Cindy,
Exactly right. Harboring those resentments and offenses keeps us behind
bars. You know we tend to think that if we harbor anger and hate towards
others who do us harm, we tend to feel by carrying it around with us, that
we are punishing them, or if we offer forgiveness, that in some way we are
letting them off the hook, free to get away with it. We need to realize
that it is not up to us to punish them, they will either get theirs come
judgement day, or better yet, come to Christ for the first time and
repent, or if already God's kid, find conviction and repent. I've always
said "It takes too much work to hold a grudge", and it is true, it takes a
lot of memory space to hold a grudge. Funny we can hold a grudge for years
but forget where we put our keys in five minutes. The former keeps the
door locked, and the latter unlocks it letting us free to come and
go*grin*.
Brad
on 05:44 AM 7/25/2005, Cindy H said:
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I think you are very right, that we all are forgiven for our sins, but it
does our hearts no good unless we recieve that forgivness right? I mean,
unless we turn to Jesus and repent, that forgivness isn't what actually
saves us...its the acceptance of the fact that we NEED forgiving and
realizing only Jesus can clean us up.
but on the other hand... if we are harboring unforgivness, then how
different are we than the ones who sinned against us? Our unforgivness
keeps us in chains. So who is more bound? Speaking from expierience, even
though my ex didn't care to repent or ask forgivness for the things he had
done, I needed to grant the forgivness, because it had me trapped in a
cycle of anger that controlled most of my life. He couldn't care less, but
I'm freed.
cindy
Vinny Samarco <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi everyone,
Here is a scripture that I have never heard ministered on, either in my
church, or any other. Let's see what you all think. From Luke 17-3.
Take Heed to thyselves; if thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him:
and if he repent, forgive him;
In that scripture, it does seem that there has to be some acknowlegement
of
sin. Now the Lord has taken away our sin, but it does me no good if I have
never acknoledged the sin in my life.
For example. I came to the Lord, or should I really say, the Lord revealed
himself to me at a point when I was planning the end of my life. at that
time, I never acknoledged my sin nature, however, about three months
later,
the Lord showed me the dispicableness of my heart, and the terrible things
I
had done, and then I deeply repented and I knew I was forgiven. So,
bretheren, there is a fine line between knowing in your head that you are
forgiven, and having that ben an actual experiential act that you have
experienced personally.
If you ever read stories about the revivals in the past, you will see the
unmistakable pattern, that without repentance on our part, and the Lord
coming to the person, there is no change.
I think the church has sometimes gotten into a wrong concept when they
talk
about accepting Jesus into our hearts. God always makes the first move,
for
the word says that no man can come to him except the father draws him.
Then
when we see the Lord, we must repent and be willing to have God do a
changing work in our hearts as we come to the Lord, asking for
forgiveness.
Anything else becomes an intellectual exercise. Remember, our encounter
with Jesus needs to be a life exchange--that is, our old life for His new
life.
Vinny
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Scovell"
To:
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Something I discovered-forgiveness
> Kathy,
>
> I don't think we can forget. We can, on the other hand, forgive, and if
> there is genuine repentence for the lack of forgiveness on our behalf,
the
> the forgiveness works. Forgetting is God's job, not ours, because I
don't
> think we can forget.
>
> I have at least two times, in the last couple of years, found myself in
a
> situation that I needed to forgive. In one case, it was multipled, that
is,
> there were too many places to try and isolate. I prayed, asking the
Lord
> what to do, and He said, Forgive them collecti vely and then live as
though
> they were forgiven. Never use those situations against them again. I
> prayed and did what He said.
>
> In the other case, it was a source of definite eructation. Money was
also
> involved. The Lord said, forgive him and never bring it up to him
again.
I
> did so but in both cases, I haven't forgotten but I did forgive.
>
> Phil.
>
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<DIV>I think you are very right, that we all are forgiven for our sins,
but it does our hearts no good unless we recieve that forgivness right? I
mean, unless we turn to Jesus and repent, that forgivness isn't what
actually saves us...its the acceptance of the fact that we NEED forgiving
and realizing only Jesus can clean us up. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>but on the other hand... if we are harboring unforgivness, then how
different are we than the ones who sinned against us? Our unforgivness
keeps us in chains. So who is more bound? Speaking from expierience, even
though my ex didn't care to repent or ask forgivness for the things he had
done, I needed to grant the forgivness, because it had me trapped in a
cycle of anger that controlled most of my life. He couldn't care less, but
I'm freed. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>cindy<BR><BR><B><I>Vinny Samarco <[log in to unmask]></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Hi everyone,<BR>Here is a scripture that I
have never heard ministered on, either in my<BR>church, or any other.
Let's see what you all think. From Luke 17-3.<BR>Take Heed to thyselves;
if thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him:<BR>and if he repent,
forgive him;<BR>In that scripture, it does seem that there has to be some
acknowlegement of<BR>sin. Now the Lord has taken away our sin, but it does
me no good if I have<BR>never acknoledged the sin in my life.<BR>For
example. I came to the Lord, or should I really say, the Lord
revealed<BR>himself to me at a point when I was planning the end of my
life. at that<BR>time, I never acknoledged my sin nature, however, about
three months later,<BR>the Lord showed me the dispicableness of my heart,
and the terrible things I<BR>had done, and then I deeply repented and I
knew I was forgiven. So,<BR>bretheren, there is a fine line between
knowing in your head that you are<BR>forgiven, and having that ben an
actual experiential act that you have<BR>experienced personally.<BR>If you
ever read stories about the revivals in the past, you will see
the<BR>unmistakable pattern, that without repentance on our part, and the
Lord<BR>coming to the person, there is no change.<BR>I think the church
has sometimes gotten into a wrong concept when they talk<BR>about
accepting Jesus into our hearts. God always makes the first move,
for<BR>the word says that no man can come to him except the father draws
him. Then<BR>when we see the Lord, we must repent and be willing to have
God do a<BR>changing work in our hearts as we come to the Lord, asking for
forgiveness.<BR>Anything else becomes an intellectual exercise. Remember,
our encounter<BR>with Jesus needs to be a life exchange--that is, our old
life for His new<BR>life.<BR>Vinny<BR>----- Original Message
-----<BR>From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]><BR>To:
<[log in to unmask]><BR>Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005
5:32 PM<BR>Subject: Re: Something I discovered-forgiveness<BR><BR><BR>>
Kathy,<BR>><BR>> I don't think we can forget. We can, on the other
hand, forgive, and if<BR>> there is genuine repentence for the lack of
forgiveness on our behalf, the<BR>> the forgiveness works. Forgetting
is God's job, not ours, because I don't<BR>> think we can
forget.<BR>><BR>> I have at least two times, in the last couple of
years, found myself in a<BR>> situation that I needed to forgive. In
one case, it was multipled, that<BR>is,<BR>> there were too many places
to try and isolate. I prayed, asking the Lord<BR>> what to do, and He
said, Forgive them collecti vely and then live as<BR>though<BR>> they
were forgiven. Never use those situations against them again. I<BR>>
prayed and did what He said.<BR>><BR>> In the other case, it was a
source of definite eructation. Money was also<BR>>
involved. The Lord said, forgive him and never bring it up to him
again.<BR>I<BR>> did so but in both cases, I haven't forgotten but I
did forgive.<BR>><BR>> Phil.<BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><DIV>
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