Kathy,
That's funny my E mail program said...
From: Kathy Du Bois <[log in to unmask]>
Must have been one of those other Kathy Du Bois' again.
Brad
At 11:48 AM 2/11/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Brad, what are you talking about! GRIN! That message was from
>anonymous, not me!! I didn't say that! GRIN!
>
>
>
>At 11:19 AM 2/11/2006, you wrote:
> >Kathy,
> >
> >Finally, after all these years, a lifetime of trying. Finally, finally,
> >finally, I can rest assured now, that I've done something right. Thank you
> >thank you thank you thank you for acknowledging that. I can now stop
> >trying. If only you had told me twenty years ago though that would have
> >saved me two decades of trying.
> >
> >Brad
> >
> >
> >At 07:40 AM 2/11/2006 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Brad,
> > >My niece is a teacher in the building now. It's still standing so,
> > >maybe you did something right after all. Oops! I don't think that
> > >that came out right. Oh well, I'll leave it. GRIN!
> > >Anonymous
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 07:47 PM 2/10/2006, you wrote:
> > > >Kathy,
> > > >
> > > >I take that back, if it was still leaking then you must have
> > been there and
> > > >gone before we fixed it hahahahaha. If the Historical Society would have
> > > >agreed to get rid of those dad-gum copper decoration things up there
> we'd
> > > >have nailed it good hahaha. The way those things were on there wasn't
> > > >really too good and they wouldn't allow you to mess with them too
> > > >much. Oh I see, you were the cute one I remember now... but wait...
> > > >wasn't that Glenn Du Bois's wife that worked there? Ouch that
> > was low haha.
> > > >Actually there were some Du bois my mother-in-law use to work for
> but not
> > > >sure if it is the same name. They were the D in DC Equipment on
> > 10th Street
> > > >plus had other business ventures in the area. The name was always
> > > >pronounced Du Boze but not sure the spelling. I've heard your last name
> > > >pronounced Du Boys, Du bwah, and Du Boze. Better than how mine gets
> > > >pronounced most times hahahaha.
> > > >
> > > >Brad
> > > >
> > > > At 06:26 PM 2/10/2006 -0500, you wrote:
> > > > >Why Brad,
> > > > >You remember me! I was the really cute thing that really whipped
> > > > >those kids into shape. GRIN! Actually, my one fear in posting this
> > > > >story was, "Oh Lord, what if Brad knows one of these other Gregs, or
> > > > >Kathys, or, maybe, Gasp, Glen!" You know, it's risky to reveal small
> > > > >town secrets! Ug, I remember that building well. It never really
> > > > >did stop leaking despite all your hard work! GRIN!
> > > > >Kathy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >At 05:59 PM 2/10/2006, you wrote:
> > > > > >Kathy,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >That is amazing hahahaha. I'd not think that is a terribly
> > common name,
> > > > > >but I guess it is. Oh, I'm not sure of the time frame
> > exactly, but while
> > > > > >you were down below teaching kids? I was probably at one
> > point in there
> > > > > >only feet above you putting the roof on the Intermediate
> > School District
> > > > > >building on First Street in Menominee... I remember being up
> there at
> > > > > >midnight in a storm replacing tarps that had blown offtoo... that is
> > > not a
> > > > > >place to be in a thunderstorm folks lol. It's a small world isn't it
> > > > > >though. Oh and say "hi" to your hubby Glen for us on the list here
> > > too eh?
> > > > > >hahahahaahaha "ducking now*
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Brad
> > > > > >
> > > > > >At 05:02 PM 2/10/2006 -0500, you wrote:
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> > > > > > >A story of mix ups
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Okay everybody, mix-ups don't just happen in hospitals. While
> Greg
> > > > > > >and I lived in Menominee Michigan, we were involved in some of the
> > > > > > >most confusing mix-ups that I ever hope to go through. Here
> are the
> > > > > > >highlights.
