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NYIGT turns 75! Spread the word!!!!
Dan Bloom
Sun, 29 Jun 2025 19:23:08 -0400
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In case you are interested
Philip Brownell
Tue, 17 Jun 2025 16:38:45 -0600
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Here is a draft of the book I’m working on now. The book will be out in late 2025 or early 2026.

https://www.academia.edu/130015362/Introduction_to_A_Gestalt_Therapist_Teaches_in_Ukraine_Post_Secular_Psychotherapy_in_a_Difficult_Field
Introduction to A Gestalt Therapist Teaches in Ukraine: Post-Secular Psychotherapy in a Difficult Field
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Re: In case you are interested
Dan Bloom
Tue, 17 Jun 2025 19:01:06 -0400
Looks good, Phil.

Dan

> On Jun 17, 2025, at 6:38 PM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Here is a draft of the book I’m working on now. The book will be out in late 2025 or early 2026.
>
> https://www.academia.edu/130015362/Introduction_to_A_Gestalt_Therapist_Teaches_in_Ukraine_Post_Secular_Psychotherapy_in_a_Difficult_Field
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> ______________ Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people interested in gestalt therapy theory and its various applications. Its public archives can be found at http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, and subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," which is found at the archives.
Re: In case you are interested
Catherine Gray
Tue, 17 Jun 2025 19:02:23 -0400
I hope you will let us now when it is published.
Cathy

> On Jun 17, 2025, at 6:38 PM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Here is a draft of the book I’m working on now. The book will be out in late 2025 or early 2026.
>
> https://www.academia.edu/130015362/Introduction_to_A_Gestalt_Therapist_Teaches_in_Ukraine_Post_Secular_Psychotherapy_in_a_Difficult_Field
>
> ______________ Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people interested in gestalt therapy theory and its various applications. Its public archives can be found at http://listserv.icors.org/scripts/wa-ICORS.exe?A0=GSTALT-L, and subscriptions can be managed by clicking on "Subscriber's Corner," which is found at the archives.
Donna Orange Memorial
Dan Bloom
Wed, 14 May 2025 13:05:41 -0400
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The New York Institute for Gestalt Therapy is honored to be a co-promoter of this important online memorial for Donna Orange. Mark your calendar for September 20. 2025. Spread the word.



An Exploration of Donna Orange’s legacy for Gestalt
therapists

Her influence on the future of therapy and our lives as world citizens
Online memorial

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Upcoming Event -- NYIGT
Dan Bloom
Fri, 25 Apr 2025 19:21:57 -0400
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My webinar
Dan Bloom
Mon, 31 Mar 2025 22:51:21 -0400
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Everyone:

My webinar"Introduction to Phenomenology for Gestalt Therapists" is beginning again this April.

There is still room for new members.

More information about my webinars is on my webpage,https://danbloomnyc.com/offerings-for-professionals/ <https://danbloomnyc.com/offerings-for-professionals/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR1gSnIJbSMD9tPoZ1WZ4QbRd7jzM6HGPzgyVzeNJxLqEV7s4hTV-wtyV-8_aem_blH1D_Cfnu6AmfAFXZzK0g>

