You mean where Christ is tempted with great power by the devil and declines
it?  That pretty much supercedes much in the bible in my book.  Turn the
other cheek if your enemy smites you vs. spar the rod and god destroying
armies, depends on if you are old or new testament I supposed.  

Beth t. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 10:46 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: another black eye for the administration...
> 
> by the way i am a christian too. with great power is great 
> responsibility, like defending those who can't defend 
> themself. excecising that power when it needs to be exerciced 
> is a responsibility. would you like me to site a scripture 
> thats supports this view?  
> 
> --- Elizabeth Thiers <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> > Why does it always have to be so black and white. 
> > Liberals accuse the
> > current government of being fascists and those of a more 
> conservative 
> > bent say if you against the war you want to coddle the enemy?
> > What ever happened to being the good guys, the ones in white, where 
> > it's more important to take the high road than be dictarial 
> and heavy 
> > handed.
> > The bad guys have been around for a long time, so how long does the 
> > war last and we get our freedom back?  At least in the cold war we 
> > knew when it was over.
> > I can tell you as a member of the armed forces who served during a 
> > war, I would like to be protected with the Geneva 
> convention (by the 
> > way I was never waterboarded to protect me from interrogation 
> > tactics), as a believe
> > all should be, even the Nazi's got a trial.   
> > When you have great power, you have great responsibility. Morally, 
> > ethically, I want to be better than the bad guys, not 
> resort to their 
> > tactics and thus become them.
> > As a Christian, I refuse to live in fear and paranoia, I 
> know there is 
> > a better place, so, I do the best I can to make this place 
> I live in 
> > better.
> > 
> > 
> > Beth t.
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > On Behalf Of ken barber
> > > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 7:41 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: another black eye for the
> > administration...
> > > 
> > > hey, i know, we take them out into a big field,
> > build a camp
> > > fire, make s'mores, and by the third stanza of Cum
> > Ba Ya,
> > > they'll be our buds for life. if they know of any
> > impending
> > > attacks they'll surely tell us after that. 
> > > 
> > > --- "Kendall D. Corbett"
> > <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > As I read article 4 of The Geneva Convention,
> > the
> > > combatants should be
> > > > considered prisoners of war.
> > > > 
> > > >  I didn't bring up waterboarding, so apparently
> > there are
> > > some on the
> > > > list interested in discussing this topic.  I
> > guess Mike and I could
> > > > discuss it off-list, but it's a lot more fun to
> > discuss things when
> > > > there's a difference of opinion!
> > > > 
> > > > ;-{)}
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Notice that Article 4-A says persons belonging
> > to _one_ of the two
> > > > categories
> > > > (4-A-1 or 4-A-2)  shall be considered POW's.
> > > > 
> > > > Article 4
> > > > 
> > > > A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present
> > Convention, are
> > > > persons belonging to one of the following
> > categories, who
> > > have fallen
> > > > into the power of the enemy:
> > > > 
> > > > 1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the
> > conflict
> > > as well as
> > > > members of militias or volunteer corps forming
> > part of such armed
> > > > forces.
> > > > 
> > > > 2. Members of other militias and members of
> > other volunteer corps,
> > > > including those of organized resistance
> > movements, belonging to a
> > > > Party to the conflict and operating in or
> > outside their own
> > > territory,
> > > > even if this territory is occupied, provided
> > that such militias or
> > > > volunteer corps, including such organized
> > resistance
> > > movements, fulfil
> > > > the following conditions:
> > > > 
> > > > (a) That of being commanded by a person
> > responsible for his
> > > > subordinates;
> > > > 
> > > > (b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign
> > recognizable at a
> > > > distance;
> > > > 
> > > > (c) That of carrying arms openly;
> > > > 
> > > > (d) That of conducting their operations in
> > accordance with the laws
> > > > and customs of war.
> > > > 
> > > > 3. Members of regular armed forces who profess
> > allegiance to a
> > > > government or an authority not recognized by the
> > Detaining Power.
> > > > 
> > > > 4. Persons who accompany the armed forces
> > without actually being
> > > > members thereof, such as civilian members of
> > military
> > > aircraft crews,
> > > > war correspondents, supply contractors, members
> > of labour
> > > units or of
> > > > services responsible for the welfare of the
> > armed forces, provided
> > > > that they have received authorization from the
> > armed forces
> > > which they
> > > > accompany, who shall provide them for that
> > purpose with an identity
> > > > card similar to the annexed model.
> > > > 
> > > > 5. Members of crews, including masters, pilots
> > and
> > > apprentices, of the
> > > > merchant marine and the crews of civil aircraft
> > of the
> > > Parties to the
> > > > conflict, who do not benefit by more favourable
> > treatment under any
> > > > other provisions of international law.
> > > > 
> > > > 6. Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who
> > on the
> > > approach of the
> > > > enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the
> > invading forces,
> > > > without having had time to form themselves into
> > regular
> > > armed units,
> > > > provided they carry arms openly and respect the
> > laws and customs of
> > > > war.
> > > > 
> > > > B. The following shall likewise be treated as
> > prisoners of
> > > war under
> > > > the present Convention:
> > > > 
> > > > 1. Persons belonging, or having belonged, to the
> > armed
> > > forces of the
> > > > occupied country, if the occupying Power
> > considers it necessary by
> > > > reason of such allegiance to intern them, even
> > though it has
> > > > originally liberated them while hostilities were
> > going on
> > > outside the
> > > > territory it occupies, in particular where such
> > persons
> > > have made an
> > > > unsuccessful attempt to rejoin the armed forces
> > to which
> > > they belong
> > > > and which are engaged in combat, or where they
> > fail to
> > > comply with a
> > > > summons made to them with a view to internment.
> > > > 
> > > > 2. The persons belonging to one of the
> > categories enumerated in the
> > > > present Article, who have been received by
> > neutral or
> > > non-belligerent
> > > > Powers on their territory and whom these Powers
> > are
> > 
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