i have said for some times when ask why iraq first
that one only has to look at the map.
--- "Cleveland, Kyle E."
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Kendall,
>
> I don't think Dubya is terribly Machiavellian in and
> of himself. Cheney and that scoundrel Rumsfeld on
> the other hand...
>
> Here's a thought about Iraq and Machiavellianism:
> We went to war on the lamest of "public" excuses.
> However--and maybe this is the military man in me
> speaking--we have 125K+ troops in a country that
> borders three of the four countries having direct
> involvement in the events of 9/11: Syria, Iran and
> Saudi Arabia. It makes perfect strategic sense to
> me.
>
> Kyle
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Cerebral Palsy List on behalf of Kendall D.
> Corbett
> Sent: Thu 1/10/2008 2:51 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Obama experience
>
>
>
> Machiavelli said "it is better to be feared than
> loved, if you cannot be
> both." There are many that say the present
> administration is the most
> Machiavellian in the history of the US. All
> politicians seem to follow
> Machiavelli to an extent, but what of those who
> consciously try to not
> appear to be Machiavellian? Are they not the most
> duplicitous of all?
>
> On Jan 10, 2008 5:51 AM, Cleveland, Kyle E.
> <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm not so sure it was either passion or self-pity
> that provoked the
> > tears. I think it may possibly have been a
> calculated action to show
> > she's not "calculating". She has a rep for being
> cold, ya know.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> > Of Kathy
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:30 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Obama experience
> >
> > Humph, just because a woman cries, it's a negative
> thing -- it wasn't a
> > pity
> > party!
> >
> > (and besides, she won, so it doesn't seem to have
> hurt her chances in
> > the
> > caucus.)
> >
> > Kat
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "ken barber" <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:19 AM
> > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.c-palsy
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: Obama experience
> >
> > > looked like a pity party to me.
> > >
> > > --- Tamar Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I didn't see the entire hilary thing, but what
> I did
> > >> see was not crying! I saw hilary being
> passionate
> > >> about the issues she says she cares about.
> There is
> > >> a difference guys!
> > >>
> > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >> http://www.zazzle.com/TamarMag*
> > >> Tamar Mag Raine
> > >> [log in to unmask]
> > >> www.cafepress.com/tamarmag
> > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message ----
> > >> From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> To: [log in to unmask]
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 6:55:29 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: Obama experience
> > >>
> > >> well Virginia, you told me something I did not
> know
> > >> about LBJ.
> > >> WAR ON POVERTY..LOOKS LIKE POVETY WON!
> > >>
> > >> WATCHING THE RETURNS, RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE
> > >> hILLARY'S DEMISE MIGHT HAVE BEEN EXAGERATED.
> > >>
> > >> sorry i can't seem to keep my fingers off the
> caps
> > >> lock for some reason.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- Virginia Perry <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Ken,
> > >> >
> > >> > As I understand it, LBJ's health was a
> factor. He
> > >> > didn't want the American public to lose
> another
> > >> > sitting president so soon after Kennedy. One
> of my
> > >> > sources says LBJ had an actuarial study done
> in
> > >> 1967
> > >> > to see how long he had to live. In fact, he
> died
> > >> in
> > >> > January 1973, so his instinct in that was
> pretty
> > >> > accurate. Of course, his party wasn't very
> > >> > supportive, either, due to all the flak LBJ
> was
> > >> > taking on Vietnam. I sometimes wonder what he
> > >> could
> > >> > have accomplished if he hadn't been saddled
> with
> > >> > Vietnam -- if he'd been able to really focus
> on
> > >> his
> > >> > War on Poverty.
> > >> >
> > >> > But I guess my overall point was that
> experience
> > >> > shouldn't always be THE deciding factor in an
> > >> > election.> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:03:18
> -0700>
> > >> > From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re:
> > >> Obama
> > >> > experience> To: [log in to unmask]> >
> > >> > Virginia, et al,> > Carter ran in '76 as an
> > >> "outside
> > >> > the Beltway" candidate, and relied on his>
> > >> executive
> > >> > experience in Georgia. Reagan ran as an
> "outside
> > >> the
> > >> > Beltway"> candidate in 1980, and relied on
> his
> > >> > executive experience as Governor of>
> California.
> > >> > Clinton ran as an "outside the Beltway"
> candidate
> > >> in
> > >> > '92, and> relied on his executive experience
> as
> > >> > governor of Arkansas. Johnson had a> lot of
> > >> > Washington experience, and was vice president
> > >> under
> > >> > Kennedy, which> helped him a lot in his
> election
> > >> in
> > >> > 1964. It would have been interesting to> see
> what
> > >> > would have happened if LBJ had run in '68.>
> On Jan
> > >> > 4, 2008 5:40 PM, Virginia Perry
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> > wrote:> > > Historical note: Nixon won his
> first
> > >> > term as president at least partly> > because
> he
> > >> ran
> > >> > as the more experienced candidate (he'd been
> > >> > vice-president> > before). More experience
> can be
> > >> > better, but it isn't always a guarantee of> >
> > >> > quality
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
>
_________________________________________________________________
> > >> > Share life as it happens with the new Windows
> > >> Live.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
>
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