I have known a lot of people who were able to quit their drug or alcohol habbit through the support of those who knew from personal experience just what it was to have a drug problem. I guesss I am sort of confused by your message, we live one day at a time, we are free from sin because of Christ, but yet, we sometimes choose to sin, does that mean we are not free? I have never had a drug problem, but I would think it is hard to quit, decisions must be made every day, and situations come up where once more one must afirm his desire to be drug free, just as in life, we are faced with situations, we could lie, cheat, gossip about someone, say unkind words, but we decide once again that we want to honor God with how we live our life. Rhonda Helen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:John, that is so true. I think the Salvation Army turned from Truth long ago. And I have known personally people who have stopped drinking but then became addicted to the 12-step program of A A. And as addicted to the A A program that one man became, it didn't keep him from drinking, for he eventually then went from that addiction back to the alcohol. What Phil said at the end of his post " 80 percent >of the members were formers addicts or alcoholics. Notice I said former and >not recovering. They don't believe, God bless them, in recovering nothing. >You are either free or you ain't. Finally, somebody got it right." I agree with one hundred and fifty percent. By the way, your former pastor's comment "What you win them with, you win them to." can be a wonderful encouragement. Gretchen is in a place where she is being won by the Spirit of God.......therefore she is also being won to the Spirit of God. Isn't that just too wonderful??!! Love to all, Helen Earlier, John Schwery wrote: >Phil, it sounds like the Salvation Army has bought into the A A >philosophy. I suppose that A A has helped some people, but with that >program, one goes from one addiction to the A A addiction. One of my >former pastors used to say, What you win them with, you win them to. Funny >how the Lord works in finding you a church home, getting that church from a >bad situation. Sort of like Joseph and his brothers. > >earlier, Phil Scovell, wrote: > >this coming Wednesday, on March the seventeenth, Gretchen has to go see her > >case officer. This lady decides if Gretchen's gets to stay in this church > >program or if she goes to prison instead. Of course, Gretchen walked away > >from the Salivation Army program after a week but this church ministry is a > >million times better for her. So we are just praying she gets to stay in > >the church program and her case officer will agree. We are all in agreement > >about attending this church so it appears we have found a church home again. > >By the way, for general information? Forget about the Salivation Army drug > >and alcohol rehab program. There ain't nothing Christian about it any more. > >They even make each and ever person sign up for food stamps. Victory Out > >Reach, where she is now, is a church of a good 300 core people. 80 percent > >of the members were formers addicts or alcoholics. Notice I said former and > >not recovering. They don't believe, God bless them, in recovering nothing. > >You are either free or you ain't. Finally, somebody got it right. > > > >Phil. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com