well some of the things he did to get elected to the
ILLinois legislature are beginnging to come out.
--- "Kendall D. Corbett" <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> Kyle, exactly! Cheney is the master of
> Machiavellianism, IMHO and, also
> IMHO, he's the "brains" of the outfit. I'd have
> been more inclined to have
> gone along with the Iraq war if the strategic
> importance of it's placement
> had been emphasized, as well as the atrocities
> perpetrated by Saddam against
> his own people. Don't know if you've read
> Hockenberry's "Moving
> Violations," but he talks about being in Baghdad
> during and immediately
> after Desert Storm, and the human rights abuses he
> describes were appalling.
>
> Mag, I don't think Hillary is any more Machivellian
> than most of the others
> running. As a matter of fact, I think Obama may be
> the least Machiavellian,
> and as weird as it sounds, I trust him less because
> of it. My feeling is
> that with a president who puts his or her own
> interests first, we at least
> know where they'll stand, even if we don't like it.
> Obama hasn't sold out,
> but I kind of wonder what price will be paid for his
> soul. But there I'm
> being extremely cynical.
>
>
> On 1/10/08, Cleveland, Kyle E.
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > Kendall,
> >
> > I don't think Dubya is terribly Machiavellian in
> and of himself. Cheney
> > and that scoundrel Rumsfeld on the other hand...
> >
> > Here's a thought about Iraq and Machiavellianism:
> We went to war on the
> > lamest of "public" excuses. However--and maybe
> this is the military man in
> > me speaking--we have 125K+ troops in a country
> that borders three of the
> > four countries having direct involvement in the
> events of 9/11: Syria, Iran
> > and Saudi Arabia. It makes perfect strategic
> sense to me.
> >
> > Kyle
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List on behalf of Kendall D.
> Corbett
> > Sent: Thu 1/10/2008 2:51 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Obama experience
> >
> >
> >
> > Machiavelli said "it is better to be feared than
> loved, if you cannot be
> > both." There are many that say the present
> administration is the most
> > Machiavellian in the history of the US. All
> politicians seem to follow
> > Machiavelli to an extent, but what of those who
> consciously try to not
> > appear to be Machiavellian? Are they not the most
> duplicitous of all?
> >
> > On Jan 10, 2008 5:51 AM, Cleveland, Kyle E. <
> > [log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not so sure it was either passion or
> self-pity that provoked the
> > > tears. I think it may possibly have been a
> calculated action to show
> > > she's not "calculating". She has a rep for
> being cold, ya know.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> > > Of Kathy
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:30 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: Obama experience
> > >
> > > Humph, just because a woman cries, it's a
> negative thing -- it wasn't a
> > > pity
> > > party!
> > >
> > > (and besides, she won, so it doesn't seem to
> have hurt her chances in
> > > the
> > > caucus.)
> > >
> > > Kat
> > >
> > >
> --------------------------------------------------
> > > From: "ken barber" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:19 AM
> > > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.c-palsy
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: Re: Obama experience
> > >
> > > > looked like a pity party to me.
> > > >
> > > > --- Tamar Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I didn't see the entire hilary thing, but
> what I did
> > > >> see was not crying! I saw hilary being
> passionate
> > > >> about the issues she says she cares about.
> There is
> > > >> a difference guys!
> > > >>
> > > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >> http://www.zazzle.com/TamarMag*
> > > >> Tamar Mag Raine
> > > >> [log in to unmask]
> > > >> www.cafepress.com/tamarmag
> > > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message ----
> > > >> From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >> To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 6:55:29 PM
> > > >> Subject: Re: Obama experience
> > > >>
> > > >> well Virginia, you told me something I did
> not know
> > > >> about LBJ.
> > > >> WAR ON POVERTY..LOOKS LIKE POVETY WON!
> > > >>
> > > >> WATCHING THE RETURNS, RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE
> > > >> hILLARY'S DEMISE MIGHT HAVE BEEN EXAGERATED.
> > > >>
> > > >> sorry i can't seem to keep my fingers off the
> caps
> > > >> lock for some reason.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --- Virginia Perry <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Ken,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > As I understand it, LBJ's health was a
> factor. He
> > > >> > didn't want the American public to lose
> another
> > > >> > sitting president so soon after Kennedy.
> One of my
> > > >> > sources says LBJ had an actuarial study
> done in
> > > >> 1967
> > > >> > to see how long he had to live. In fact, he
> died
> > > >> in
> > > >> > January 1973, so his instinct in that was
> pretty
> > > >> > accurate. Of course, his party wasn't very
> > > >> > supportive, either, due to all the flak LBJ
> was
> > > >> > taking on Vietnam. I sometimes wonder what
> he
> > > >> could
> > > >> > have accomplished if he hadn't been saddled
> with
> > > >> > Vietnam -- if he'd been able to really
> focus on
> > > >> his
> > > >> > War on Poverty.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > But I guess my overall point was that
> experience
> > > >> > shouldn't always be THE deciding factor in
> an
> > > >> > election.> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:03:18
> -0700>
> > > >> > From: [log in to unmask]> Subject:
> Re:
> > > >> Obama
> > > >> > experience> To: [log in to unmask]>
> >
> > > >> > Virginia, et al,> > Carter ran in '76 as an
> > > >> "outside
> > > >> > the Beltway" candidate, and relied on his>
> > > >> executive
> > > >> > experience in Georgia. Reagan ran as an
> "outside
> > > >> the
>
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