> > > > > > >In 1984, we moved to Menominee where I had been hired to
> > be a teacher
> > > > > > >for the intermediate school district, working with the mentally
> > > > > > >impaired. As soon as we arrived in the community, we began church
> > > > > > >shopping and settled on a church in the area that we really
> > > > > > >liked. We jumped in with both feet, because that's just kind
> of the
> > > > > > >way we are, so we became known pretty quickly by the pastor
> and the
> > > > > > >congregation. Unfortunately, we have never been able to
> receive the
> > > > > > >local paper. We just always felt that other things were more
> > > > > > >important to pay for and all we usually do with the paper is go
> > > > > > >through the comics and do the crossword puzzle. It just isn't
> worth
> > > > > > >the subscription cost. Anyway, imagine our surprise about a month
> > > > > > >after our involvement in the church when the pastor pulled us
> aside
> > > > > > >and asked us if the congregation could expect a lot of trouble
> from
> > > > > > >us. We had no clue what he was talking about, so he showed us the
> > > > > > >article in the paper.
> > > > > > >Evidently, a man named, Greg Du Bois, (unfortunately for us no
> > > > > > >address was given), was in the paper for some funny dealings
> in the
> > > > > > >tree industry. I believe that it was in the court reports and his
> > > > > > >brother was involved as well. We assured him that it wasn't
> us and
> > > > > > >hoped that it was the end of the matter, but it was just the
> > > beginning.
> > > > > > >While I was pregnant with Matthew, another lady began
> attending the
> > > > > > >same church with a five-year-old son. Her name was Kathy
> > Du Bois and
> > > > > > >her son's name was Christopher. She joined the choir and we
> got to
> > > > > > >know each other some. Her husband's name was Glen, so we didn't
> > > > > > >think much of it as far as being another matter of
> > confusion. By the
> > > > > > >way, Glen did not attend church so now; it was just to two Kathy's
> > > > > > >who was a confusing matter.
> > > > > > >About a year later, I gave birth to a Christopher of my own. I
> > > > > > >didn't think anything of giving him that name because we and the
> > > > > > >other Kathy didn't associate much. Anyway, We had Chris in
> Greenbay
> > > > > > >and we chose to leave within twelve hours of his birth so they
> were
> > > > > > >not able to administer his PKU test. A baby needs to be more than
> > > > > > >three days old for this test to be accurate. We took our
> > Christopher
> > > > > > >to our local hospital when he was around five days old to have the
> > > > > > >PKU test administered and, instead of beginning a new file on our
> > > > > > >Christopher, they pulled up this other Christopher's file and
> said,
> > > > > > >"Oh yes, didn't he fall out of a tree a few days ago and break his
> > > > > > >arm?" Unfortunately, Chris had not fallen out of a tree. He had
> > > > > > >fallen out of me and nothing was broken, but we learned that
> we were
> > > > > > >both using the same pediatrician.
> > > > > > >Well, life went on and after a while, there was news of a
> > break in at
> > > > > > >a local drug store by, a Du Bois. We were visited by the
> > > > > > >police. They wanted us to tell us about Greg's brother
> > Glen. What a
> > > > > mess.
> > > > > > >Then, the police showed up at our door a few months
> > later. They were
> > > > > > >really looking for my Greg this time because a student loan
> from way
> > > > > > >back in his own drug days, before he became a Christian had
> not been
> > > > > > >paid and the government was there to collect. We didn't know
> > > > > > >anything about this bill because they had been sending collection
> > > > > > >notices to Menominee Mississippi, but that didn't seem to help us
> > > > > > >much. Fortunately, the bill was only about $300 and how that got
> > > > > > >paid off is another miraculous story that I won't bother to take a
> > > > > > >detour to tell here, but it is pretty good, none the
> less. Anyway,
> > > > > > >the police were at my door and Greg was on the beach, about four
> > > > > > >blocks away, with Matthew, who was, I think two, at the time, so I
> > > > > > >really panicked because I had no idea what they wanted.
> > > > > > >Eventually, we got all the mess straightened around and we thought
> > > > > > >that life was good until I received a call one day from a
> financial
> > > > > > >planner congratulating me on the birth of my twins. I gasped and
> > > > > > >stuttered. Then, the man on the other end said, "Aren't
> > you Kathy Du
> > > > > Bois?"
> > > > > > >I replied that I was. "And isn't your husband Greg?"
