When we bought our kenmoor washer and dryer maybe 15 years ago, we actually
got a lady salesperson in Sears who understood the idea of how I might run
the equipment.

Of course I didn't mention that horrible word "ACCESSIBILITY" nobody knows
what means.
I just discussed the needs I'd have like knobs that click and don't spin for
ever etc.

sometimes if you discribe what you need in detail without all that
disability political correctness, they get it.
Not often but sometimes.

Tom Fowle WA6IVG

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 05:30:08PM -0800, Jim Gammon wrote:
> Yup, right you are about washers and dryers, at least our new 
> front loading ones.  I can start ours, but that's all.  I have 
> been meaning to contact the manufacturer about accessibility 
> features, such as markings etc, but have not done so.  I bet 
> there aren't any.  Even when you go into most stores to check out 
> stuff it's non-operative and the sales people have no idea what 
> you are asking about.  I will make myself a note to ask about 
> accessibility.  73, Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Miller <[log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date sent: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:09:32 -0500
> Subject: Re: Accessibility of APRS?
> 
> Someone I dog sit for now and then, also a ham but anyway, last 
> time I was
> there I tried to use his washing machine.  If you set it and 
> forget it you
> only need to hit the start button and the power button I think.  
> If you
> change modes or anything, water temperature, none of the controls 
> stop they
> just spin for ever, with clicks at the settings but bump it with 
> the power
> button off it will spin but not change anything so you can't mark 
> it or
> anything.  I'm glad I have the old style but I'm sure no matter 
> how many
> times I fix it, it won't last forever.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Gammon
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 7:33 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Accessibility of APRS?
> 
> Yes, right you are.  We once got one of those dumb coffee makers
> and I took it back because it was not very accessible.  My
> greatest pet peeve is that technology can be so liberating and
> because of the idiots who make much of it don't consider putting
> in some simple beeps, or even speech, things that should or
> could be more accessible often wind up being unusuable for blind
> folks.  Ok, down off my soap box.  Well, one last thing, let's
> hear it for Universal Design! Jim WA6EKS
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Shaffer <[log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date sent: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:15:15 -0600
> Subject: Re: Accessibility of APRS?
> 
> Eric, getting all our blind friends to become hams wouldn't do it
> either.
> For example, look at all the products that are not accessible,
> for example,
> the Keurig 2.0 coffee brewers.  Are there even any accessible new
> Sirius/XM
> radios?
> --
> Jim, ke5al
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Oyen
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 1:42 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Accessibility of APRS?
> 
> actually, there is a way.
> method 1: use a concurrent table that contains columns for
> station ID, =
> LAT, LONG, DIrection of travel, Velocity, etc.
> 
> method 2 might involve using an app like apple maps (on their
> iPhone) =
> which can tell the location of a pointer on the map (used in turn
> by =
> turn navigation).
> 
> Honestly, I think the first method is easier to achieve.
> 
> The problem with map description is that it needs a lot of
> information =
> not easily presentable and also needs a large amount of bandwidth
> for =
> retrieval of location specifics in real time.
> 
> I have noticed this issue about a lot of the digital mode
> software for =
> ham radio.  almost none of it is properly accessible for the
> blind =
> (especially dm88 in HRD).  getting anyone to acknowledge that we
> (as a =
> community of hams) even exists is starting to become a full time
> job =
> (and sometimes even major frustration as I get the impression
> that they =
> don't want to hear from us).
> 
> perhaps what we need to do is to find every blind person we can
> and =
> encourage them to become hams.  The larger our population in a
> specific =
> population market, the more we get listened to.  Its simple,
> direct and =
> easy to do.
> 
> DE n7zzt Eric
> 
> On Nov 11, 2015, at 12:05 PM, John Miller wrote:
> 
> I've experimented with APRS and I don't see a way, It shows
> actual =
> maps on=20
> the screen with people pinpointed on them, nothing is described
> that I =
> can=20
> tell except maybe longitude and latitude and I'm not even
> totally sure =
> about=20
> that for sure.  I don't see it being able to be accessible in
> it's =
> current=20
> state and not sure there's really any way they could make it =
> accessible.
> =20
> -----Original Message-----=20
> From: Matthew Chao
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 1:08 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Accessibility of APRS?
> =20
> Hi, Folks.  I have a Kenwood TMV710A which has APRS.  Is there
> any
> way to make APRS accessible?  Thanks.--Matt, N1IBB.=20
> 
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