meeting by the
> PDOIS Executive Committee to brief them on whether the UDP leader had spoken
> to me about any Alliance that they wanted PDOIS to join which aims to
> discuss the future of the country and the modalities of creating a united
> front without any conditionality. It has been brought to my notice that the
> GMC leader, Mr. Mai Fatty, has called on PDOIS to join an Alliance but has
> not sent any document to indicate that an Alliance exists which PDOIS should
> join. After my discussion with the PDOIS Central Committee, I have seen the
> need to make my discussion with the UDP leader public so that all
> speculations would come to an end. Gambians should bear in mind what has
> happened in Guinea Conakry and what is happening in Cote D’Ivoire at this
> very moment. Some leaders are not interested in historical legacies. They
> are only interested in having their way whether for the better or for the
> worse. Finally, it is the ordinary people who pay for the follies of their
> leaders. I do not want any body to link me to any dragging of feet regarding
> the creation of a united front by the opposition.
>
> My discussion with UDP leader was direct, frank, short and without any
> ambiguity.
> We discussed four main items, that is, his concept of what constitutes the
> international standard of forming opposition alliances; the NADD experience,
> Agenda 2011 and the need for opposition collaboration to monitor the
> registration of voters.
>
> Mr. Darboe told me that the international standard of establishing
> opposition Alliances is for the party with the majority to lead and the
> others to follow.
>
> I observed that it is unfortunate that in the Gambian context there is no
> second round of voting which would have made it possible for the people to
> select the two candidates who could participate in the final round. I added
> that if he wants, he as UDP leader to be supported as a candidate, on the
> basis of the principle he mentioned, he should go ahead and start a campaign
> to sell his candidature to the Gambian voters.
>
> I emphasised that on my part, I am not sure which political leader in the
> opposition could take voters away from the ruling party and motivate those
> who abstained in 2006 to cast their vote. Hence I subscribe to the idea of
> holding a primary for the people to select the candidate of their choice in
> line with Agenda 2011. I told him that this is why I endorse Agenda 2011.
>
> We then discussed the NADD experience. I made it very clear that even
> though other options were put on the table, all parties agreed to create
> NADD. I showed its successes and possibilities as a viable opposition
> Alliance. He maintained that NADD was destroyed by others.
>
> He expressed his view that Agenda 2011 is very good on paper but that he
> fears that it is not workable. He said that if different opposition leaders
> go on a political platform to campaign to be the Candidate of the
> opposition, they may engage in character assassination just to win votes. I
> told him that his fear should be laid to rest since Agenda 2011 is calling
> for each party or Independent personality to promote the Agenda on one’s own
> platform and seek a mandate of the people across the board. I emphasised
> that the mere fact that all voters who support the Agenda would be called
> upon to vote for the single candidate makes it essential for no candidate to
> be subjected to character assassination, since he or she may very well
> become the people’s choice of candidate. At that point he said that he was
> reassured.
>
> Finally, he questioned whether it was not possible for the opposition to
> collaborate to monitor the registration of voters. I told him that this was
> a necessity and every effort should be done to do so.
>
> He assured me that he would hold an extraordinary meeting with his
> committee and come back to me. Since then I have been waiting to know what
> their stand is on Agenda 2011 or selling his candidature to the Gambian
> voters. These are the ways forward that are before the UDP leader and they
> need to take a stand and move on instead of giving the impression that Sidia
> is dragging his feet on the issue of a united front.
>
> I have made it abundantly clear to the PDOIS Central Committee that there
> is no political vacuum for the creation of a United Front in the Gambia. The
> UDP leader has the option to start his campaign for the people to accept his
> candidature and extend invitation to others who are yet to be confident that
> he alone could put an end to voter apathy
> Agenda 2011 calls for each party to go on its own platform and campaign for
> its own candidate to be the single candidate of the opposition through a
> primary,
> NADD is still legally registered and all political parties could embrace it
> and then come together to select a single candidate. As far as I know PDOIS
> still subscribes to the NADD idea but PPP under OJ has also not pulled out
> of NADD.
>
> Those who want to support the opposition should take their sides and
> promote dialogue while not undermining each other’s positions. This is the
> way forward. I am willing to meet any representative from the GMC or any
> other party that aims to discuss Gambia’s future. Issuing comments in cyber
> space without knowing the concrete realities on the ground is not enough.
>
> The End
>
> SIDIA JATTA
> NATIONAL ASSEMBLY MEMBER FOR WULI WEST
>
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