> > > > > > >I confirmed that he was, but I assured him that I hadn't had twins
> > > > > > >lately and I thought that I should know. As we talked, I learned
> > > > > > >that, evidently, the person who had been involved in the illegal
> > > > > > >dealings at the beginning of this missive had married a girl named
> > > > > > >Kathy and they had been blessed with twins. All I could
> > say over and
> > > > > > >over was "Thank you Lord It's not me." Unfortunately, now, there
> > > > > > >were at least Three Kathy Du Bois in Menominee county and all
> of us
> > > > > > >had kids and some of us were shady characters.
> > > > > > >We thought that our problems were over when we finally
> > left Menominee
> > > > > > >county and moved to Grand Rapids so that Greg could finish up his
> > > > > > >under Graduate work. Imagine our surprise about a month
> > after moving
> > > > > > >when we received a letter from a lawyer assuring us that the suit
> > > > > > >against Greg's mother would probably succeed and we could look
> > > > > > >forward to about $75,000 in profit from the proceedings. I think
> > > > > > >that a simple phone call straightened that one up, but I can't
> > > > > > >remember for sure right now.
> > > > > > >When we moved to Grand Rapids, I was pregnant with Elizabeth
> who was
> > > > > > >born on February 8. We were so happy to have a daughter, but,
> > > > > > >unfortunately, attending our church at the same time were two
> other
> > > > > > >ladies who gave birth within the ten days before Liz was
> born. Both
> > > > > > >children were girls, the first girl in their family and each
> had two
> > > > > > >older brothers, just like Elizabeth. To make matters worse, the
> > > > > > >first girl was named Elisa and the other girl was Emily. We were
> > > > > > >often getting called out of church for the wrong baby so, to
> really
> > > > > > >have fun with the mess, we decided to have all three girls
> dedicated
> > > > > > >on the same day with all the brothers in tow just to create a
> > > > > > >scene. The worst part is when the pastor reached to take our
> sweet
> > > > > > >daughter, who was about two months old at the time, into
> > his arms and
> > > > > > >she grabbed his mike and decided to begin screaming. She hadn't
> > > > > > >wanted to be taken away from her mother, I guess. Anyway,
> she's the
> > > > > > >only child I know of whom had to be removed from her own
> dedication
> > > > > > >because no one else could hear anything!
> > > > > > >Nothing more really happened after that until we moved to
> > > > > > >Maine. About a year after we moved hear, I received a call from a
> > > > > > >lady telling me that her name was Kathy Du Bois and, she was
> afraid
> > > > > > >that our prescriptions had been mixed up because we both
> > use the same
> > > > > > >pharmacy. Fortunately, I don't take any drugs, so I was able
> to put
> > > > > > >her mind at ease. We had probably had a prescription filled for
> > > > > > >antibiotics for one of the kids or something. Anyway, she
> felt that
> > > > > > >there was a mix up. I believe that her son was a
> Christopher too,
> > > > > > >if I'm not mistaken.
> > > > > > >And, if I had been writing this a month ago, I probably would have
> > > > > > >thought that that was the end of the story, but thanks to my 9
> year
> > > > > > >old, Caleb, we've learned of even another Kathy dubois since
> > > > > > >then. Caleb wanted to do the shopping. He was given the list and
> > > > > > >given very strict instructions to find us after he had collected
> > > > > > >things and that he was not to go through the check out line
> without
> > > > > > >us. Imagine our surprise, as Greg and I were just strolling
> around
> > > > > > >and wasting time while Caleb was trying to be a big boy, when we
> > > > > > >heard our names announced over the loud speaker and
> > ordered to report
> > > > > > >to the front of the store immediately. It sounded like we were in
> > > > > > >trouble. I stayed in one place, thinking that Caleb might be
> > > > > > >lost. Our thought was that one of us should stay put and
> visible so
> > > > > > >that Caleb could find us easily. It just made sense that I got
> to be
> > > > > > >the lucky one to stay put. Oh goody! Well, Greg whisked
> > passed the
> > > > > > >deli section toward the front just in time to over here a
> > > > > > >conversation between two ladies. The one was saying, "Well they
> > > > > > >said, Kathy Du Bois should report to the front of the store." The
> > > > > > >other woman, left the counter, rather confused, and mumbling, 'I
> > > > > > >wonder why." Yes folks, another Kathy Du Bois had been
> > flushed out
> > > > > > >of hiding!
