Angel,
I think that the issues here may be more to do with stewardship and
temptation.
Kathy
At 08:19 PM 7/21/2005, you wrote:
>Gambling is a sin? Where does it say this in scripture. Have you never
>taken a chance. When the doctor gives you a choice between two forms of
>treatments and lays out risks and you choose one above another are you not
>gambling. Every time you make plans for tomorrow are you not gambling you
>will wake in the morning when God only gives us today and not tomorrow. We
>all of us gamble every day. The Catholic church funds it's schools through
>bingo. The children would have to pay lots more if they didn't volunteer to
>work this or another project which is church sponsored. The reason Jesus
>overturned the money changers in the temple is because they were taking
>advantage of those who went to purchase doves to sacrifice that is why he
>called those doing the selling thieves not gamblers.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Karen Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 2:43 PM
>Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
>
>
> > Yes the Catholic is grat at this. Gambling is a sin and the cathilic
>church is built on Bingo. If you work Bingo you get your education free
>from gambling. I use to work it for the catholic church oh who buy the way
>also has beer tents at all functions. It is called ST. Mary's. and Christo
>Wray. Oh and Holy Cross. All here in Lansing.
> >
> > --
> > Christ is either Lord of all or he is not Lord at all.
> > Karen Carter '74
> >
> >
> >
> > > I know Christian people who are gluttons as well. Just look at all the
>fat
> > > people in the church. Do I judge them? Gluttony is a sin according to
>St
> > > Paul. The body is the temple of the holy spirit and I know Christians
>who
> > > drink soft drinks. If a soft drink can clean the porcelain off a toilet
> > > bole I know I wouldn't want to drink it. I even went to a Christian
>church
> > > where there was a soft drink machine in the basement of the church of
>all
> > > things. The take drugs as well. They are always drinking caffeine. I
>say
> > > that to say this just what is a good witness. I really don't think we
>can
> > > really say what is a good witness for Christ when there are so many
> > > Christian hypocrites around who do not practice what they preach. There
>are
> > > a lot of male female room mates who aren't either having sex together or
> > > contemplating marriage. If people are basing their relationship with
>Christ
> > > on merely looking at how people around them live and not on their
>personal
> > > relationship with Christ they will be building their house on shifting
>sands
> > > and it will fall. ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Brad D" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:47 AM
> > > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Do we have a godly biblical example of living together before
>marriage? It
> > > > is always best, prudent and wise to bring our situations back to
>scripture
> > > > no matter how it might cut cross grain to us. Their may be situations
> > > > today that may not have existed then, but come to think of it not all
>that
> > > > many. In any event giving the appearance of evil is not only a concern
>for
> > > > ourselves, in our own conern of what people may think, but also that
>of
> > > > all Christians. What if you tried witnessing to a non-believer and
>they
> > > > said "Don't talk to me about being high and mighty or living
>righteous, I
> > > > know a christian couple who lived together before marriage, how does
>that
> > > > differ from non-Christians today?". You see we bare the responsibility
>of
> > > > wearing Christ-like across our chest when we are known as such, and
> > > > appearing as non-believers with a live-in situation doesn't seem to
>line
> > > > up biblically or doing as the Word says, to stay away from even the
> > > > appearance of sin, not to mention surposefully put ourselves in
> > > > temptations way no matter how strong we feel our faith is. Psalms 1
>says
> > > >
> > > > Ps 1:1-2
> > > > Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or
>stand
> > > > in the way of sinners
> > > > or sit in the seat of mockers. But his delight is in the law of the
>LORD,
> > > > and on his law he meditates day and night.
> > > >
> > > > Notice the progression of "walk", "stand" and "sit" it cannotes a
>gradual
> > > > decline if allowed to entertain the ideals of ideals working against
>the
> > > > law or God's Word.
> > > >
> > > > I saw a message somewhere about if one gives in to a principle as such
> > > > now, how that might affect futre decisoins and ect. I agree. What
>would
> > > > make a couple stronger, living together because of life's
>circumstances
> > > > or arranging other means until that day when no holds are preventing a
> > > > couple of living as a married one.
