You mean I can apear to kill someone and it is ok if I think it is iok between God and I.

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Christ is either Lord of all or he is not Lord at all.
Karen Carter '74



> I know this.  This is why I was saying that we can not judge whether or not
> one is a good Christian witness by the way he lives his life as all
> Christians are imperfectly living their lives and in most cases it is
> condoned.  I am guilty of living an imperfect life myself so whatever this
> couple does if they feel it is rite in the sight of god they should do it
> without really worrying over how it may appear too others.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "virgie underwood" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:42 AM
> Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
>
>
> > Angel,
> > When I was attending a Catholic church, they use to have a Sunday morning
> > breakfast.
> > There is a school attached to the church, but still, we had breakfast and
> > there were soft drink machines there also.
> > My point is that Catholics and Protestants both are doing the same thing.
> > I have a big enough job taking care of my business and keeping my nose
> > clean that I do not have time to worry about those small things.
> > When we meet Jesus face to face, he will know what is in our hearts and I
> > do not believe that we will be judged by whether we are drinking soft
> > drinks from the vending machine, or drinking coffee from a coffee pot.
> > I believe we will be judged according to what is in our hearts, and how we
> > have treated our each other.
> > Just my thoughts.
> > Blessings to all!
> > Virgie At 08:48 AM 7/21/2005, you wrote:
> >
> > >I know Christian people who are gluttons as well.  Just look at all the
> fat
> > >people in the  church.  Do I judge them?  Gluttony is a sin according to
> St
> > >Paul.  The body is the temple of the holy spirit and I know Christians
> who
> > >drink soft drinks.  If a soft drink can clean the porcelain off a toilet
> > >bole I know I wouldn't want to drink it.  I even went to a Christian
> church
> > >where there was a soft drink machine in the basement of the church of all
> > >things.  The take drugs as well.  They are always drinking caffeine.  I
> say
> > >that to say this just what is a good witness.  I really don't think we
> can
> > >really say what is a good witness for Christ when there are so many
> > >Christian hypocrites around who do not practice what they preach. There
> are
> > >a lot of male female room mates who aren't either having sex together or
> > >contemplating marriage.  If people are basing their relationship with
> Christ
> > >on merely looking at how people around them live and not on their
> personal
> > >relationship with Christ they will be building their house on shifting
> sands
> > >and it will fall.      ----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Brad D" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:47 AM
> > >Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Do we have a godly biblical example of living together before
> marriage? It
> > > > is always best, prudent and wise to bring our situations back to
> scripture
> > > > no matter how it might cut cross grain to us. Their may be situations
> > > > today that may not have existed then, but come to think of it not all
> that
> > > > many. In any event giving the appearance of evil is not only a concern
> for
> > > > ourselves, in our own conern of what people may think, but also that
> of
> > > > all Christians. What if you tried witnessing to a non-believer and
> they
> > > > said "Don't talk to me about being high and mighty or living
> righteous, I
> > > > know a christian couple who lived together before marriage, how does
> that
> > > > differ from non-Christians today?". You see we bare the responsibility
> of
> > > > wearing Christ-like across our chest when we are known as such, and
> > > > appearing as non-believers with a live-in situation doesn't seem to
> line
> > > > up biblically  or doing as the Word says, to stay away from even the
> > > > appearance of sin,  not to mention surposefully put ourselves in
> > > > temptations way no matter how strong we feel our faith is. Psalms 1
> says
> > > >
> > > > Ps 1:1-2
> > > > Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or
> stand
> > > > in the way of sinners
> > > > or sit in the seat of mockers. But his delight is in the law of the
> LORD,
> > > > and on his law he meditates day and night.
> > > >
> > > > Notice the progression of "walk", "stand" and "sit" it cannotes a
> gradual
> > > > decline if allowed to entertain the ideals of ideals working against
> the
> > > > law or God's Word.
> > > >
> > > > I saw a message somewhere about if one gives in to a principle as such
> > > > now, how that might affect futre decisoins and ect. I agree. What
> would
> > > > make  a couple stronger, living together because of life's
> circumstances
> > > > or arranging other means until that day when no holds are preventing a
> > > > couple of living as a married one.