Contact me for details. [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>

Dan
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SPECIAL EVENT: In the Path of the Wrecking Ball: Two Months of Trump’s Presidency RSVP [log in to unmask]
Dan Bloom
Fri, 28 Mar 2025 22:47:26 -0400
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> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: New York Institute for Gestalt Therapy <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: SPECIAL EVENT: In the Path of the Wrecking Ball: Two Months of Trump’s Presidency
> Date: March 28, 2025 at 9:08:10 PM EDT
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
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> In the Path of the Wrecking Ball:
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> Two Months of Trump’s Presidency
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> When: Sunday, March 30, 2025 @ 1:00 p.m.–3:00 p.m. New York time
> Check the time zone in your location here: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html <https://8te5ps8ab.cc.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001hzySW8jR5nco08JL4yuqpTuorE8_1tGQOg4UomfkdYrSNHTYgikRKP_r8ZefOOtCQwIfmFLTsH2P4KClH3BuATgtpkzheCaObTjf49T6kEpap7BykkO3VM-jR37E6sqzwxjYE1v1qv65m8ijYHdscYJpkXQ3FfBro2nsNHpidHG-jTwhWYkRSUOhaecWYCWh&c=2XA-K2vggzYrrMcz2kICIFxMthVWjWxhahRmiArZp7nX16WwX2Irjw==&ch=dmvFH44N69IAQVxwqICc8S9R9CkT2bcpRJ_x0tw6EtJAFV9ksYLTPw==>
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> Where: Zoom!
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> Link: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/83011578259 <https://8te5ps8ab.cc.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001hzySW8jR5nco08JL4yuqpTuorE8_1tGQOg4UomfkdYrSNHTYgikRKMeZHLUhuG4-Pp1Sir2LD_2UhEIsPAt382owroZGQMSt_fsL8T00LhlNe48HFpPoQtiystwFHu9o2Y9qdJa_2EwSpbKOjMxC59lHzFySkIeIKUfMXaPDgxw=&c=2XA-K2vggzYrrMcz2kICIFxMthVWjWxhahRmiArZp7nX16WwX2Irjw==&ch=dmvFH44N69IAQVxwqICc8S9R9CkT2bcpRJ_x0tw6EtJAFV9ksYLTPw==>
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NYIGT Event: Everyone is welcome
Dan Bloom
Thu, 20 Mar 2025 17:07:54 -0400
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In the Path of the Wrecking Ball:

Two Months of Trump’s Presidency

When: Sunday, March 30, 2025 @ 1:00 p.m.–3:00 p.m. New York time
Use this link to check the time zone in your location: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html. <https://8te5ps8ab.cc.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001gXfSWp2kMvTFHrszAYfRZ_sI2VqIhxghZIwizHrdzCs8XINsDvPMQH1fWwAE5Tn7qu6ipKcG9Or5BC8PRqDeyLinXX2jN1x_SrgBySeWyxNlWuIH7ejFYW3ATU0b4eQQuV518VZiK_4kJ3d8aU7KiHFskLRM6yz1cMX750MTZvEBPni17e1z75zHlZbqu3VV&c=ymq6HDHLBJXhKS8op9-OLmJZWMe4M9VW6wffgUDuUYsyX8AFGbn2Ng==&ch=LTiqzaeucXH-JO-TrSzBLdxTzY_wGYCgjc93ZDy0ahrmAmfKDEZfWQ==>

Where: Zoom!

Link: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/83011578259 <https://8te5ps8ab.cc.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001gXfSWp2kMvTFHrszAYfRZ_sI2VqIhxghZIwizHrdzCs8XINsDvPMQNTtmTw8t1lo6vEZMldOMUPQJ_ZqxbDo-N0gcaJP6fDy9jVLPm6hDxyczTAUsk7WZR4UVTkHY6QRAy1eFOZy8RSDnbcRtOYWaNhcednwF8VjJPgE7qwNFYI=&c=ymq6HDHLBJXhKS8op9-OLmJZWMe4M9VW6wffgUDuUYsyX8AFGbn2Ng==&ch=LTiqzaeucXH-JO-TrSzBLdxTzY_wGYCgjc93ZDy0ahrmAmfKDEZfWQ==>

Please RSVP: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>

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The past two months seem like an eternity. The ascension of Trump and his MAGA loyalists continues to shake the foundations of our world.

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Re: NYIGT Event: Everyone is welcome
Philip Brownell
Thu, 20 Mar 2025 15:59:35 -0600
1-3 pm. Dan is that eastern daylight time?

I don’t know if I can make it because so much is going on around here, but it would be nice to see and here folks again.

