Here is a "fact" from observation and experience. Soldiers love to
"bitch". It's an art form for them, and if they weren't complaining
then we would know that they were really in trouble emotionally.
Every unit has an emotional support unit--down to the smallest Reserve
and National Guard company. We have FSGs (Family Support Groups) that
attend to the needs of the soldiers and their families while the soldier
is deployed and after he/she returns. The mainstream press is not
telling the entire story about the care received. We have, in fact,
learned our lessons about PTSD from the Vietnam experience.
WWII was a different situation than Vietnam: Entire units deployed
together (as they do now) instead of filling attrited slots with new
soldiers and marines. The trip home was by truck and boat and could
take weeks to months, allowing for decompression from combat. In
Vietnam you could be in the field on Monday and be in your hometown on
Friday. The economy after WWII was like a loaded slingshot waiting to
fire. WWII vets returned to an economy where there were more jobs than
people to fill them. The GI bill allowed hundreds of thousands to
purchase homes at a much younger age than their parents. Vietnam vets
returned to an economy that was staggering under inflation and the death
of "rust belt" jobs.
I know this stuff because I teach it--to the same Officer Candidates
that will eventually go to the sandbox. I wouldn't teach them something
that I haven't researched and know to be true.
Kyle
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of Linda Walker
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:12 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: disgusting behavior
They can get it but not if they want promotions. At least that's what
they tell me.
At 04:43 PM 10/29/2007, you wrote:
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>that's very bad that they can't get counseling! stupid! =0A
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>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Linda
Walke=
>r <[log in to unmask]>=0ATo: [log in to unmask]:
Monday, O=
>ctober 29, 2007 7:23:42 PM=0ASubject: Re: disgusting behavior=0A=0AMany
of =
>the soldiers being deployed are at Schofield next to where I =0Alive. I
fee=
>l like I live on a military base here. We rent units to =0Asoldiers
and to=
> private contractors who are also serving there. I =0Ahave been
dealing wit=
>h their problems as they come home. I am sure I =0Ahave talked to more
of t=
>hem than most American civilians. I have =0Aoften talked to them about
whet=
>her or not they are going to re enlist =0Aand other things. Believe me
when=
> I say these young men and women are =0Acoming back very distraught
and des=
>troyed and they cannot seek any =0Apsychological counseling without it
nega=
>tively impacting their service record.=0A=0AAt 01:42 PM 10/29/2007, you
wro=
>te:=0A>Linda, I think your politics are showing. I don't believe this
fell=
>ow=3D=0A> was a veteran of any current conflict. The article referred
to =
>a 'brie=3D=0A>f army stint'. I do believe the Guardian was trying to
capit=
>alize on=3D=0A> his military service and subliminally link his
military se=
>rvice to his=3D=0A> crime without having to outright establish the
connect=
>ion--but that's=3D=0A> typical of yellow journalism, both liberal and
cons=
>ervative. PTSD may=3D=0A> tear a mind down, but it doesn't turn whole
gro=
>ups of vets into cold-he=3D=0A>arted brutes. How many vets do you
know? H=
>ow many have you talked to=3D=0A> about their experiences--or are you
just=
> repeating what you've been tol=3D=0A>d by the proponents of a
particular p=
>olitical agenda?=0A>=3D20=0A>War is brutal to soldier and civilian
alike, b=
>ut you can't make sweeping=3D=0A> generalizations about post-bellum
behavi=
>or. If your prediction were=3D=0A> based in fact, we would have never
rec=
>overed from the second World War.=3D=0A> My father, who served in two
conf=
>licts, Korea and Vietnam, would have=3D=0A> taken out his
war-generated an=
>gst on his family, right? A retired US=3D=0A> Marine Lieutenant
Colonel, =
>he is the kindest, most gentle man I've ever=3D=0A> known.
=3D20=0A>=3D20=
>=0A>War is supposed to be brutal, violent. It is such an admission of
fail=
>u=3D=0A>re and is testimony to the true nature of humankind. The
military =
>is=3D=0A> a blunt instrument--a hammer, where everything is a nail.
