well elizabeth, i'd certainly be in favor of war
chrimes trials just like the nazis got.
and these guys will get a trial by the military and
have an appeal right to the 2nd highest court in the
u.s. i think that is plenty.
well my brother is in now and waterboarding is part of
the training at least for the special forces where he
is.
by the way if you were captured by these guys, you'd
likely lose your head like the others that have been
captured, not be accorded the rights of the Geneva
convention. these guys shoot school children in the
back.
i think the left wants to coddle them because that is
the way it looks.
you tell me how you'd get information out of them. let
me set the picture for you. some terrorist have
attacked in a group of 5 and have taken your (sister,
brother, mother, dad, or whatever relative you want to
put in the blank) hostage. but the cops were lucky and
captured one of the 5 terrorist leaving your loved one
in the hands of the other 4. they have called and
threatened to kill your wife, hubby, or whatever. you
are given the decision on how to deal with the
captured terrorist to find out where the other 4 took
your loved one. okay guys give me your plan.
i have avoided the they have a bomb in an american
city thing, now it is your loved one. how do you do
it?
i'll be waiting.
--- Elizabeth Thiers <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Why does it always have to be so black and white.
> Liberals accuse the
> current government of being fascists and those of a
> more conservative bent
> say if you against the war you want to coddle the
> enemy?
> What ever happened to being the good guys, the ones
> in white, where it's
> more important to take the high road than be
> dictarial and heavy handed.
> The bad guys have been around for a long time, so
> how long does the war last
> and we get our freedom back? At least in the cold
> war we knew when it was
> over.
> I can tell you as a member of the armed forces who
> served during a war, I
> would like to be protected with the Geneva
> convention (by the way I was
> never waterboarded to protect me from interrogation
> tactics), as a believe
> all should be, even the Nazi's got a trial.
> When you have great power, you have great
> responsibility. Morally,
> ethically, I want to be better than the bad guys,
> not resort to their
> tactics and thus become them.
> As a Christian, I refuse to live in fear and
> paranoia, I know there is a
> better place, so, I do the best I can to make this
> place I live in better.
>
>
> Beth t.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > On Behalf Of ken barber
> > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 7:41 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: another black eye for the
> administration...
> >
> > hey, i know, we take them out into a big field,
> build a camp
> > fire, make s'mores, and by the third stanza of Cum
> Ba Ya,
> > they'll be our buds for life. if they know of any
> impending
> > attacks they'll surely tell us after that.
> >
> > --- "Kendall D. Corbett"
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > As I read article 4 of The Geneva Convention,
> the
> > combatants should be
> > > considered prisoners of war.
> > >
> > > I didn't bring up waterboarding, so apparently
> there are
> > some on the
> > > list interested in discussing this topic. I
> guess Mike and I could
> > > discuss it off-list, but it's a lot more fun to
> discuss things when
> > > there's a difference of opinion!
> > >
> > > ;-{)}
> > >
> > > http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > Notice that Article 4-A says persons belonging
> to _one_ of the two
> > > categories
> > > (4-A-1 or 4-A-2) shall be considered POW's.
> > >
> > > Article 4
> > >
> > > A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present
> Convention, are
> > > persons belonging to one of the following
> categories, who
> > have fallen
> > > into the power of the enemy:
> > >
> > > 1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the
> conflict
> > as well as
> > > members of militias or volunteer corps forming
> part of such armed
> > > forces.
> > >
> > > 2. Members of other militias and members of
> other volunteer corps,
> > > including those of organized resistance
> movements, belonging to a
> > > Party to the conflict and operating in or
> outside their own
> > territory,
> > > even if this territory is occupied, provided
> that such militias or
> > > volunteer corps, including such organized
> resistance
> > movements, fulfil
> > > the following conditions:
> > >
> > > (a) That of being commanded by a person
> responsible for his
> > > subordinates;
> > >
> > > (b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign
> recognizable at a
> > > distance;
> > >
> > > (c) That of carrying arms openly;
> > >
> > > (d) That of conducting their operations in
> accordance with the laws
> > > and customs of war.
> > >
> > > 3. Members of regular armed forces who profess
> allegiance to a
> > > government or an authority not recognized by the
> Detaining Power.
> > >
> > > 4. Persons who accompany the armed forces
> without actually being
> > > members thereof, such as civilian members of
> military
> > aircraft crews,
> > > war correspondents, supply contractors, members
> of labour
> > units or of
> > > services responsible for the welfare of the
> armed forces, provided
> > > that they have received authorization from the
> armed forces
> > which they
> > > accompany, who shall provide them for that
> purpose with an identity
> > > card similar to the annexed model.
> > >
> > > 5. Members of crews, including masters, pilots
> and
> > apprentices, of the
> > > merchant marine and the crews of civil aircraft
> of the
> > Parties to the
> > > conflict, who do not benefit by more favourable
> treatment under any
> > > other provisions of international law.
> > >
> > > 6. Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who
> on the
> > approach of the
> > > enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the
> invading forces,
> > > without having had time to form themselves into
> regular
> > armed units,
> > > provided they carry arms openly and respect the
> laws and customs of
> > > war.
> > >
> > > B. The following shall likewise be treated as
> prisoners of
> > war under
> > > the present Convention:
> > >
> > > 1. Persons belonging, or having belonged, to the
> armed
> > forces of the
> > > occupied country, if the occupying Power
> considers it necessary by
> > > reason of such allegiance to intern them, even
> though it has
> > > originally liberated them while hostilities were
> going on
> > outside the
> > > territory it occupies, in particular where such
> persons
> > have made an
> > > unsuccessful attempt to rejoin the armed forces
> to which
> > they belong
> > > and which are engaged in combat, or where they
> fail to
> > comply with a
> > > summons made to them with a view to internment.
> > >
> > > 2. The persons belonging to one of the
> categories enumerated in the
> > > present Article, who have been received by
> neutral or
> > non-belligerent
> > > Powers on their territory and whom these Powers
> are
>
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