Phil

> On Mar 20, 2025, at 3:07 PM, Dan Bloom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Two Months of Trump’s Presidency
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> When: Sunday, March 30, 2025 @ 1:00 p.m.–3:00 p.m. New York time
> Use this link to check the time zone in your location: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html. <https://8te5ps8ab.cc.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001gXfSWp2kMvTFHrszAYfRZ_sI2VqIhxghZIwizHrdzCs8XINsDvPMQH1fWwAE5Tn7qu6ipKcG9Or5BC8PRqDeyLinXX2jN1x_SrgBySeWyxNlWuIH7ejFYW3ATU0b4eQQuV518VZiK_4kJ3d8aU7KiHFskLRM6yz1cMX750MTZvEBPni17e1z75zHlZbqu3VV&c=ymq6HDHLBJXhKS8op9-OLmJZWMe4M9VW6wffgUDuUYsyX8AFGbn2Ng==&ch=LTiqzaeucXH-JO-TrSzBLdxTzY_wGYCgjc93ZDy0ahrmAmfKDEZfWQ==>
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Re: NYIGT Event: Everyone is welcome
Dan Bloom
Thu, 20 Mar 2025 19:02:07 -0400
EDT.

It would be great to see you again.

Dan

> On Mar 20, 2025, at 5:59 PM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> 1-3 pm. Dan is that eastern daylight time?
>
> I don’t know if I can make it because so much is going on around here, but it would be nice to see and here folks again.
>
> Phil
>
>> On Mar 20, 2025, at 3:07 PM, Dan Bloom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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Re: NYIGT Event: Everyone is welcome
Charlie Bowman
Fri, 21 Mar 2025 08:52:34 -0400
Hi Phil,

Are you aware of this? This is a request for institutional sponsorship
with all the links. Check out usgestalt.org!

*Gestalt Practitioners Gathering ~ Institutional Sponsor*
*Join Us in Building the Future of Gestalt Practice!*

Join us in shaping the future of Gestalt practice by supporting a national
association for Gestalt practitioners in the United States. Your
institutional sponsorship will help lay the foundation for a thriving,
connected community of professionals.
*Why Support the Gathering?* In the U.S., we do not have a vehicle that
provides opportunities for organizations that support Gestalt practitioners
to connect, share, and grow –

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Re: NYIGT Event: Everyone is welcome
Philip Brownell
Fri, 21 Mar 2025 08:26:44 -0600
Charlie,
No. I was not aware of it. And it’s very timely for me.

Can you send me any more information or is the April meeting a gathering to get things started?

I am in the process of leaving the clinic that I've been part of here in Southern Idaho for nine years. I’m going to start a private practice, and I’m also thinking of starting a training group of some kind. I’m doing more international conference speaking (mostly in Ukraine). We’ve got Boise to our west and Pocatello/Idaho Falls to our east, Ketchum and Sun Valley to our north

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Re: NYIGT Event: Everyone is welcome
Philip Brownell
Fri, 21 Mar 2025 09:56:37 -0600
Charlie. I tried subscribing to the mailing list (google group UnitedStatesgestalt), but google said there was no such group. Is it up yet?

Phil

> On Mar 21, 2025, at 8:26 AM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Charlie,
> No. I was not aware of it. And it’s very timely for me.
>
> Can you send me any more information or is the April meeting a gathering to get things started?
>
> I am in the process of leaving the clinic that I've been part of here in Southern Idaho for nine years. I’m going to start a

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Re: NYIGT Event: Everyone is welcome
Charlie Bowman
Fri, 21 Mar 2025 12:13:54 -0400
You're on the list, asd is Linda.

*Charlie *

*"For green grass and clean rivers, children with bright eyes and good
color, and people safe from being pushed around – for a few things like
these, I find I am pretty ready to think away most other political,** economic,
and technological advantages." - Paul Goodman, 1970*

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Donna Orange Memorial in September
Dan Bloom
Wed, 12 Mar 2025 18:55:39 -0400
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An Exploration of Donna Orange’s legacy for Gestalt therapists
Her influence on the future of therapy and our lives as world citizens
Online memorial

September 20, 2025
See your local time below

Who Donna Orange was

Donna Orange, PhD, PsyD, was a philosopher and relational psychoanalyst who dedicated her life to study and teach philosophy, history of psychoanalysis, and contemporary relational psychoanalysis. She has become significantly involved in dialogue with Gestalt psychotherapists.