But n=
>obody=3D=0A> wants war less than the best soldier.=0A>=3D20=0A>Three
years=
> is harsh? In most US states this would be conspiracy to
man=3D=0A>slaught=
>er and would have received 10-15 with parole at 7. I highly
doub=3D=0A>t t=
>hat castigation from his neighbors is going to enhance his
contrition.=0A>=
>=3D20=0A>Kyle
Cleveland=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A>=0A>From=
>: Cerebral Palsy List on behalf of Linda Walker=0A>Sent: Mon 10/29/2007
4:2=
>0 PM=0A>To: [log in to unmask]>Subject: Re: disgusting
behavior=
>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>War brutalizes people and so get ready for a crime wave
lik=
>e we have=0A>never seen as these traumatized soldiers come home.
Disgusting=
> isn''t=0A>strong enough.=0A>=0A>At 10:08 AM 10/29/2007, you
wrote:=0A> >*M=
>artin Wainw=3D3D=0A> >=0A> >Jail for ex-soldier who urinated on dying
disab=
>led woman=3D3D0A=3D3D0A*Mart=3D=0A>in Wainw=3D3D=0A>
>right=3D3D0ASaturday =
>October 27, 2007=3D3D0AThe Guardian <http://www.guardi=3D=0A>an
.co.u=3D3D>=
>k/>*=3D3D0A=3D3D0AA drunken former soldier who urinated on a
=0A>disabled n=
>eigh=3D=0A>bour as =3D3D=0A> >she lay=3D3D0Adying after a fall in the
stree=
>t was jailed for three years=3D=0A> yeste=3D3D=0A> >rday
and=3D3D0Atold th=
>at he and his friends had shamed a town. Anthony=3D=0A>
Anderson=3D3D=0A> =
> >, 27, and a=3D3D0Agroup of friends who filmed the humiliation of
Christin=
>=3D=0A>e Laki=3D3D=0A> >nski on a=3D3D0Amobile phone, have been
cold-should=
>ered in Hartlepool and=3D=0A> turne=3D3D=0A> >d away from=3D3D0Ashops
and =
>neighbours' homes.=3D3D0A=3D3D0AThey were castiga=3D=0A>ted by a
j=3D3D=0A>=
> >udge and police at a brief court hearing which=3D3D0Awas told that
their=
>=3D=0A> "almos=3D3D=0A> >t unbelievable" behaviour had turned the
lesson o=
>f=3D3D0Athe Good Samarit=3D=0A>an on =3D3D=0A> >its head. Ms Lakinski,
a 50=
>-year-old bent by a spine=3D3D0Adeformity and=3D=0A> bullie=3D3D=0A>
>d fo=
>r most of her life, had also been covered in shaving=3D3D0Afoam
and=3D=0A> =
> kicked =3D3D=0A> >to "make her wake up".=3D3D0A=3D3D0AArticle
continues<ht=
>tp://www.guardian=3D=0A> .co.uk/cr=3D3D>ime/ article/0, ,2200320,
00.html#=
>article_ =0A> continue>=3D3D0A------------=3D=0A> -------=3D3D=0A> >--
---=
>------=3D3D0A------------ --------- ---------=3D3D0ADuring the
episod=3D=0A=
> >e in Jul=3D3D=0A> >y, which lasted almost half an hour, none of
the=3D3D0A=
>group called an=3D=0A> ambulanc=3D3D=0A> >e to help Ms Lakinski, who
had c=
>ollapsed while=3D3D0Acarrying shopping=3D=0A> home and=3D3D=0A> > hit
her=
> head. Only 20 minutes later, when=3D3D0AAnderson, the
phone-fil=3D=0A>mer =
>Sim=3D3D=0A> >on Whitehead and several others had dressed to=3D3D0Ago
out t=
>o a nightclu=3D=0A>b, was=3D3D=0A> > a 999 call finally made.
