I have known a lot of people who were able to quit
their drug or alcohol habbit through the support of
those who knew from personal experience just what it
was to have a drug problem.  I guesss I am sort of
confused by your message, we live one day at a time,
we are free from sin because of Christ, but yet, we
sometimes choose to sin, does that mean we are not
free?  I have never had a drug problem, but I would
think it is hard to quit, decisions must be made every
day, and situations come up where once more one must
afirm his desire to be drug free, just as in life, we
are faced with situations, we could lie, cheat, gossip
about someone, say unkind words, but we decide once
again that we want to honor God with how we live our
life.
Rhonda
Helen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:John, that is so true. I
think the Salvation Army turned from Truth long
ago. And I have known personally people who have
stopped drinking but then
became addicted to the 12-step program of A A. And as
addicted to the A A
program that one man became, it didn't keep him from
drinking, for he
eventually then went from that addiction back to the
alcohol. What Phil
said at the end of his post " 80 percent
>of the members were formers addicts or alcoholics.
Notice I said former and
>not recovering. They don't believe, God bless them,
in recovering nothing.
>You are either free or you ain't. Finally, somebody
got it right." I
agree with one hundred and fifty percent.
By the way, your former pastor's comment "What you win
them with, you win
them to." can be a wonderful encouragement. Gretchen
is in a place where
she is being won by the Spirit of God.......therefore
she is also being won
to the Spirit of God. Isn't that just too
wonderful??!!
Love to all,
Helen


Earlier, John Schwery wrote:
>Phil, it sounds like the Salvation Army has bought
into the A A
>philosophy. I suppose that A A has helped some
people, but with that
>program, one goes from one addiction to the A A
addiction. One of my
>former pastors used to say, What you win them with,
you win them to. Funny
>how the Lord works in finding you a church home,
getting that church from a
>bad situation. Sort of like Joseph and his brothers.
>
>earlier, Phil Scovell, wrote:
> >this coming Wednesday, on March the seventeenth,
Gretchen has to go see her
> >case officer. This lady decides if Gretchen's gets
to stay in this church
> >program or if she goes to prison instead. Of
course, Gretchen walked away
> >from the Salivation Army program after a week but
this church ministry is a
> >million times better for her. So we are just
praying she gets to stay in
> >the church program and her case officer will agree.
We are all in agreement
> >about attending this church so it appears we have
found a church home again.
> >By the way, for general information? Forget about
the Salivation Army drug
> >and alcohol rehab program. There ain't nothing
Christian about it any more.
> >They even make each and ever person sign up for
food stamps. Victory Out
> >Reach, where she is now, is a church of a good 300
core people. 80 percent
> >of the members were formers addicts or alcoholics.
Notice I said former and
> >not recovering. They don't believe, God bless them,
in recovering nothing.
> >You are either free or you ain't. Finally, somebody
got it right.
> >
> >Phil.
> >


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