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NYIGT SPECIAL EVENT
Dan Bloom
Tue, 4 Mar 2025 19:40:10 -0500
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In the Path of the Wrecking Ball: Two Months of Trump’s Presidency

The past two months seem like an eternity. The ascension of Trump and his MAGA loyalists continues to shake the foundations of our world.

On March 30, 1 PM NYC (DST) , we will gather once again as citizens in the path of the wrecking ball.

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An interesting Sunday coming up....
Dan Bloom
Sun, 2 Feb 2025 20:01:02 -0500
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Everyone:

This will be an interesting event. Everyone is welcome.

Dan
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NYIGT Sunday: SPECIAL ELECTION EVENT: The Day Before
Dan Bloom
Thu, 16 Jan 2025 23:48:41 -0500
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Colleagues:

It is only days away. Some of us feel despair. Some of us are numb. Some feel awe in the face of the inevitable, unstoppable swearing-in of Trump as President of the United States.

Previously, we met in "War and Grief" meetings in response to the wars in Ukraine and the Middle East. And we met immediately after Trump’s election, “The Sunday After.” It is time to meet again,

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WInter/Spring offerings
Dan Bloom
Mon, 6 Jan 2025 14:40:27 -0500
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Friends:

I hope you all had a good holiday and are ready to have a happy new year.

My supervision group is now closed to new members. But I am organizing a second group.

I am also available for individual supervision.

I am an EAGT accedited supervisor.

Also, I am organizing two online webinars. One is on the phenomenology of Gestalt therapists and the other is on PHG and contemporary Gestalt therapy from a field-emergent perspective. I have been offering these webinars for many years.

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6th International Gestalt Research Conference
Christine Stevens
Tue, 26 Nov 2024 18:35:20 +0000
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Dear Colleagues

The next Gestalt Research Conference is being held in Birmingham UK 5-7 September 2025, hosted by UKAGP and sponsored by EAGT, IAAGT & GANZ.

Please find attached information about the call for papers which is out now, the deadline for responding being 15 February 2025.
There are all kinds of opportunities, including formal presentations of research projects in progress or completed, workshops on methods, posters, and a marketplace for networking & discussing ideas.

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Re: 6th International Gestalt Research Conference
Philip Brownell
Tue, 26 Nov 2024 13:17:55 -0700
Way to go Christine. 🙂
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 26, 2024, at 11:35 AM, Christine Stevens <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> 
> Dear Colleagues
>
> The next Gestalt Research Conference is being held in Birmingham UK 5-7 September 2025, hosted by UKAGP and sponsored by EAGT, IAAGT & GANZ.
>
> Please find attached information about the call for papers which is out now, the deadline for responding being 15 February 2025.
> There are all kinds of opportunities, including formal presentations of research projects in progress or completed, workshops on methods, posters, and a marketplace for

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Invitation
Dan Bloom
Mon, 14 Oct 2024 14:55:32 -0400
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Everyone:

I am happy to invite everyone to the upcoming online event at the NYIGT. Contact me at [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> for more details.

All my best,

Dan
New York Insitute for Gestalt Therapy’s Special Autumn Event!

"HOPE, FEAR, ELECTION! Living at the Boundary."
(This is the new name for the meeting posted on our website.)
October 20
1PM EST
Online

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Nature Heals
Gianni Francesetti
Wed, 18 Sep 2024 11:51:00 +0200
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Dear all,
I am glad to inform you that a paper on field perspective in clinical work
just came out in one of the major journals of research in biophysics.
It is a paper that we have written with a group of researchers in
neuroaesthetics and in physics of complex systems.
Michela Gecele, Jan Roubal and I have contributed to the clinical side.

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Re: Nature Heals
Maria W
Wed, 18 Sep 2024 11:37:27 -0400
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Re: Nature Heals
Piergiulio Poli
Thu, 19 Sep 2024 11:08:41 +0200
Dear Gianni, congratulations for the impressive achievement! Regards,
Piergiulio Poli

Il giorno mer 18 set 2024 alle ore 17:37 Maria W <[log in to unmask]>
ha scritto:

> Dear Dr. Francesetti,
>
> Congratulations to you Michela Gecele, and Jan Roubal. What interesting
> topic and contribution!
>
> I appreciate it you three providing free access to the paper. Thank you
>
> Best wishes,
>
> *Maria
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2024, at 5:51 AM, Gianni Francesetti <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> 
> Dear all,
> I am glad to inform you that a paper on field perspective

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Re: Nature Heals
Gianni Francesetti
Thu, 19 Sep 2024 12:56:41 +0200
Thank you Maria and Piergiulio!

