yes, mike. i agree. we do better at challenging the
nation when we are not dominating. you know it is a
problem in that we are responsible to participate as
conscience dictates, but, not to try to dominate. i do
not know the answer to that problem.
--- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I'll say it again, Christianity was never meant to
> be a national faith.
> Because it is, though, we have such instances as
> pagan reaming pagan, and
> Christian reaming Christian. The sad fact is that
> when Christianity becomes
> the national faith, it tends to dominate; once it
> dominates, it loses its
> self, its mission, and its ability to challenge the
> status quo.
>
> It is this inability to challenge the real status
> quo that I find so
> disquieting if not disgusting among some
> conservative Christians today. It
> is so easy to compartmentalize one's life, to say
> this, this, and this I'll
> let Christianity touch, but not this attitude or
> idea. The movie "Breach"
> is an example of this. We then have examples like
> Wilburforce in "Amazing
> Grace" who didn't compartmentalize their attitudes,
> but rather let
> Christianity challenge all of them.
>
> I could go on and on about this. I should know, I
> was a conservative until
> about 10 years ago, when I saw what the conservative
> movement was doing to
> itself. I know consider myself a Christian
> independent; with the emphasis on
> Christian, not political party.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Trisha Cummings
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:24 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Another question... (My diatribe)
>
> You know Ken,
>
> The probelm is not that the US isn't a Christian
> Nation - it is ask =
> any non-Christian - they are a better judge of the
> Christianness than =
> any Christain - its that it never your kind of
> Christian . And you can =
> debate that into obliven - since the Council of
> Nicae in 325 AD never =
> have Christian come up a universal view - hence the
> 1500 differents =
> versions of Christianity. Several good links about
> the Council of Nicea =
> are
> http://www.gotquestions.org/Constantine-Bible.html
> and =
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
> also =
> http://www.probe.org/content/view/790/91/ These
> are good educational =
> links - I got over my frothing at the mouth about
> Christianity about the =
> time I realzed the probelem is not the philosophy
> but but the people. I =
> just got reamed out for letting Amber read the Bible
> as a child by a =
> Fundementalist Pagan - I spend much time now -
> trying for peace and a =
> live and let live idea. So there you have it - a
> Pagan defending your =
> right to your beliefs - Frankly I would ban religion
> but then people =
> would just fight over something else. Poor God - his
> heart must hurt =
> that his children act so silly.
>
>
> Trisha=20
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf
> Of ken barber
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 2:12 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Another question... (My diatribe)
>
>
> you know i am not going to cuss you out mike. your
> opinion is as good as anyone else. but, i must tell
> you i do not view america as a christian nation. i
> view it as a post christian nation. you are right
> about it not being christian. i think you are wrong
> when you say it never was. i think at one time it
> was.
> there are lots of things in our national government
> that is not christian.=20
> Jesus said his kingdom was not earthly and so it is
> not, but, the prophets do say that there will one
> day
> be an earthly kingdom and predicts Jesus to rule
> with
> a "rod of iron." that tells me he is not ging to put
> up with much oposition.=20
>
> to the non-christians on the list i appologize. if
> you'd like, i can discuss theology with mike off
> list.
>
>
> --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > This one is rhetorical and I don't expect anyone
> to
> > answer... Since we say
> > the U.S. is a CHRISTIAN nation, our leader then
> > ultimately has to be Jesus,
> > right? What then would Jesus have done in the
> wake
> > of 9/11, as opposed to
> > what actually happened? =20
> >=20
> > My point is this (and Ken, you can cuss me out if
> > you want), our civic
> > religion is basically a mishmash, not
> Christianity.=20
> > Here is how it boils
> > down to me. Take one heaping helping of
> > nationalism; add two scoops of
> > national preservation; add three cloves of self
> > righteousness; sprinkle two
> > or three Bible verses very, very lightly, and
> fold.
> > Add theological sayings,
> > and fold again. Bake in the hot air of political
> > lyrical discourse until
> > well done, and enjoy it while blowing bubbles of
> > happiness.
> >=20
> > I know, I'm cynical, but I get so sick and tired
> of
> > the clich=E9 "America (the
> > U.S.) is a Christian Nation." IT NEVER WAS. It
> was
> > and is a religious
> > nation with Christian undertones, but every nation
> > is shaped by the faith of
> > most of the important citizens. The Christian
> faith
> > was never meant to be
> > the faith of the majority. It is, here, though,
> > and we have to put up with
> > some anti-Christian ideas from "Christian
> > policymakers" in order to live
> > here.
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