and i do try not to be wasteful with energy. it is
best to be thrifty with it even if only to save
yourself some money. 

--- kat <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> My point is, not to debate so much on the *cause* as
> to  do what we can 
> to deal with it.  I think we need to stop all this
> going back and forth 
> about what is causing the global warming and to stop
> wasting so much 
> energy and seriously start conserving our resources.
>  It doesn't matter 
> if it's from a natural cyclical changes or our fault
> because either way, 
> our resources are finite and that's what we need to
> focus on.  That's 
> why I like Al Gore's presentations - because he
> gives tips on what we as 
> individuals and groups can do, not argue for hours
> on end on the causes.
> 
> We need to urge companies to go green and we need to
> urge our 
> politicians to go green.  I really think we get too
> mired in this debate 
> and forget the most important part - the activism.
> 
> Kat
> 
> Peter Hunsberger wrote:
> > On 9/19/07, kat <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >   
> >> For Ken: 
> http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0920/p14s01-sten.html
> >>
> >> And to weigh in on the debate, I planet myself
> firmly in the middle - I
> >> don't think we humans are necessarily the main
> cause of global warming
> >>     
> >
> > The thing that matters is that humans have tipped
> the global cycles
> > over what is known as an inflection point.  Think
> of it this way: for
> > millions of years the planet has been going
> through regular solar
> > variations and adapted many ways to compensate for
> this.  It's like a
> > well balanced teeter totter.  Sometimes a little
> hot, sometimes a
> > little cold, but always swinging back and forth. 
> Then humans come
> > along and start piling a huge amount of green
> house gases on one end
> > of the teeter totter.  The teeter totter isn't
> going to go back into
> > the normal back and forth pattern without some
> help on the other end
> > of the teeter totter.  Humans might not be the
> main cause for the
> > teeter totter going back and forth, but we are the
> main reason it's
> > going to stop going back and forth unless we do
> something about it.
> >
> >   
> >> (we haven't been on this planet long enough to be
> accurate in  our
> >> records regarding cyclical data)
> >>     
> >
> > What may seem surprising is that we can be
> accurate in figuring out
> > the cycles of the global climate teeter totter
> going back tens of
> > thousands of years without human recorded climate
> records.  Rather we
> > can measure the amounts of various radioactive
> isotopes in various
> > geological samples.  The one you hear about most
> often being ice cores
> > from Antarctica.  The ratios of these various
> isotopes can tell us
> > things like temperatures, green house gas
> concentrations and
> > geological age.  Nature has been kind enough to
> provide us with all
> > the records we need going back over 400, 000
> years:
> >
> > 
>
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/icecore/antarctica/vostok/vostok.html
> >
> > (or search on NOAA antarctic ice cores if you want
> to get into more
> > detail, though many of the 1st links are a bit
> old).
> >
> >   
> >> but I also think we certainly don't
> >> help matters any in the way we are using up the
> planet's resources - we
> >> all need to slow down and each do our part to
> conserve energy and think
> >> about how our activities affect the physical
> world.  When we have
> >> another Ice Age, how are we going to cope?
> >>     
> >
> > Sooner than that: how are we going to have enough
> resources when 1
> > billion + Chinese people start to have life styles
> similar to North
> > Americans?
> >
> >   
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