Wow, I've never had this happen. Everybody I've ever delt with has been
considerate and paid attention to what's going on. You have a few bad
apples in every cart I guess and Part of our deal as amateur's is to make
sure that these people are educated and told why what they did was wrong.
you would be surprised how people respond if you take the time to talk to
them and explain why what they did was wrong instead of just jumping their
case. Taking the time to think of what to say was a smarter move than the
person that jumped their case. There have been a few times where I've
stumbled into what I thought was a rag chew and found out later that it was
really a net. Most of the time Somebody, usually net control, came on and
said this is a net could you please call net control before speaking? Of
course this was said in a friendly voice so next time they ask for check ins
I threw my call out and apologized for disrupting their net and everything
was fine. Then another time, I don't know why people rag chew in the middle
of a net and then get mad when somebody else jumps in. I made a comment and
got chewed up one side and down the other. Well, needless to say I went off
on these guys and the more they argued with me the more I argued back.
finally somebody jumped in and told net control that I had a point and that
all he really had to say was that this was a control net and ask me to
please stand by until net control asked for check ins.
You know, we all had to learn somewhere and there's not a ham out there that
can tell me that they knew everything before the first time they keyed the
mike. Of course, we've got a lot of people that think that way and this is
why a lot of new hams throw up their hands and leave. I hope this don't
sound like a bitch session, because that's not what it was ment to be, just
some food for thought.
... 73 ... KD5QHH ... Jimmy ...
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Have a great day!
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: Echo Link WasRE: Introduction
>I don't notice it daily or anything but I'm seeing a lot more people who
> just jump in and call other people with out seeing if the frequency's in
> use
> or not, I've had 2 instances over the summer where I was NCS and someone
> jumped in and called someone and when advised there was a net going on,
> once
> was ignored and was told the other time "I know" and the ignored until,
> since it was a RACES net, one community really gave him an ear full while
> I
> was still thinking over what I could say to let them know how I felt, but
> not get myself in trouble. Once more it happened with someone in an NTS
> net.
> I've also heard about 5 or 6 other instances of that in the last year or
> 2.
> A lot of it, not mine, but a lot of it was echolink repeaters with people
> on
> echolink and one common NCS around the area will actually drop everything
> and let them do what they want. I refuse to run a net on a repeater with
> it
> after it happened to me a couple years ago, now I tell them if they want
> me
> as NCS they can shut off echolink, which one net does, or look for someone
> else. I have been made aware also, one of the people I had problems with
> on
> the RACES net is frequently on echolink which leads me to wonder if that's
> how things are generally done there which wouldn't shock me. I don't need
> that aggravation, someone wants to play games on HF, I can ignore them,
> but
> on FM on VHF, it's not that easy. I have no tolerance for that stuff what
> so
> ever. Many are probably very lucky I didn't have time to finish the OO
> test.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Kwan" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 10:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Echo Link WasRE: Introduction
>
>
>>I think you have a lot of good points in your last message but what has
>> happened on VHF. you make it sound like there's trouble on that band. I
>> notice some every now and then but you speak of it as though it's
>> noticeable.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 11:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: Echo Link WasRE: Introduction
>>
>>
>> There won't be a "radio" part of it to use if we keep demonstrating
>> echolink
>> to potential hams and new hams. I used to have a simplex link up for a
>> while
>> until I heard some new ham saying he wasn't going to ever bother
>> upgrading
>> his license because he liked echolink better since he didn't have to
>> worry
>> about band conditions and the person he was talking to agreed with him. I
>> pulled the plug on it right after that idiotic statement was made, and
>> when
>> I thought about it, I realized just how bad it really is and I'm so
>> ashamed
>> of myself for ever putting that link up. I kick myself daily for
>> contributing to that kind of thought process and general stupidity. Why
>> even
>> get a license in the first place if you want to talk all over the world
>> on
>> the computer? Oh well, no one will ever change my thought process on
>> that.
>> It's a very lazy day and age we live in today and that unfortunately is
>> in
>> general. As soon as I find something else to do I like, or if things get
>> much worse on ham radio and it gets more to be ham computer, I'll
>> probably
>> get out of it 100%. Many I know have done it due to that and the dropping
>> of
>> CW, I'm not as hot about the CW topic but I feel my years in ham radio
>> are
>> probably numbered. Hopefully I can find a partner for my UHF repeater
>> project so I don't have to find a home for that when that day comes that
>> I
>> do pull out, or I might just move it to GMRS. Anyway, no one will ever
>> change my thought process on this, I think the hobby is going away fast
>> as
>> real radio and it kills me to see it. Hopefully when the HF bands get
>> good
>> things will change, I'll wait for that but if not, I won't be around for
>> the
>> next one.
>> It's funny though, everyone thought there would be problems on the HF
>> bands
>> with CW being dropped, I'm seeing a lot more problems on VHF than
>> anywhere
>> and if it wasn't for the NTS and ARES/RACES involvement, what very little
>> time I'm on VHF now would be 0.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John J. Jacques" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: Echo Link WasRE: Introduction
>>
>>
>>> Hi all, I believe that echo link is a great way to marry amateur radio
>>> and the internet. I enjoy accessing my echo link node via UHF simplex
>>> but I can appreciate the ability to connect with just a PC, unlike IRLP.
>>> For example, last year, I was able to park my echo link node on the
>>> local
>>> club repeater, while I was in Michigan, allowing me to check into the
>>> net
>>> that I usually run, with my laptop! Though I love all of the older
>>> forms
>>> of communication such as A M phone, I think we need to use the new
>>> technology that is available or soon, there won't be an amateur radio
>>> service left to use!
>>>
>>> 73 and 88 to the YL's:
>>> John
>>>
>>> John Jacques
>>> Amateur Radio Station: KG7FA
>>> "Where Cat Is, Is Civilization!"
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