> > > >
> > > > Brad
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > on 02:47 AM 7/21/2005, Angel said:
> > > > I agree with you. It seems Christians today think the devil is bound
>to
> > > > win
> > > > in every situation. I think if you do live together without falling
>in to
> > > > sin it will prove to you more than anything else your love for each
>other
> > > > is
> > > > not based on mere physical attraction but instead is a heavenly godly
>love
> > > > which will last through the years. It will also serve as a testament
>of
> > > > your commitment to god's precepts. I will pray that you be constant
>in
> > > > this
> > > > commitment which I know you will and that your marriage will last as
>long
> > > > as
> > > > the firm foundation on which it will be built which is Christ.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jenifer Barr" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:36 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > what is a vow between god and two people? If we have vowed before
>God
> > > > and
> > > > > each other that sex will not occur until marriage, then why is
>living
> > > > > together a sin? We are not intimate until then. I understand
>about
> > > > > temptation but that's when you pray every day that God keeps you
> > > > strong.
> > > > >
> > > > > Our situation is unique and it's not like we haven't prayed about
> > > > it. I
> > > > > guess I'm just hurt because everyone seems to think that just
>because
> > > > we're
> > > > > going to be living together the devel is going to win. God is the
>only
> > > > one
> > > > > in control. Is this our ideal situation? no. I've been through
>too
> > > > much
> > > > > in the past to know what temptation can do to someone... and i...
>or
> > > > yet
> > > > > we... will not break our vow before god.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jenifer Barr.
> > > > > When the trumpet blows... I'm outta here!
> > > > > AIM: jenibear1998
> > > > > msn
> > > > > [log in to unmask]
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:06 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hey Jen,
> > > > > > First of all, I'm sorry that you are dealing with an
> > > > inflexible
> > > > > > pastor. I don't see what difference it makes to him whether the
> > > > cerimony
> > > > > > is big or small, before or after the civil cerimony. I suppose
>that
> > > > he
> > > > is
> > > > > > standing on something for theological reasons, but I have no clue
> > > > what
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > would be. It seems to me that you are left with three
> > > > options: switch
> > > > > > pastors, move the wedding up, or leave things as they are and
>trust
> > > > God
> > > > > > for a miracle. As a child of God, the one option that you don't
> > > > have,
> > > > is
> > > > > > to move in together. If you begin your marriage by compromising
> > > > your
> > > > > > principles on something that is truly small in the grand scheme
>of
> > > > > > things,
> > > > > > how can you be trusted for the bigger ones. Believe me, the one
> > > > thing
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > I am learning about our heavenly Father is that he is extremely
> > > > creative
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > the solution department. We often miss it because we get so
>stuck in
> > > > > > thinking that the only solutions available to us are the ones
>that we
> > > > can
> > > > > > see and we shut the door on His creativity. This is a test.
>This is
> > > > only
> > > > > > a test. The question is, will you trust Him and wait for His
> > > > solution
> > > > and
> > > > > > timing or will you continue to see with earthly eyes only what is
> > > > > > possible. Good luck on your adventure. He is faithful. Your
>task
> > > > is
> > > > to
> > > > > > remain patient and at peace! GRIN!
> > > > > > Kathy
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At 05:17 PM 7/18/2005, you wrote:
> > > > > >>Hi all. As most of you know, i am getting married in november.
>I
> > > > found
> > > > > >>out
> > > > > >>today from work that they want me to transfer in the beginning of
> > > > august.
> > > > > >>I
> > > > > >>can't tell them i won't transfer then because it is the end of
>our
> > > > fiscal
> > > > > >>year august 31 and i could forfit my job. Problem is though,
>that my
> > > > > >>fiancee and I decided that to save money... if i had to move in
> > > > september
> > > > > >>or
> > > > > >>october we would just live together until the wedding. We both
>don't
> > > > > >>really
> > > > > >>like the idea but it's like we have no choice. I don't know what
>to
> > > > do.
> > > > > >>I'm so confused... i don't know what is right and wrong. Both my
> > > > fiancee
> > > > > >>and I are born-again Christians, we will in no way have sex
>before
> > > > > >>marriage
> > > > > >>so if we made/make that pledge to god is living together before
> > > > marriage
> > > > a
> > > > > >>sin? Is it wrong? And what do i do if it is? I know of other
> > > > christian
> > > > > >>couples who have lived together before marriage. I am just so
> > > > scattered
> > > > > >>right now. Please pray for clarity for me? And above all, pray
>Gods
> > > > will
> > > > > >>be done.
> > > > > >>I love you all.
> > > > > >>Jenifer Barr.
> > > > > >>When the trumpet blows... I'm outta here!
> > > > > >>AIM: jenibear1998
> > > > > >>msn
> > > > > >>[log in to unmask]
> > > > > >
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