Dori Zook <[log in to unmask]> writes:
 > But
 > pleeeeeeease let me say one more thing; Ornish has a face like a monkey's
 > ass!  Sorry, he's just someone I love to hate.  I've heard many a tale of
 > what an jerk he is, too.  I TRY to love all God's chil'ren but sometimes, I
 > just CAN'T.
 >
 > Tee hee, I'd have to admit, shameful that it may be, that I do agree with
 > you, Dori. Nevertheless, it cannot be denied that Ornish does achieve some
 > modicum of success among those who follow his program with devout tenacity,
 > which makes one wonder why such diametrically opposed regimes such as
 > Atkins and Ornish might achieve similar results. Some people like to chalk
 > up these results to having little to do with diet at all, but rather to
 > exercise, spiritual reasons, etc. Personally, I see it more as a situation
 > of what is missing from these regimes, rather than what it is added in.
 > Both types of programs generally result in weight loss, which in and of
 > itself provides very beneficial effects throughout all parameters of health
 > markers. Additionally, whether one follows a low carb, high fat approach,
 > or the polar opposite, one is still admonished to exclude all manner of
 > sugar, trans fats and other junk foods.

In the end, I believe very strongly that what you DON'T eat has more of an
effect on
 > your health than what you DO eat. And to my mind, a modern Paleo diet is
 > more a matter of exclusion than addition. (Except now I'm going to go take
 > my daily spoonful of Cod Liver Oil!)

Maddy Mason
Hudson Valley, NY