Good point John.

Vicki

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Schwery" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: [ECHURCH-USA] A Long reply. Please read and Judge.Re: Re: Safe
Place Fellowship


> Another factor, here, to which, I think, Sandy and Rhonda alluded to in
> earlier posts, is that those of us who were born blind do not miss sight,
> differing from someone such as Phil, who has seen and knows what he is
missing.
>
> earlier, Vicki and The Rors, wrote:
> >Preach away Vinny!  I can sure tell you've been there.  And, wow!  You do
> >have the important things of life.
> >
> >speaking of seeing your beautiful wife, people say my husband has such a
> >kind face.  I'd like to see his face too.  Many could say the same of
their
> >children.  Sometimes I think how the Lord says our tears will be stored
up
> >in a bottle; ( some of us may have to have a very big bottle, smile, I
> >wonder if he doesn't save those things we want to see for us to view in
> >heaven like a big giant scrap book only in virtual view.  The Bible
doesn't
> >say this, just my possible thoughts.  Either he saves them, or when we
reach
> >heaven those things won't be important anymore.
> >
> >
> >Vicki
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Vinny Samarco" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 11:20 PM
> >Subject: [ECHURCH-USA] A Long reply. Please read and Judge.Re: Re: Safe
> >Place Fellowship
> >
> >
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > >   Here I go off again on another of my preachings.  Please read and
judge.
> > > Vinny
> > >     I have often thought and heard about the blind men that Jesus
healed.
> > > There is one vast difference between them and ourselves.  This is  not
a
> > > value judgment or partiality, but just the facts.
> > > We just don't have the same desperation to see as they did.  Their lot
in
> > > life  was that they were about as low on the scale of things as the
leper.
> > > They had no way to make an income but to beg, and had no hope to ever
go
> >up
> > > the income or social scale.
> > >     Thanks to Louis Braille, and the inventors of the braille writer,
bns,
> > > and computer, and many, many other blind heroes who have fought
predjudice
> > > and achieved great things even without technology, thanks to all
these, we
> > > don't have such a desperate need to see, or for the same reasons, as
those
> > > in bible times.
> > > Before I became a christian, I used to be angry at all the references
to
> >to
> > > blind beggars in the bible, because I thought they strengthened the
> > > predjudice of the world against the blind.
> > > Today, even, now, if you go to china, and many many other third world
> > > countries the situation is not much better, than in Jesus' day.
> > >
> > >     Now, all this coupled with all those mis-guided Christians who
think
> > > they are going to heal us to put another notch in their belt.  Also,
all
> > > those who accuse us of not having enough faith--you all know what I
mean,
> > > etc. etc.
> > >     OI am sure that if we all wrote our stories, it would take days to
> >read
> > > them all.
> > >         I know that in my life, after so many such miserable
experiences
> > > with Christians who thought they could force "God to heal us, I have
had
> >to
> > > come, by prayer and crying out to the Lord, to the following
conclusions
> >for
> > > my own life.  Let everyone read and judge.
> > >     For me, after a most degrading experience with a famous healing
> > > minister, and many others along the way, I prayed, and felt like the
Lord
> > > said the following to me.
> > >     "Don't even pray for the healing of your eyes until I tell you
that it
> > > is time".
> > >
> > >  And like the blind man in John 9, use the blindness to allow God to
be
> > > glorified in my life.
> > > Since that time I have come to some other conclusions.
> > > That is as follows:
> > >     For me, the most important is seeing in the spirit.  In other
> >words,Can
> > > I see what God is doing in my life, do I know him and his ways in my
life
> > > and the lives of others, do I have an intimate relationship with him,
so
> > > that He can speak and I can hear him and obey him?
> > >     Can I see Him, past myself and my needs, and can I allow Him to
flow
> >in
> > > my life, and use me to positively influence those In my sphere of
> >influence?
> > > This, to me, is real sight that I need.
> > > O yes, I would like to be able to see my wife, who I know is beautiful
> > > anyway.. I would like to be able to read and sighread regular music so
I
> >can
> > > play whatevr is et before me.  It would be nice to finally see what is
> > > color, and what a sunset is like--but these thing are not necessary to
> >live.
> > > But can I see God and His ways.  If God gives me that kind of sight,
what
> > > else do I need?
> > > Vinny
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rhonda" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 6:21 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Safe Place Fellowship
> > >
> > >
> > > > A friend once asked me once if I had ever prayed and asked God about
my
> > > > sight, I said no,  my reason being that I see God as a Father, and
what
> >if
> > > > for example as a child you wanted a new bike, if you thought your
father
> > > > would say no, would you be likely to ask for the bike you desired.
I
> > > guess
> > > > I had feared a negative answer.  But after talking and praying with
this
> > > > friend I did pray, and to my surprise, I was not devistated with no
> >quick
> > > > answer, I suddenly felt I was surrounded by love and protection, I
had
> >One
> > > > who cared for me, so I need not fear asking, when the time was
right, I
> > > > would receive my sight.  I don't know what that time is, but as
Sandy
> > > says,
> > > > there are other things higher on the list!
> > > > I guess I would like to see things like my girls and Ben, but, I've
> >never
> > > > really had sight, so I can't miss it, but  I do  pray for other
things,
> > > > health for Ben, a job, direction for our life, and I am very glad to
see
> > > God
> > > > work in our lives!
> > > > Rhonda
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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>
> John
>
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