It will barely survive 8 years of Bush...

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From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
ken barber
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 8:56 PM
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Subject: Re: FW: [C-PALSY] what happens if we leave iraq too quickly

many libertarians are going with the democrats even
though they traditionally vote with the GOP.
libertarians in general are isolationist and usually
for open borders. both of these goes against the house
GOP and in the  case of the War, against the GOP in
general. 

you know it matters not what i think here. i am a
minority right now. it may be good to see how the DEMS
do trying to govern after being in the minority for 14
years. this nation survived jimmy carter, it will
survive this too. 

--- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Ken,
> 
>  
> 
> Right now I wish I'd built more credibility as a
> Libertarian; in
> Wyoming, many undecided voters place themselves in
> that group.  Because
> of perceived Constitutional abuses by the present
> administration, many
> may vote Democratic in light of a perception that
> the Republicans have
> sold out the Constitution. 
> 
> In the United States of America, the Bill of Rights
> is the term for the
> first ten amendments
>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_amendment>
>  to the United
> States Constitution
>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution>
> . These
> amendments explicitly limit the Federal government's
> powers, protecting
> the rights <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right>  of
> the people by
> preventing Congress
>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress>
>  from abridging
> freedom of speech
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech> ,
> freedom of the press
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press>
> , freedom of assembly
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_assembly>
> , freedom of religious worship
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_conscience>
> , and the right to
> bear arms
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_bear_arms> ,
> preventing
> unreasonable search and seizure
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_and_seizure> ,
> cruel and unusual
> punishment
>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruel_and_unusual_punishment>
> ,
> and self-incrimination
>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Const
> itution> , and guaranteeing due process
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process>  of law
> and a speedy public
> trial with an impartial jury
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_trial> .
> These rights apply to citizens and non-citizens
> alike. In addition, the
> Bill of Rights states that "the enumeration in the
> Constitution, of
> certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or
> disparage others
> retained by the people,"[1]
>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights#_note-0#_note
> -0>  and reserves all powers not granted to the
> Federal government to
> the citizenry or States. These amendments came into
> effect on December
> 15 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_15> , 1791
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1791> , when ratified
> by three-fourths of
> the States.
> 
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights
> 
>  
> 
> The Fifth Amendment states: 
> 
>  
> 
> "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or
> otherwise infamous
> crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a
> Grand Jury, except in
> cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the
> Militia, when in
> actual service in time of War or public danger; nor
> shall any person be
> subject for the same offence to be twice put in
> jeopardy of life or
> limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to
> be a witness
> against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty,
> or property, without
> due process of law; nor shall private property be
> taken for public use,
> without just compensation." 
> 
>  
> 
>
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment05/
> 
>  
> 
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Consti
> tution
> 
>  
> 
> This is an interesting article on the subject by
> Kate Martin at York
> University.
> 
>  
> 
>
http://www.yorku.ca/crs/Refuge/Abstracts%20and%20Articles/Vol%2020%20No%
> 204/martin.pdf
> 
>  
> 
> As far back as 1953, in KWONG HAI CHEW v. COLDING,
> 344 U.S. 590 (1953),
> the US Supreme Court held that Constitutional
> protections, particularly
> the Fifth Amendment, apply to resident aliens. 
> 
>  
> 
>
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?friend=nytimes&navby=ca
> se&court=US&vol=344&invol=590
> 
>  
> 
> The links may break, so I encourage you to cut and
> paste as needed to
> reach them.
> 
>  
> 
> Kendall
> 
> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
> little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
> 
>  
> 
> Benjamin Franklin
> 
>  
> 
> this may all be true, but, they did not have
> 
> constitutional rights as POWS. this is just
> testifying
> 
> to the fact that the American government treated
> them
> 
> good. 
> 
>  
> 
>   hey guys does the words "Achille Lauro" and the
> name
> 
> "Leon Klinghoffer" ring a bell? this American PWD
> was
> 
> on this cruise ship and terroris shot him in his
> 
> wheelcchair and threw him overboard. i bring this up
> 
> to tell you all that that bunch of peace loving
> 
> individuals held at Gitmo would saw any of your
> heads
> 
> off and put a vidio of it on the internet if they
> 
> could and it met their purposes. And you want to
> 
> confer constitutional rights on them. is there any
> 
> anity on the left? 
> 
>  
> 
> there has been three elections in iraq with better
> 
> turnout that happens here and a government has been
> 
> formed. to say there is no progress is to
> conveniantly
> 
> forget some of the facts. it is slow, but would not
> 
> have been as slow had the left not let their
> absolute
> 
> hatred for bush caused by him winning the election
> in
> 
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