>>Mary wrote:
>>>I wrote:
>>>>Vitamin C is very hard to get from animal body sources.
>>> The author of CANCER, DISEASE OF CIVILIZATION.....
>>> ...........................stated the
>>>BEST source for Vitamin C is fresh meat.
>>I wrote:
>>Then, please state which kind of hunter gatherers are it, that live
>>on "meat/fish/fats only".
>>The only ones which I personally know are Inuit, which are reported
>>to be able to live on only 13mg VitaminC per day (versus 70mg RDA).
>>This may be part of a genetic niche adaption nobody else has.
>>(whatever implications on health it has).

Wade H. Reeser wrote:
>If you would take the time to read some of the references (e.g.
>Cancer, Disease of Civilization) ......
The book doesn't show up at amazon, otherwise i'd give it a try.
If this book , the sole reference given,
states that meat was the best source of Vitamin C
wheras it can be analyzed that muscle-meat contains *zero* vitamin c,
then i wouldn't count this as a good reference.

> ....... you would see that fresh meat was
>used to sustain Europeans for months and even treat established
>scurvy cases.
I didn't question that humans can live several months without
vitamin c , the storage capacity is about 4 months, and
CroMagnons had this as the only alternative in ice age winter.
Treating scurvy cases with fresh (raw?) meat would make sense
*if* that "scurvy" wasn't a lack of vitamin c, but lack of
such vitamins, which *are* abundand in meat, of protein deficiency.
Namely Vitamin A would be the ideal case to be cured by liver.

Curing a lack of vitamin-C lack with muscle-meat is impossible.
Using liver as the cure could make sense, because is does contain
some vitamin-c ( only 25mg/100g ). One lbs per day to get the 75mg.

I could imagine such a cure however, since:
Humans living on cereal grains, as almost all ancient european
cultures since 6000 years, to big extents practiced,
will experience only and especially Vitamin A and C shortages
(everything else, minerals, vitamins, protein is plentiful provided).
If they included cabbage or potatoe and carrot and butter
and had enough of it, they usually were safe.

>.....you say most inuit don't eat fish ........
>Anyway, this comes back to the point the people,
>all people and not mutants with exclusive metabolic pathways, can
>THRIVE off meat (incl. organs).

You haven't given any other example but inuit.
If inuit can survive with as little as 13 mg vitamin c, you may call
it an adaption or mutation, or doubt it.
I doubt, that having so little vitamin c is a healty option to live.
For many reasons, some of which lie in todays conditions of life.
However, it is astonishing how inuit manage to get even their
13mg per day.
It is known, that they eat stomach contents of animals (caribou?).
And, as you mention, organs do provide some.
I recall only brain and liver to contain about 25mg per 100g.
The liver cannot really be used, because of the danger of
vitamin A toxicity. The ability to use is  must
include the ability to detoxify vitamin A better
(*if* there is a enzyme system able to do this, like cats can).

Although the brain constitutes only a small percentage of an animal
it must be an important source of vitamin c - for inuit.

However I personally would prefer to have a real rich source of
vitamin C and prefer black currant and rose hips.
Even the 75mg of vitamin c may be suboptimal for a optimumn
health, especially to the ages we use to reach now,
and in the ages we leave in.
I want more, and some fruit can provide it.
I prefer living like in a fruit garden over living like a inuit.

Eating 300g of brain every day isn't everybodys thing.
Only 12 g of the rose hips growing in my garden provide the same.
(this are especially my paleo-sources, i consider to be better
than oranges or imported tropical and farmed fruit).

regards
Amadeus

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