Il giorno gio 19 set 2024 alle ore 11:18 Piergiulio Poli <[log in to unmask]>
ha scritto:

> Dear Gianni, congratulations for the impressive achievement! Regards,
> Piergiulio Poli
>
> Il giorno mer 18 set 2024 alle ore 17:37 Maria W <[log in to unmask]>
> ha scritto:
>
>> Dear Dr. Francesetti,
>>
>> Congratulations to you Michela Gecele, and Jan Roubal. What interesting
>> topic and contribution!
>>
>> I appreciate it you three providing free access to the paper. Thank you
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> *Maria
>>
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>> On Sep 18, 2024, at 5:51 AM,

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Re: Nature Heals
Peter Cole
Thu, 19 Sep 2024 08:58:32 -0700
Dear Gianni,

Wow -- this is so impressive. I will try to wade through this -- but it is
full of new ideas for me! I think I will need to join a study group of
yours if you are sponsoring any to begin to really appreciate what you are
presenting here.

You are pushing the boundaries of Gestalt therapy forward in some really
impressive ways Gianni! I hope to understand your work better and better
over time.

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Re: Nature Heals
Gianni Francesetti
Sat, 21 Sep 2024 16:07:16 +0200
Thank you very much Peter for your appreciation and feedback!

Il giorno gio 19 set 2024 alle ore 17:58 Peter Cole <[log in to unmask]>
ha scritto:

> Dear Gianni,
>
> Wow -- this is so impressive. I will try to wade through this -- but it
> is full of new ideas for me! I think I will need to join a study group of
> yours if you are sponsoring any to begin to really appreciate what you are
> presenting here.
>
> You are pushing the boundaries of Gestalt therapy forward in some really
> impressive ways Gianni!

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Margherita Spagnuolo - Istituto di Gestalt HCC Italy
Thu, 26 Sep 2024 06:54:51 -0400
congratulations, Gianni, Jan and Michela!

Margherita Spagnuolo Lobb, PsyD

Director Istituto di Gestalt HCC Italy
Post Graduate School of Psychotherapy
www.gestalt.it www.gestaltitaly.com
Honorary President Italian Association for Gestalt Therapy - SIPG
Honorary Member and Past President European Association for Gestalt Therapy
- EAGT
Past President Italian Federation of Psychotherapy Associations - FIAP
Editor Gestalt Therapy Book Series (Routledge)
Editor Quaderni di Gestalt

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Re: Nature Heals
Gianni Francesetti
Thu, 26 Sep 2024 13:04:49 +0200
Grazie Margherita!

Il giorno gio 26 set 2024 alle ore 12:55 Margherita Spagnuolo - Istituto di
Gestalt HCC Italy <[log in to unmask]> ha scritto:

> congratulations, Gianni, Jan and Michela!
>
>
>
>
> Margherita Spagnuolo Lobb, PsyD
>
> Director Istituto di Gestalt HCC Italy
> Post Graduate School of Psychotherapy
> www.gestalt.it www.gestaltitaly.com
> Honorary President Italian Association for Gestalt Therapy - SIPG
> Honorary Member and Past President European Association for Gestalt
> Therapy - EAGT
> Past President Italian Federation of Psychotherapy Associations - FIAP
> Editor Gestalt Therapy Book Series (Routledge)
> Editor Quaderni di Gestalt


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LP and K
Dan Bloom
Mon, 19 Aug 2024 14:54:27 -0400
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I found the reference:

Found it!