> > > > > > >OH, before I leave this point, I suppose you are wondering why we
> > > > > > >were paged? Well, our son did not follow instructions and had
> > > > > > >wracked up a bill that had to be paid for. Everyone had
> > to patiently
> > > > > > >wait behind this 9-year-old who had no money while is, seemingly
> > > > > > >errant parents were out bumming. Have you ever wanted to
> crawl in a
> > > > > > >whole? The whole line of customers was full of praise for
> how well
> > > > > > >Caleb handled the situation and how adult he was. But, they had
> > > > > > >nothing but daggers for Greg for making them wait. When I
> found out
> > > > > > >what really happened, I have to admit that I was glad to be the
> > > > > > >parent who was elected to stay put. No one ever
> > > > > > >knew! Haha! Brother. I guess that we'll never win.
> > Anyway, it all
> > > > > > >ended up okay.
> > > > > > >Now, are all of you confused? I had thought all along that
> Jones and
> > > > > > >Smith were the most common names. I just find myself praising my
> > > > > > >heavenly Father that He knows who I am, no matter what! And that,
> > > > > > >while man may be confused, He will never be.
> > > > > > >Kathy
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> > > > > > >A story of mix ups
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Okay everybody, mix-ups don=92t just happen in
> > > > hospitals. While Greg and
> > > > > > >I lived in Menominee Michigan, we were involved in some of the
> most
> > > > > > >confusing mix-ups that I ever hope to go through. Here are the
> > > > > highlights.
> > > > > > >In 1984, we moved to Menominee where I had been hired to be a
> > > > teacher for
> > > > > > >the intermediate school district, working with the mentally
> > > > impaired. As
> > > > > > >soon as we arrived in the community, we began church shopping
> > > > and settled
> > > > > > >on a church in the area that we really liked. We jumped
> > in with both
> > > > > > >feet, because that=92s just kind of the way we are, so we
> > became known
> > > > > > >pretty quickly by the pastor and the
> > > > congregation. Unfortunately, we have
> > > > > > >never been able to receive the local paper. We just
> > always felt that
> > > > > > >other things were more important to pay for and all we usually
> > > > do with the
> > > > > > >paper is go through the comics and do the crossword
> puzzle. It just
> > > > > > >isn=92t worth the subscription cost. Anyway, imagine our
> > > > surprise about a
> > > > > > >month after our involvement in the church when the pastor
> > > > pulled us aside
> > > > > > >and asked us if the congregation could expect a lot of trouble
> from
> > > > > > >us. We had no clue what he was talking about, so he showed us
> > > > the article
> > > > > > >in the paper.
> > > > > > >Evidently, a man named, Greg Du Bois, (unfortunately for us no
> > > > address was
> > > > > > >given), was in the paper for some funny dealings in the tree
> > > > industry. I
> > > > > > >believe that it was in the court reports and his brother was
> > > involved as
> > > > > > >well. We assured him that it wasn=92t us and hoped that it
> > > > was the end of
> > > > > > >the matter, but it was just the beginning.
> > > > > > >While I was pregnant with Matthew, another lady began attending
> > > the same
> > > > > > >church with a five-year-old son. Her name was Kathy Du Bois
> and her
> > > > > > >son=92s name was Christopher. She joined the choir and we
> > got to know
> > > > > > >each other some. Her husband=92s name was Glen, so we
> > > > didn=92t think much
> > > > > > >of it as far as being another matter of confusion. By the way,
> > > Glen did
> > > > > > >not attend church so now; it was just to two Kathy=92s who was
> > > > a confusing
> > > > > > >matter.
> > > > > > >About a year later, I gave birth to a Christopher of my own. I
> > > didn=92t
> > > > > > >think anything of giving him that name because we and the
> > other Kathy
> > > > > > >didn=92t associate much. Anyway, We had Chris in Greenbay and
> > > > we chose to
> > > > > > >leave within twelve hours of his birth so they were not able
> > > > to administer
> > > > > > >his PKU test. A baby needs to be more than three days old for
> > > this test
> > > > > > >to be accurate. We took our Christopher to our local hospital
> > > > when he was
> > > > > > >around five days old to have the PKU test administered
> > and, instead of
> > > > > > >beginning a new file on our Christopher, they pulled up this other
> > > > > > >Christopher=92s file and said, =93Oh yes, didn=92t= he fall
> > > > out of a tree
> > > > > > >a few days ago and break his arm?=94 Unfortunately, Chris had
> > > > not fallen
> > > > > > >out of a tree. He had fallen out of me and nothing was
> > broken, but we
> > > > > > >learned that we were both using the same pediatrician.
