There are those who would agree about the ohio sign when it comes to 
visiting the dentist.
Chuck wa8vmo

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From: "Pat Byrne" <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 4:36 PM
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: absolutely nothing to do with ham radio but Dayton made me 
think about it.

> There are even regional differences in sign language.  The sign for
> "dentist" is universal except in the state of Ohio where it
> coloquially means "a-hole".  That from a family friend who is a
> licensed A S L interpreter.  So be careful when looking for dental
> care in Ohio!!
> PatAt 03:05 PM 5/6/2015, you wrote:
>>Harvey, I think the latter.  Unless the community of the deaf has changed
>>dramatically.  When I was an hr specialist with the Postal Service, one of
>>the programs I was in charge of was communications between a fairly large
>>contingency of deaf letter sorting machine operators and postal management
>>with regard to operational and hr related subjects.  Our interpreter 
>>always
>>used sign language.  She told me that lip reading is prone to much
>>misunderstanding, especially with words which are similar in shape but 
>>have
>>completely different meanings.  An example;  The Seinfeld episode where 
>>lip
>>reading causes nothing but misunderstandings all round.  There is a big
>>difference between six, and sex. The shape of the lips and tongue are the
>>same.  Get it wrong by lip reading and...
>>
>>Chuck wa8vmo
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>>From: "Harvey Heagy" <harvey.heagy@COX
>>NET>
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 2:43 PM
>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>Subject: Re: absolutely nothing to do with ham radio but Dayton made me
>>think about it.
>>
>> > That's something I've always wondered; if the opponents of sign 
>> > language
>> > are
>> > primarily of the hearing impaired community, or outside that community 
>> > who
>> > work in it claiming to know what's best for them.
>> > Harvey
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: For blind ham radio operators 
>> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> > On Behalf Of Chuck Lester
>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 11:13 AM
>> > To: [log in to unmask]
>> > Subject: Re: absolutely nothing to do with ham radio but Dayton made me
>> > think about it.
>> >
>> > Harvey,
>> >
>> > Just like those who can hear and see to tell both those who can''t hear 
>> > or
>> > see the best way.  I mean after all, they have all five senses, who 
>> > could
>> > argue with that.  Of course, this completely discounts the human brain 
>> > and
>> > the other guy/gal's need to cope with the real environment. To take 
>> > away a
>> > usable tool, just because, you don't think I need it, is absolutely 
>> > silly.
>> > It sounds so political. Besides, I don't want to teach sign language.
>> > And,
>> > I don't want to teach Braille.  That mentality runs congress.
>> >
>> > Chuck wa8vmo