From Laura’s “Concepts and Misconceptions of GT” —

"But Reich's most essential contribution to the development of Gestalt therapy si his recognition of the identity of muscular tensions and character formation. The character armor, epitomized in the obsessional character, si a fixed gestalt which becomes a block in the ongoing gestalt formation. The practical focus on body awareness, however, became part of Gestalt therapy not through Reich, but through my lifelong experience with eurythmics and modern dance, my early study of the work of Ludwig Klages "Ausdrucksbewegung und Gestaltungskraft" (expressive movement and creativity),” p

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Re: LP and K
john wymore
Tue, 20 Aug 2024 11:32:39 -0600
I’m glad you found it. Now we’ve gone beyond mere (sic) body awarness and can ponder ( which might lead to awareness of) the function and functioning of mind/brain circcuits. See Rob Kurzban’s Why Everyone (except me) is a Hypocrite. Kurzban is an evolutionary psychologist.

> On Aug 19, 2024, at 12:54 PM, Dan Bloom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> I found the reference:
>
> Found it!
>
> From Laura’s “Concepts and Misconceptions of GT” —
>
> "But Reich's most essential contribution to the development of Gestalt therapy si his recognition of the identity of muscular tensions and character

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Klages?
Dan Bloom
Mon, 19 Aug 2024 14:31:20 -0400
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Friends:

Does anyone know if Laura Perls ever referenced Ludwig Klages? I have a dim recollection that she did, but I am as confident that I am wrong as I am right. :)

I am exploring the relationship of Gestalt therapy and lebensphilosophie.

Many thanks.

Dan
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Epistemological Principles of Gestalt Therapy
Philip Brownell
Sat, 13 Jul 2024 10:53:12 -0600
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I was reading, ran across this phrase (see subject line), and you know how something catches your attention and wedges itself there like a bone stuck in the throat? Or maybe not. I began to wonder. What would people say ARE these principles?

Anybody?

Phil
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New Teaching Program
Philip Brownell
Fri, 14 Jun 2024 15:23:41 -0600
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Hi.
Starting this fall I am going to attempt a new approach to teaching. It will be a compounded approach. I am under contract for a new book (about teaching in Ukraine last year on post-secularism). Starting this fall I will be doing webinars (see outline below) going deeper into the subject of post-secular psychotherapy with applications to gestalt therapy, and simultaneously I will write two tracks of a journal at Substack on my process for both these things during the time it takes to accomplish them. One track will be free and the other will be by paid subscription

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Next Book
Philip Brownell
Mon, 3 Jun 2024 10:50:05 -0600
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Hi.

Just received word from my editor at Routledge that the next book has been accepted by the editorial board.

A Gestalt Therapist Teaches in Ukraine:
Post-Secular Psychotherapy in a Difficult Field
Journey with Philip and Linda Brownell to wartime Ukraine, to the capital of Kyiv, and to the training of Gestalt therapists at Kyiv Gestalt University. Sense the nature of a difficult field in which there exists not only an armed conflict between two countries, but also a conflict of horizons as post-secular theory emerges in an original application to psychotherapy. There is no other book like this one.

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Re: Next Book
Gianni Francesetti
Thu, 6 Jun 2024 19:35:40 +0200
Congratulations Phil!

Il giorno gio 6 giu 2024 alle ore 17:47 Philip Brownell <
[log in to unmask]> ha scritto:

> Hi.
>
> Just received word from my editor at Routledge that the next book has been
> accepted by the editorial board.
>
>
> *A Gestalt Therapist Teaches in Ukraine:**Post-Secular Psychotherapy in a
> Difficult Field*
> Journey with Philip and Linda Brownell to wartime Ukraine, to the capital
> of Kyiv, and to the training of Gestalt therapists at Kyiv Gestalt
> University. Sense the nature of a difficult field in which there exists not
> only an armed

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Catherine Gray
Thu, 6 Jun 2024 13:46:35 -0400
Congratulations, Phil. Very exciting.

> On Jun 6, 2024, at 1:35 PM, Gianni Francesetti <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Congratulations Phil!
>
> Il giorno gio 6 giu 2024 alle ore 17:47 Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> ha scritto:
>> Hi.
>>
>> Just received word from my editor at Routledge that the next book has been accepted by the editorial board.
>>
>> A Gestalt Therapist Teaches in Ukraine:
>> Post-Secular Psychotherapy in a Difficult Field
>> Journey with Philip and Linda Brownell to wartime Ukraine, to the capital of Kyiv, and to the training of Gestalt therapists at Kyiv Gestalt University.

