thanks kat, i knew it was sometimes the next day to
get deri's opinion on things. i knew it was the time
difference.

--- Kat <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> They're five hours ahead of us, Ken, at least in
> London.
>
> Kat
>
> ken barber wrote:
>
> >  i personally did not suggest it, the one
> conducting
> >the interview suggested it. i read the origional
> >article that kat linked in her post. i immediatly
> >posted that the article seemed to indicate that the
> >bbc was as much implicated as the government.
> >  of course, we all have plenty of sources to read
> >becouse of the internet and can decide what to
> think
> >of the governments involved and also what to think
> of
> >all the media outlets.
> >  in my view there is as much spinning going on by
> the
> >media, including the bbc as is going on within the
> >governments. i do not think i am mistaken and don't
> >mind saying that the media can and does spin the
> >"news." to put it bluntly, i trust neither
> governments
> >nor media as far as i could toss a bull elephant.
> >   government spinning, good chance that it is
> >happening, the media spinning, really good chane
> that
> >that is happening too.
> >  anything i say is only one opinion. they are like
> >noses everybody's got one.
> >  hey deri, how many hours are you ahead of the
> east
> >coast? if i would not be lazy i could find out, but
> >easier to ask you.
> >  hang in there good buddy.
> >--- Deri James <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>On Saturday 19 Jul 2003 7:16 pm, you wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>kat, i never intended to dismiss the brits. sorry
> >>>
> >>>
> >>if i
> >>
> >>
> >>>come accross that way. my intentions in the
> remark
> >>>
> >>>
> >>was
> >>
> >>
> >>>to convey the idea that the BBC has a new reality
> >>>
> >>>
> >>to
> >>
> >>
> >>>get accustomed too just like ABC, CBS AND NBC AND
> >>>
> >>>
> >>OF
> >>
> >>
> >>>COURSE CNN. that reality is that no one can now
> >>>
> >>>
> >>just
> >>
> >>
> >>>broadcast things and as in the past have no one
> >>>challenge them. with the internet, fox news
> >>>
> >>>
> >>network
> >>
> >>
> >>>and all the other ways to get news, the american
> >>>
> >>>
> >>media
> >>
> >>
> >>>is being challenged. i think the bbc is going to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>find
> >>
> >>
> >>>that they too will be challenged and not be
> >>>
> >>>
> >>immune.
> >>
> >>
> >>>the BBC is a big part 0f THIS story. i watched a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>bbc
> >>
> >>
> >>>reporter interviewed last night and very stiffly
> >>>challenged in his remarks and bbc accused of
> >>>
> >>>
> >>"hounding
> >>
> >>
> >>>someone to death." that is exactly what i meant
> in
> >>>
> >>>
> >>the
> >>
> >>
> >>>statement that the bbc was implicated in this as
> >>>
> >>>
> >>much
> >>
> >>
> >>>as the blair government.
> >>>  the brits have been our allies thru think and
> >>>
> >>>
> >>thin.
> >>
> >>
> >>>i'd never dismiss them.
> >>>   i know blair has more challenges than bush
> >>>
> >>>
> >>right
> >>
> >>
> >>>now. i noticed that he said he still stands by
> >>>
> >>>
> >>british
> >>
> >>
> >>>intelligence.
> >>>history might be better to blair than the brit
> >>>population though. it was certainly like that
> with
> >>>churchhill.
> >>>   please no notes that he is no churchhill. only
> >>>
> >>>
> >>time
> >>
> >>
> >>>will tell on that.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>I think you misunderstand the situation re. BBC v.
> >>Government over here:-
> >>
> >>It is nonsensical to suggest the BBC "hounded Mr
> >>O'Reilly to death", these are
> >>the facts:-
> >>
> >>        Mr O'Reilly gave details of Intelligence
> >>Service view about Governments use
> >>of its report to Andrew Gilligan producing BBC
> >>report critical of Government
> >>"spinning" the "facts" to bolster opinion to go to
> >>war.
> >>
> >>        He was one of several Intelligence service
> >>and others used by the BBC as
> >>background research to the programme.
> >>
> >>        The Government were unhappy with the
> >>broadcast and started a witch hunt
> >>trying to find who "leaked".
> >>
> >>        Mr O'Reilly voluntarily informed his boss
> of
> >>his meeting with Andrew
> >>Gilligan.
> >>
> >>        The government claimed he was the mole and
> >>called on the BBC to name their
> >>sources, the MOD (undoubtedly at Ministers
> >>insistence) switched his duties to
> >>do virtually nothing all day.
> >>
> >>        A Select Committee enquiry "grilled" Mr
> >>O'Reilly for a complete day - July
> >>15th (the government sponsored members were
> >>particularly rude and beligerent
> >>- see
> >>
> >>
>
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