> > > > > > >Well, life went on and after a while, there was news of a break in
> > > at a
> > > > > > >local drug store by, a Du Bois. We were visited by the
> > police. They
> > > > > > >wanted us to tell us about Greg=92s brother Glen. What a mess.
> > > > > > >Then, the police showed up at our door a few months
> > later. They were
> > > > > > >really looking for my Greg this time because a student loan
> > > > from way back
> > > > > > >in his own drug days, before he became a Christian had not been
> > > paid and
> > > > > > >the government was there to collect. We didn=92t know
> > > > anything about this
> > > > > > >bill because they had been sending collection notices to Menominee
> > > > > > >Mississippi, but that didn=92t seem to help us
> > much. Fortunately, the
> > > > > > >bill was only about $300 and how that got paid off is another
> > > miraculous
> > > > > > >story that I won=92t bother to take a detour to tell here, but
> it is
> > > > > > >pretty good, none the less. Anyway, the police were at my door
> > > and Greg
> > > > > > >was on the beach, about four blocks away, with Matthew, who was, I
> > > think
> > > > > > >two, at the time, so I really panicked because I had no
> > idea what they
> > > > > > >wanted.
> > > > > > >Eventually, we got all the mess straightened around and we thought
> > > that
> > > > > > >life was good until I received a call one day from a
> > financial planner
> > > > > > >congratulating me on the birth of my twins. I gasped and
> > > > > > >stuttered. Then, the man on the other end said, =93Aren=92t
> > > > you Kathy Du
> > > > > > >Bois?=94
> > > > > > >I replied that I was. =93And isn=92t your husband Greg?=94
> > > > > > >I confirmed that he was, but I assured him that I hadn=92t had
> twins
> > > > > > >lately and I thought that I should know. As we talked, I learned
> > > that,
> > > > > > >evidently, the person who had been involved in the illegal
> > > > dealings at the
> > > > > > >beginning of this missive had married a girl named Kathy and
> > > > they had been
> > > > > > >blessed with twins. All I could say over and over was =93Thank
> > > you Lord
> > > > > > >It=92s not me.=94 Unfortunately, now, there were at least
> > > > Three Kathy Du
> > > > > > >Bois in Menominee county and all of us had kids and some of us
> > > > were shady
> > > > > > >characters.
> > > > > > >We thought that our problems were over when we finally
> > left Menominee
> > > > > > >county and moved to Grand Rapids so that Greg could finish up his
> > > under
> > > > > > >Graduate work. Imagine our surprise about a month after moving
> > > when we
> > > > > > >received a letter from a lawyer assuring us that the suit
> > > > against Greg=92s
> > > > > > >mother would probably succeed and we could look forward to about
> > > $75,000
> > > > > > >in profit from the proceedings. I think that a simple phone call
> > > > > > >straightened that one up, but I can=92t remember for sure
> right now.
> > > > > > >When we moved to Grand Rapids, I was pregnant with Elizabeth
> > > > who was born
> > > > > > >on February 8. We were so happy to have a daughter, but,
> > > unfortunately,
> > > > > > >attending our church at the same time were two other ladies
> > > > who gave birth
> > > > > > >within the ten days before Liz was born. Both children were
> > > girls, the
> > > > > > >first girl in their family and each had two older
> > brothers, just like
> > > > > > >Elizabeth. To make matters worse, the first girl was named
> > > > Elisa and the
> > > > > > >other girl was Emily. We were often getting called out of
> > > > church for the
> > > > > > >wrong baby so, to really have fun with the mess, we decided to
> > > have all
> > > > > > >three girls dedicated on the same day with all the brothers in
> > > > tow just to
> > > > > > >create a scene. The worst part is when the pastor reached
> > to take our
> > > > > > >sweet daughter, who was about two months old at the time, into his
> > > arms
> > > > > > >and she grabbed his mike and decided to begin
> > screaming. She hadn=92t
> > > > > > >wanted to be taken away from her mother, I guess. Anyway,
> > she=92s the
> > > > > > >only child I know of whom had to be removed from her own
> dedication
> > > > > > >because no one else could hear anything!