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Maria
Thu, 6 Jun 2024 15:11:13 -0400
Wonderful news Phil, and thank you for one more great contribution to
Gestalt.

Cheers!

**Maria WIlley, M.A., LMFT/IN, LCMFT/MD*

On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 1:46 PM Catherine Gray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Congratulations, Phil. Very exciting.
>
>
> On Jun 6, 2024, at 1:35 PM, Gianni Francesetti <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Congratulations Phil!
>
> Il giorno gio 6 giu 2024 alle ore 17:47 Philip Brownell <
> [log in to unmask]> ha scritto:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> Just received word from my editor at Routledge that the next book has
>> been accepted by the editorial board.
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Margherita Spagnuolo - Istituto di Gestalt HCC Italy
Thu, 6 Jun 2024 23:12:22 +0200
Congratulations, Phil!
I knew about this book and now I'm glad that it will be published in a
short while.

Very well
hugs
Margherita

Margherita Spagnuolo Lobb, PsyD

Director Istituto di Gestalt HCC Italy
Post Graduate School of Psychotherapy
www.gestalt.it www.gestaltitaly.com
Honorary President Italian Association for Gestalt Therapy - SIPG
Honorary Member and Past President European Association for Gestalt Therapy
- EAGT
Past President Italian Federation of Psychotherapy Associations - FIAP
Editor Gestalt Therapy Book Series (Routledge)
Editor Quaderni di Gestalt

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Dan Bloom
Thu, 6 Jun 2024 20:18:06 -0400
Congratulations, Phil.
Your book looks like it will be terrific.

I am interested in how you are developing the post-secular.

Dan

> On Jun 3, 2024, at 12:50 PM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> Just received word from my editor at Routledge that the next book has been accepted by the editorial board.
>
> A Gestalt Therapist Teaches in Ukraine:
> Post-Secular Psychotherapy in a Difficult Field
> Journey with Philip and Linda Brownell to wartime Ukraine, to the capital of Kyiv, and to the training of Gestalt therapists at Kyiv Gestalt University. Sense the nature

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Philip Brownell
Thu, 6 Jun 2024 18:52:58 -0600
Dan. It’s a huge subject but to the best of my knowledge never applied to psychology or psychotherapy. Many books and articles about it.

You asked how I will develop it. I will write the book while I am teaching the subject ( to start roughly after your webinar series) and I will do a substack “diary” simultaneously reflecting on the overall process. This isn’t something where a person reads a few books about it and they’ve then got it mastered. And who knows where I’ll be in roughly a year.

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Dan Bloom
Thu, 6 Jun 2024 22:00:50 -0400
Phil:

You might inspire me to turn my own webinars are over. Each one could be a book chapter.

Dan

> On Jun 6, 2024, at 8:52 PM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Dan. It’s a huge subject but to the best of my knowledge never applied to psychology or psychotherapy. Many books and articles about it.
>
> You asked how I will develop it. I will write the book while I am teaching the subject ( to start roughly after your webinar series) and I will do a substack “diary” simultaneously reflecting on the overall process. This isn’t

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Peter Cole
Thu, 6 Jun 2024 20:26:22 -0700
Hello Phil,

Congrats on your new book plan. Also -- I am impressed that your
involvement with the people of Ukraine has helped bring about a change in
your past support for Trump and the MAGA version of the Republican party.
I admire your capacity to re-evaluate and to share with us that you have
come to a new outlook.

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Dan Bloom
Thu, 6 Jun 2024 23:29:09 -0400
I left out a word.

“You might inspire me to turn my own webinars into a book when they are over.”