Paramedics w=
>ere unable=3D3D0Ato revive Ms Laki=3D=0A>nski, b=3D3D=0A> >ut the call
enab=
>led police to trace one of the=3D3D0Agroup, Scott Clement=3D=0A>,
whic=3D3D=
>=0A> >h led to Anderson's arrest at a local club
within=3D3D0Ahours.=3D3D0A=
>=3D3D0AH=3D=0A>e admitted=3D3D=0A> > outraging public decency and
apologis=
>ed through his barrister at=3D3D0A=3D=0A>Teessid=3D3D=0A> >e crown
court fo=
>r actions which he said he still could not
explain.=3D3D0=3D=0A>A=3D3D0ATh=
>=3D3D=0A> >e court heard that Ms Lakinski lived opposite a house in
Raby Ro=
>ad whic=3D=0A>h=3D3D0A=3D3D=0A> >Anderson shared with another man, who
had =
>been smoking cannabis and dri=3D=0A>nkin=3D3D=0A> >g=3D3D0Aheavily with
him=
> all afternoon. Anderson went out in shorts with=3D=0A> a
towe=3D3D=0A> >l=
>=3D3D0Around his waist when he saw Ms Lakinski slumped on the
pavement.=3D=
>=0A>=3D3D0A=3D3D0AS=3D3D=0A> >ue Jacobs, prosecuting, said Anderson
first k=
>icked the helpless woman=3D=0A> and=3D3D=0A> >=3D3D0Awhen she groaned
but =
>failed to move or open her eyes, fetched a=3D=0A> bowl of=3D3D=0A>
>=3D3D0=
>Awater and threw it over her. "Apparently urged on by the fact
that=3D=0A> =
> Scott=3D3D=0A> >=3D3D0AClement and Simon Whitehead found this
amusing, you=
> then stated=3D=0A> that you=3D3D=0A> >=3D3D0Awere going to urinate
on her=
>. Simon Whitehead cleared space on his=3D=0A> mobil=3D3D=0A>
>e=3D3D0Aand =
>recorded Anderson urinating all over Christine's body." One=3D=0A> of
the =
>=3D3D=0A> >group=3D3D0Ashouted: 'This is YouTube
material.'"=3D3D0A=3D3D0AJ=
>udge Peter=3D=0A> Fox, the rec=3D3D=0A> >order of Middlesbrough, told
Ande=
>rson he had plumbed=3D3D0Athe depths of=3D=0A> degrad=3D3D=0A> >ation
and =
>brought shame on the people of Hartlepool. He=3D3D0Asaid: "This=3D=0A>
cou=
>rt=3D3D=0A> > can do nothing to repair what you did, only pass
a=3D3D0Asen=
>tence that=3D=0A> is righ=3D3D=0A> >t in all the circumstances - three
yea=
>rs imprisonment. "=3D3D0A=3D3D0AAnder=3D=0A>son, une=3D3D=0A> >mployed
afte=
>r brief army service, has previous convictions
for=3D3D0Aille=3D=0A>gally =
>=3D3D=0A> >importing cigarettes, obstructing a police officer and
driving=
>=3D3D0Aoffe=3D=0A>nces.=3D3D=0A> >=3D3D0A
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>D=0A> >ERV.ICORS.ORG=3D3D0ASent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:20:28
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>ASubjec=3D=0A>t: Re: s=3D3D=0A>
>onocur=3D3D0A=3D3D0AKen,=3D3D0A=3D3D0AIt's=
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cover=
> it, as it's=3D3D0Astill listed as "experimental." I thought
abou=3D=0A>t =
>your =3D3D=0A> >arms when Janet's doc=3D3D0Afirst mentioned
this.=3D3D0A=3D=
>3D0A=3D3D0AOn 10/27/=3D=0A>07, ken barb=3D3D=0A> >er
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>wrote:=3D3D0A>=3D3D0A> you know this might help=3D=0A> me. that
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> >s what i have going=3D3D0A> on from my fingers to the neck from
repetitiv=
>=3D=0A>e stre=3D3D=0A> >ss.=3D3D0A> of course the government is blaming
min=
>e on cp,=3D3D0A> but,hop=3D=0A>efully i=3D3D=0A> >'ll win this last
appeal.=
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unreasonab=
>le one=3D3D0A> persists in trying to=3D=0A> adapt th=3D3D=0A> >e world
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>himself. Therefore, all progress=3D3D0A> depends on the
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