> > > > > > >Nothing more really happened after that until we moved to
> > > > Maine. About a
> > > > > > >year after we moved hear, I received a call from a lady telling me
> > > that
> > > > > > >her name was Kathy Du Bois and, she was afraid that our
> > > > prescriptions had
> > > > > > >been mixed up because we both use the same
> pharmacy. Fortunately, I
> > > > > > >don=92t take any drugs, so I was able to put her mind at
> > ease. We had
> > > > > > >probably had a prescription filled for antibiotics for one of
> > > > the kids or
> > > > > > >something. Anyway, she felt that there was a mix up. I believe
> > > that
> > > > > > >her son was a Christopher too, if I=92m not mistaken.
> > > > > > >And, if I had been writing this a month ago, I probably would
> > > > have thought
> > > > > > >that that was the end of the story, but thanks to my 9 year old,
> > > Caleb,
> > > > > > >we=92ve learned of even another Kathy dubois since
> > > > then. Caleb wanted to
> > > > > > >do the shopping. He was given the list and given very strict
> > > > instructions
> > > > > > >to find us after he had collected things and that he was not
> > > > to go through
> > > > > > >the check out line without us. Imagine our surprise, as Greg and
> > > I were
> > > > > > >just strolling around and wasting time while Caleb was trying
> > > > to be a big
> > > > > > >boy, when we heard our names announced over the loud speaker and
> > > ordered
> > > > > > >to report to the front of the store immediately. It sounded
> > > > like we were
> > > > > > >in trouble. I stayed in one place, thinking that Caleb might be
> > > > > > >lost. Our thought was that one of us should stay put and
> > > > visible so that
> > > > > > >Caleb could find us easily. It just made sense that I got to
> > > > be the lucky
> > > > > > >one to stay put. Oh goody! Well, Greg whisked passed the deli
> > > section
> > > > > > >toward the front just in time to over here a conversation
> > between two
> > > > > > >ladies. The one was saying, =93Well they said, Kathy Du Bois
> should
> > > > > > >report to the front of the store.=94 The other woman, left the
> > > counter,
> > > > > > >rather confused, and mumbling, =91I wonder why.=94 Yes folks,
> > > another
> > > > > > >Kathy Du Bois had been flushed out of hiding!
> > > > > > >OH, before I leave this point, I suppose you are wondering
> > why we were
> > > > > > >paged? Well, our son did not follow instructions and had
> > wracked up a
> > > > > > >bill that had to be paid for. Everyone had to patiently wait
> > > > behind this
> > > > > > >9-year-old who had no money while is, seemingly errant parents
> > > were out
> > > > > > >bumming. Have you ever wanted to crawl in a whole? The
> > whole line of
> > > > > > >customers was full of praise for how well Caleb handled the
> > > > situation and
> > > > > > >how adult he was. But, they had nothing but daggers for Greg for
> > > making
> > > > > > >them wait. When I found out what really happened, I have to admit
> > > that I
> > > > > > >was glad to be the parent who was elected to stay put. No one
> ever
> > > > > > >knew! Haha! Brother. I guess that we=92ll never win. Anyway,
> > > it all
> > > > > > >ended up okay.
> > > > > > >Now, are all of you confused? I had thought all along that
> > > > Jones and Smith
> > > > > > >were the most common names. I just find myself praising my
> heavenly
> > > > > > >Father that He knows who I am, no matter what! And that,
> > > > while man may be
> > > > > > >confused, He will never be.
> > > > > > >Kathy
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >Brad
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nothing else ruins the truth like stretching it
> > > >
> > > >Brad
> > > >
> > > > The hardest position to fill is one with someone in it
> >
> >Brad
> >
> > A lot of kneeling will keep you in good standing
Brad
Never give the devil a ride, he will always want to drive
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