you are right they, but those of us that are unstesdy
pwd will never get close to seeing some sights. i hope
if you ever go to the canyon, that amber is steady
enough to enjoy it.  
--- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Actually, Ken - I wouldn't have guard rails - if you
> are stupid enough
> to get to close to the edge and fall over - it's
> your own fault - half
> of what is wrong with society is we baby people and
> don't make them
> responsible for their actions or make excuses for
> them. You can't
> mollycoddle people so they are safe forever and life
> is not fair -
> people today think that they should have everything,
> they should be safe
> in their cars no matter how stupid they drive, etc.
> And if this doesn't
> happen - its someone's else fault and they need to
> make a law so that
> people wear their seat belts - cars have air bags -
> or sue someone or
> declare bankruptcy etc. Cars, ideas and guns aren't
> dangerous until they
> get in the hands of idiots - which is a large
> portion of the population.
> Also people really want to stay in their comfort
> zones and forward
> thinking people with new ideas have had to fight to
> get every single
> improvement from the flat earth theory- to women
> being property -
> changed. It's always different if it's you - so you
> want to make sure
> you get your disability rights - but gay people
> shouldn't have their
> rights - Rights I think should be for everyone - as
> long as someone is
> not being harmed - same gender marriage hurts no one
> - rape hurts
> everyone. Children are to be protected - they are
> the future. What you
> and many people want is everything spelled out and
> certain and everyone
> being a cookie cutter person and safe. Ain't going
> to happen - can't
> make it happen. This kind of stagnation spells the
> end. We grow thru
> change - and people hate change and  fight change -
> which is why it
> takes generations before - we get actually get an
> across the board
> change - look at the people still fighting the civil
> war .....  sheesh
> 
> 
>                       Trisha
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of ken barber
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:13 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: actually linda is right
> 
> you would not remove the guard rails that are at the
> cliff edges at the grand canyon because of what is
> likely to happen. 
> 
> you don't ignore the slippery slope that is there
> because it is prudent to look at what is likely to
> happen. 
> 
> nothing to do with morals; everything to do with
> good
> common sense. 
> 
> --- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Ken,
> > 
> >   You know the one thing I learned while I was
> > teaching in that
> > Christian private school - is those people are
> very
> > sincere in their
> > beliefs - and no I never mentioned I am Pagan nor
> > argued with one thing
> > said. As I said I learned they honestly and
> > sincerely believe what they
> > believe. And so it is everyone - so why would
> anyone
> > think they would
> > bring you around to their way of thinking - we can
> > never change anyone's
> > mind - they have see beyond the horizon of their
> > boundaries - a
> > uncomfortable play to be. 
> > 
> > I have no problem with gay marriages - if polygamy
> > were a voluntary
> > state - not a brainwasher slave state - I could
> > perhaps see it but for
> > the most part since we have no positive role
> models
> > here - it's hard to
> > make a judgement on it. I can see jealousy being a
> > major factor in it
> > not being successful. I really don't think anyone
> > backs pedifiles. Of
> > course you do have some laws for young marriages.
> I
> > think the thing is
> > view each item on its own merits and not lump them
> > together because it
> > might lead down a slippery slope - blanket
> > com=ndemning things - could
> > be seen as going down a slippery slope also.
> > 
> >               Oooops got to run.....         
> Trisha
> > (who is taking her
> > Mom shopping)
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> > Of ken barber
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 4:36 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: actually linda is right
> > 
> > actually linda is right on the fact that i do not
> > post
> > much of controversy direct to the list as much as
> i
> > once did. i am following the advice that i give my
> > son
> > "choose your fights well and be sure they are
> worth
> > the efford you are going to have to put in them."
> i
> > post many things to about 3 or 4 people who for
> the
> > most part do not agreee with my opinions, but that
> i
> > 
> > know are not going to attack me for having my
> > opinions. 
> >   the last time i posted on an issue like this
> one,
> > it
> > was entwined in with a discussion of not only
> > polygamy
> > but gay rights and other alternative lifestyles.
> > when
> > i said "many adults wanted sex with children" i
> was
> > accused of "hate speech." after that post i got
> > quite
> > a load of off list email(from the tolerate
> liberals
> > on
> > the list) and if you want to know hate speech you
> > should have been able to read a few of those. that
> > lead me to post my "i will not be intimidated" by
> > this
> > tactic email. 
> >   now, since the subject is out here, these people
> > are
> > Pedophiles. they are like a nest of vermin. you
> > attack
> > them in one place and they just move to another
> and
> > produce anotherr nest. 
> >    linda's opinion that officials at the mormon
> > church
> > publicly  critisize polygamay while giving it a
> wink
> > and a nod my  indeed be true. i can neither
> confirm
> > nor disprove it. i know that the mormons that i
> > personally know do not like it.  the law
> enforcement
> > and  politicos from arizona and utah might could
> > have
> > given texas a "heads up" if they knew these people
> > were in texas. every state has their own law
> > enforcement.
> >    like i said these are Pedophiles. this bunch
> > hides
> > behind "religion." 
> >    when you talk of pedophiles though, you have to
> > go
> > after them all. you also talk of the judges who
> turn
> > these convicted beast loose back on the streets
> (and
> > back on our kids) with little or no years in jail.
> > you
> > talk of the states where a few politicos block
> > passage
> 
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