John,
Which repeaters in CT are you hearing? As a former resident of CT, I'm
curious.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 18:19
Subject: Re: TS480/SAT in FM operation
> It's crazy, if you have anything that resembles a decent antenna, mobile
> or
> base, chances are more often than not you're going to hear 2 repeaters on
> the same frequency. I don't know why they coordinate them so close, often
> there is interference that doesn't get resolved but we won't go there.
> Let's
> just say if it involves a CT repeater, there's no point fighting it. I'm
> glad mine is on 900 MHz, I don't anticipate having that problem there
> though
> with the growth of the band around here, I'm not going to 100% rule it out
> either someday.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Colin McDonald" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 4:47 PM
> Subject: Re: TS480/SAT in FM operation
>
>
>> your also in probably one of the most heavily populated amateur radio use
>> areas of the world.
>> Even when I was at the seeing eye in NJ, I couldn't believe how many
>> overlapping coverage repeaters were on the same frequencies. RX tone
>> just
>> makes sense in those kinds of conditions.
>> I couldn't believe how many people were on 80 and 75M at night
>> either...there were groups every 5KC's right across the band.
>> In my region we have about 2 main frequencies and perhaps 30 different
>> regular operators on 80M.
>> Then again, the tri state area has a larger population than the entire
>> country of Canada. Add in some of the other eastern seaboard states with
>> massive populations in when there is a band opening, and i can imagine
>> how
>> it would get kaotic without rx tones on your radios.
>>
>> 73
>> Colin, V A6BKX
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 2:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: TS480/SAT in FM operation
>>
>>
>>>I run a receive tone here because every time the band opens up, we have
>>> repeaters in other states that keep the receiver open for hours on end
>>> and
>>> I
>>> don't want to hear other repeaters, in fact on one repeater I monitor,
>>> we
>>> can hear a repeater in CT regardless if the band is open or not. I only
>>> monitor the repeaters for clubs I belong to and really am against the
>>> practice of making 5 repeaters useless on a frequency so you can get in
>>> to
>>> one far away when there's a band opening,that's where simplex is good
>>> enough
>>> but I don't like VHF anyway which is where we have that problem, that's
>>> one
>>> of the reasons why. There are many people around here who do that
>>> regularly.
>>> I consider that maliciously interfering with the repeaters that people
>>> can't
>>> use because of someone doing that. I love tone squelch, receive tone,
>>> whatever you want to call it for that reason. I can only hear what I
>>> want
>>> to
>>> hear. Some people love it, some are against it, I set it everywhere I
>>> can
>>> in
>>> all my radios.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Colin McDonald" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 4:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: TS480/SAT in FM operation
>>>
>>>
>>>> most newer dual band type ham rigs will do split tone as well.
>>>> They do split tone in commercial applications to create multiple user
>>>> groups
>>>> on one repeater pair.
>>>> Personally, I never ever use RX tone for allot of reasons.
>>>> Unfortunately, some newer hams don't fully understand the concept and
>>>> stick
>>>> rx tones in their radios...then can't figure out why they can't hear
>>>> anything when the tone is wrong, or when the tone board on the repeater
>>>> goes
>>>> dead.
>>>> Or, with some repeaters, there is only an input tone, and the repeater
>>>> doesn't transmit a tone, but when some of these guys program their
>>>> radios,
>>>> they put a tone on both tx and rx and then can't hear the repeater.
>>>> Anyway, leaving the rx tone off is always a good idea.
>>>> The only time it's useful is if you are in a very noisy RF environment
>>>> where
>>>> you get allot of interference or noise on your receiver...the rx tone
>>>> will
>>>> block most of that and allow you to listen in piece most of the time.
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>> Colin, V A6BKX
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 1:56 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: TS480/SAT in FM operation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> PL and CTCSS is exactly the same thing, what you're talking about is
>>>>> something else but that doesn't make sense at all. If you need a split
>>>>> tone,
>>>>> in other words different from receive to transmit, set the transmit
>>>>> tone
>>>>> and
>>>>> leave receive tone off, you'd be out of luck and that would be crazy
>>>>> since
>>>>> only commercial radios do that as far as I know though I did trick a
>>>>> ham
>>>>> radio to do it once. Anyway, as long as the tone is the same for in
>>>>> and
>>>>> out,
>>>>> when you turn on tone squelch, so you need a tone to receive the
>>>>> repeater,
>>>>> it will transmit that same tone when you transmit so you have the tone
>>>>> set
>>>>> for receive and transmit that way.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Bob Ray" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 3:34 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: TS480/SAT in FM operation
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> PL tones are the tones going into the repeater. CTCSS are those
>>>>>> transmitted
>>>>>> by it. That is the best explanation I can come up with that makes
>>>>>> sense
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: For blind ham radio operators
>>>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Lou Kolb
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 2:32 PM
>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> Subject: Re: TS480/SAT in FM operation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought they were the same. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you
>>>>>> mean
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> ctcss and Pl tones, but I thought both those terms refered to a tone
>>>>>> that's
>>>>>> transmitted continuously as long as the transmitter is up to hold the
>>>>>> squelch open on the receiving end. I'm sure someone will correct me
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> wrong. 73, Lou Lou Kolb Voice-over Artist:
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>>>>>> www.loukolb.com
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Bob Ray" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 3:11 PM
>>>>>> Subject: TS480/SAT in FM operation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone that has experience with the 480 on fm repeaters may be able
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> help with this. We have just added tones to our local repeater.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> 480 manual, if I am reading it right, doesn't allow you to have a pl
>>>>>>> tone and a CTCSS tone at the same time. Does anyone have a work
>>>>>>> around for this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob kd0br
>>>>>>
>>>>
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