thanks kat, i knew it was sometimes the next day to get deri's opinion on things. i knew it was the time difference. --- Kat <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > They're five hours ahead of us, Ken, at least in > London. > > Kat > > ken barber wrote: > > > i personally did not suggest it, the one > conducting > >the interview suggested it. i read the origional > >article that kat linked in her post. i immediatly > >posted that the article seemed to indicate that the > >bbc was as much implicated as the government. > > of course, we all have plenty of sources to read > >becouse of the internet and can decide what to > think > >of the governments involved and also what to think > of > >all the media outlets. > > in my view there is as much spinning going on by > the > >media, including the bbc as is going on within the > >governments. i do not think i am mistaken and don't > >mind saying that the media can and does spin the > >"news." to put it bluntly, i trust neither > governments > >nor media as far as i could toss a bull elephant. > > government spinning, good chance that it is > >happening, the media spinning, really good chane > that > >that is happening too. > > anything i say is only one opinion. they are like > >noses everybody's got one. > > hey deri, how many hours are you ahead of the > east > >coast? if i would not be lazy i could find out, but > >easier to ask you. > > hang in there good buddy. > >--- Deri James <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > >>On Saturday 19 Jul 2003 7:16 pm, you wrote: > >> > >> > >>>kat, i never intended to dismiss the brits. sorry > >>> > >>> > >>if i > >> > >> > >>>come accross that way. my intentions in the > remark > >>> > >>> > >>was > >> > >> > >>>to convey the idea that the BBC has a new reality > >>> > >>> > >>to > >> > >> > >>>get accustomed too just like ABC, CBS AND NBC AND > >>> > >>> > >>OF > >> > >> > >>>COURSE CNN. that reality is that no one can now > >>> > >>> > >>just > >> > >> > >>>broadcast things and as in the past have no one > >>>challenge them. with the internet, fox news > >>> > >>> > >>network > >> > >> > >>>and all the other ways to get news, the american > >>> > >>> > >>media > >> > >> > >>>is being challenged. i think the bbc is going to > >>> > >>> > >>find > >> > >> > >>>that they too will be challenged and not be > >>> > >>> > >>immune. > >> > >> > >>>the BBC is a big part 0f THIS story. i watched a > >>> > >>> > >>bbc > >> > >> > >>>reporter interviewed last night and very stiffly > >>>challenged in his remarks and bbc accused of > >>> > >>> > >>"hounding > >> > >> > >>>someone to death." that is exactly what i meant > in > >>> > >>> > >>the > >> > >> > >>>statement that the bbc was implicated in this as > >>> > >>> > >>much > >> > >> > >>>as the blair government. > >>> the brits have been our allies thru think and > >>> > >>> > >>thin. > >> > >> > >>>i'd never dismiss them. > >>> i know blair has more challenges than bush > >>> > >>> > >>right > >> > >> > >>>now. i noticed that he said he still stands by > >>> > >>> > >>british > >> > >> > >>>intelligence. > >>>history might be better to blair than the brit > >>>population though. it was certainly like that > with > >>>churchhill. > >>> please no notes that he is no churchhill. only > >>> > >>> > >>time > >> > >> > >>>will tell on that. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>I think you misunderstand the situation re. BBC v. > >>Government over here:- > >> > >>It is nonsensical to suggest the BBC "hounded Mr > >>O'Reilly to death", these are > >>the facts:- > >> > >> Mr O'Reilly gave details of Intelligence > >>Service view about Governments use > >>of its report to Andrew Gilligan producing BBC > >>report critical of Government > >>"spinning" the "facts" to bolster opinion to go to > >>war. > >> > >> He was one of several Intelligence service > >>and others used by the BBC as > >>background research to the programme. > >> > >> The Government were unhappy with the > >>broadcast and started a witch hunt > >>trying to find who "leaked". > >> > >> Mr O'Reilly voluntarily informed his boss > of > >>his meeting with Andrew > >>Gilligan. > >> > >> The government claimed he was the mole and > >>called on the BBC to name their > >>sources, the MOD (undoubtedly at Ministers > >>insistence) switched his duties to > >>do virtually nothing all day. > >> > >> A Select Committee enquiry "grilled" Mr > >>O'Reilly for a complete day - July > >>15th (the government sponsored members were > >>particularly rude and beligerent > >>- see > >> > >> > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com