> > > >
> > > > Brad
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > on 02:47 AM 7/21/2005, Angel said:
> > > > I agree with you.  It seems Christians today think the devil is bound
> to
> > > > win
> > > > in every situation.  I think if you do live together without falling
> in to
> > > > sin it will prove to you more than anything else your love for each
> other
> > > > is
> > > > not based on mere physical attraction but instead is a heavenly godly
> love
> > > > which will last through the years.  It will also serve as a testament
> of
> > > > your commitment to god's precepts.  I will pray that you be constant
> in
> > > > this
> > > > commitment which I know you will and that your marriage will last as
> long
> > > > as
> > > > the firm foundation on which it will be built which is Christ.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jenifer Barr" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:36 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  > what is a vow between god and two people?  If we have vowed before
> God
> > > > and
> > > >  > each other that sex will not occur until marriage, then why is
> living
> > > >  > together a sin?  We are not intimate until then.  I understand
> about
> > > >  > temptation but that's when you pray every day that God keeps you
> > > > strong.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Our situation is unique and it's not like we haven't prayed about
> > > > it.  I
> > > >  > guess I'm just hurt because everyone seems to think that just
> because
> > > > we're
> > > >  > going to be living together the devel is going to win.  God is the
> only
> > > > one
> > > >  > in control.  Is this our ideal situation?  no.  I've been through
> too
> > > > much
> > > >  > in the past to know what temptation can do to someone... and i...
> or
> > > > yet
> > > >  > we... will not break our vow before god.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Jenifer Barr.
> > > >  > When the trumpet blows... I'm outta here!
> > > >  > AIM: jenibear1998
> > > >  > msn
> > > >  > [log in to unmask]
> > > >  > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >  > From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >  > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >  > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:06 PM
> > > >  > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  > > Hey Jen,
> > > >  > >         First of all, I'm sorry that you are dealing with an
> > > > inflexible
> > > >  > > pastor.  I don't see what difference it makes to him whether the
> > > > cerimony
> > > >  > > is big or small, before or after the civil cerimony.  I suppose
> that
> > > > he
> > > > is
> > > >  > > standing on something for theological reasons, but I have no clue
> > > > what
> > > >  > > that
> > > >  > > would be.  It seems to me that you are left with three
> > > > options:  switch
> > > >  > > pastors, move the wedding up,  or leave things as they are and
> trust
> > > > God
> > > >  > > for a miracle.  As a child of God, the one option that you don't
> > > > have,
> > > > is
> > > >  > > to move in together.  If you begin your marriage by  compromising
> > > > your
> > > >  > > principles  on something that is truly small in the grand scheme
> of
> > > >  > > things,
> > > >  > > how can you be trusted for the bigger ones.  Believe me, the one
> > > > thing
> > > >  > > that
> > > >  > > I am learning about our heavenly Father is that he is extremely
> > > > creative
> > > >  > > in
> > > >  > > the solution department.  We often miss it because we get so
> stuck in
> > > >  > > thinking that the only solutions available to us are the ones
> that we
> > > > can
> > > >  > > see and we shut the door on His creativity.  This is a test.
> This is
> > > > only
> > > >  > > a test.  The question is, will you trust Him and wait for His
> > > > solution
> > > > and
> > > >  > > timing or will you continue to see with earthly eyes only what is
> > > >  > > possible.  Good luck on your adventure.  He is faithful.  Your
> task
> > > > is
> > > > to
> > > >  > > remain patient and at peace!  GRIN!
> > > >  > > Kathy
> > > >  > >
> > > >  > >
> > > >  > >
> > > >  > > At 05:17 PM 7/18/2005, you wrote:
> > > >  > >>Hi all.  As most of you know, i am getting married in november.
> I
> > > > found
> > > >  > >>out
> > > >  > >>today from work that they want me to transfer in the beginning of
> > > > august.
> > > >  > >>I
> > > >  > >>can't tell them i won't transfer then because it is the end of
> our
> > > > fiscal
> > > >  > >>year august 31 and i could forfit my job.  Problem is though,
> that my
> > > >  > >>fiancee and I decided that to save money... if i had to move in
> > > > september
> > > >  > >>or
> > > >  > >>october we would just live together until the wedding.  We both
> don't
> > > >  > >>really
> > > >  > >>like the idea but it's like we have no choice.  I don't know what
> to
> > > > do.
> > > >  > >>I'm so confused... i don't know what is right and wrong.  Both my
> > > > fiancee
> > > >  > >>and I are born-again Christians, we will in no way have sex
> before
> > > >  > >>marriage
> > > >  > >>so if we made/make that pledge to god is living together before
> > > > marriage
> > > > a
> > > >  > >>sin?  Is it wrong?  And what do i do if it is?  I know of other
> > > > christian
> > > >  > >>couples who have lived together before marriage.  I am just so
> > > > scattered
> > > >  > >>right now.  Please pray for clarity for me?  And above all, pray
> Gods
> > > > will
> > > >  > >>be done.
> > > >  > >>I love you all.
> > > >  > >>Jenifer Barr.
> > > >  > >>When the trumpet blows... I'm outta here!
> > > >  > >>AIM: jenibear1998
> > > >  > >>msn
> > > >  > >>[log in to unmask]
> > > >  > >
> > >
> > >
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