They're five hours ahead of us, Ken, at least in London.

Kat

ken barber wrote:

>  i personally did not suggest it, the one conducting
>the interview suggested it. i read the origional
>article that kat linked in her post. i immediatly
>posted that the article seemed to indicate that the
>bbc was as much implicated as the government.
>  of course, we all have plenty of sources to read
>becouse of the internet and can decide what to think
>of the governments involved and also what to think of
>all the media outlets.
>  in my view there is as much spinning going on by the
>media, including the bbc as is going on within the
>governments. i do not think i am mistaken and don't
>mind saying that the media can and does spin the
>"news." to put it bluntly, i trust neither governments
>nor media as far as i could toss a bull elephant.
>   government spinning, good chance that it is
>happening, the media spinning, really good chane that
>that is happening too.
>  anything i say is only one opinion. they are like
>noses everybody's got one.
>  hey deri, how many hours are you ahead of the east
>coast? if i would not be lazy i could find out, but
>easier to ask you.
>  hang in there good buddy.
>--- Deri James <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
>>On Saturday 19 Jul 2003 7:16 pm, you wrote:
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>>>kat, i never intended to dismiss the brits. sorry
>>>
>>>
>>if i
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>>>come accross that way. my intentions in the remark
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>>was
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>>>to convey the idea that the BBC has a new reality
>>>
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>>to
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>>>get accustomed too just like ABC, CBS AND NBC AND
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>>OF
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>>>COURSE CNN. that reality is that no one can now
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>>just
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>>>broadcast things and as in the past have no one
>>>challenge them. with the internet, fox news
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>>network
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>>>and all the other ways to get news, the american
>>>
>>>
>>media
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>>>is being challenged. i think the bbc is going to
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>>find
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>>>that they too will be challenged and not be
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>>immune.
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>>>the BBC is a big part 0f THIS story. i watched a
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>>bbc
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>>>reporter interviewed last night and very stiffly
>>>challenged in his remarks and bbc accused of
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>>"hounding
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>>>someone to death." that is exactly what i meant in
>>>
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>>the
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>>>statement that the bbc was implicated in this as
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>>much
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>>>as the blair government.
>>>  the brits have been our allies thru think and
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>>thin.
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>>>i'd never dismiss them.
>>>   i know blair has more challenges than bush
>>>
>>>
>>right
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>>>now. i noticed that he said he still stands by
>>>
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>>british
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>>>intelligence.
>>>history might be better to blair than the brit
>>>population though. it was certainly like that with
>>>churchhill.
>>>   please no notes that he is no churchhill. only
>>>
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>>time
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>>>will tell on that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I think you misunderstand the situation re. BBC v.
>>Government over here:-
>>
>>It is nonsensical to suggest the BBC "hounded Mr
>>O'Reilly to death", these are
>>the facts:-
>>
>>        Mr O'Reilly gave details of Intelligence
>>Service view about Governments use
>>of its report to Andrew Gilligan producing BBC
>>report critical of Government
>>"spinning" the "facts" to bolster opinion to go to
>>war.
>>
>>        He was one of several Intelligence service
>>and others used by the BBC as
>>background research to the programme.
>>
>>        The Government were unhappy with the
>>broadcast and started a witch hunt
>>trying to find who "leaked".
>>
>>        Mr O'Reilly voluntarily informed his boss of
>>his meeting with Andrew
>>Gilligan.
>>
>>        The government claimed he was the mole and
>>called on the BBC to name their
>>sources, the MOD (undoubtedly at Ministers
>>insistence) switched his duties to
>>do virtually nothing all day.
>>
>>        A Select Committee enquiry "grilled" Mr
>>O'Reilly for a complete day - July
>>15th (the government sponsored members were
>>particularly rude and beligerent
>>- see
>>
>>
>>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/cta/events03/ukpol/iraq/foreign15jul.ram)
>
>
>>however the Report completely exonerated him and the
>>reprehensible behaviour
>>of the MOD was strongly criticised.
>>
>>As far as I'm aware the BBC made no further contact
>>with Mr O'Reilly after his
>>initial meeting at the end of May, so it is comical
>>for anyone to suggest the
>>BBC "hounded" the man at all. Although the
>>government would love to plant
>>that seed in public opinion.
>>
>>Real Power at the BBC is found at the Middle
>>Management layer since the
>>program makers/producers have always had editorial
>>independence, this
>>infuriates whichever party is in power, since,
>>unlike other media sources,
>>they can't "court" the captain and expect the whole
>>crew to toe the line. An
>>example of this is the current Communications Bill
>>which has been crafted to
>>specifically allow Rupert Murdoch to buy a
>>Terrestrial Channel (since, under
>>current legislation he is banned from owning more
>>than a certain % of UK
>>media coverage.) I am sure Mr Blair is expecting the
>>support of the Murdoch
>>stable of Newspapers and TV channels at the next
>>Election.
>>
>>Cheers
>>
>>Deri
>>
>>PS I am surprised you didn't include Fox and Sky in
>>your list above, both of
>>which have recently been caught "fabricating" the
>>
>>
>news!!!
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