Dan

> On Jun 6, 2024, at 10:00 PM, Dan Bloom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Phil:
>
> You might inspire me to turn my own webinars are over. Each one could be a book chapter.
>
> Dan
>
>> On Jun 6, 2024, at 8:52 PM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Dan. It’s a huge subject but to the best of my knowledge never applied to psychology or psychotherapy. Many books and articles about it.
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>> You

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Philip Brownell
Fri, 7 Jun 2024 05:49:15 -0600
I understood. For how many years have I been after you to write your book? If this subject (immortal freedom) and experience of working with the Ukrainians pumps you up, GO for it. Will George be translating for you?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2024, at 9:29 PM, Dan Bloom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> I left out a word.
>
> “You might inspire me to turn my own webinars into a book when they are over.”
>
> Dan
>
>> On Jun 6, 2024, at 10:00 PM, Dan Bloom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> Phil:
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>> You

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Dan Bloom
Fri, 7 Jun 2024 08:48:19 -0400
Phil:

I’m working with another book proposal now. It will be a collection of my writings plus commentaries describing the development of my ideas. Alas, I am one of those people who needs a deadline to get things done. The publisher is simply asking for a few documents etc. Simply.

Working with Ukrainian is guaranteed to pump me up. I designed the theme of the workshop specifically to address the state of affairs people are in the midst of.

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Philip Brownell
Fri, 7 Jun 2024 08:05:21 -0600
You are not the only one who works best with a deadline. I gave myself more than a year on this project, but that is because I’m working on a book review currently. I like the idea of the commentaries on your process.

> On Jun 7, 2024, at 6:48 AM, Dan Bloom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Phil:
>
> I’m working with another book proposal now. It will be a collection of my writings plus commentaries describing the development of my ideas. Alas, I am one of those people who needs a deadline to get things done. The publisher is

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Dan Bloom
Fri, 7 Jun 2024 10:17:32 -0400
My commentaries will explain the obvious changes in my understandings as I consistently challenged what I had been so sure of. The book will be a dialectic with myself and recognition of the changing situations in which we practice.

Dan

> On Jun 7, 2024, at 10:05 AM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> You are not the only one who works best with a deadline. I gave myself more than a year on this project, but that is because I’m working on a book review currently. I like the idea of the commentaries on your process.
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Philip Brownell
Fri, 7 Jun 2024 09:03:17 -0600
Dear Peter,
Nice to hear from you. I have admired your work in the Sacramento and Bay Areas and with groups.

Thanks on the observation about my political flexibility. Currently I am not for Trump, because even though he came up with a way to support Ukraine (with loans), I can’t trust him to follow through. I’m not for Biden, because… well. C’mon man. When forty plus congressmen from both parties bring up his cognitive decline. Four more years? He won’t make it, and then who will it be? Kamala Harris? Really scary. I am not for RFK, even though

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Philip Brownell
Fri, 7 Jun 2024 09:04:44 -0600
That sounds good. Are you putting together the proposal or what? So, maybe now you have TWO books in the works.

> On Jun 7, 2024, at 8:17 AM, Dan Bloom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> My commentaries will explain the obvious changes in my understandings as I consistently challenged what I had been so sure of. The book will be a dialectic with myself and recognition of the changing situations in which we practice.
>
> Dan
>
>> On Jun 7, 2024, at 10:05 AM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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Dan Bloom
Fri, 7 Jun 2024 11:08:59 -0400
Actually only the collection of essays is worth the descriptor, “in the works.” The other is just warming up to an idea.

The first one’s proposal is almost done.

Dan

> On Jun 7, 2024, at 11:04 AM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> That sounds good. Are you putting together the proposal or what? So, maybe now you have TWO books in the works.
>
>> On Jun 7, 2024, at 8:17 AM, Dan Bloom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> My commentaries will explain the obvious changes in my understandings as I consistently challenged what I had been so sure of. The

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Philip Brownell
Fri, 7 Jun 2024 09:11:59 -0600
Well. We’ll see. Anyway, I wish you well with it all.

> On Jun 7, 2024, at 9:08 AM, Dan Bloom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Actually only the collection of essays is worth the descriptor, “in the works.” The other is just warming up to an idea.
>
> The first one’s proposal is almost done.
>
> Dan
>
>> On Jun 7, 2024, at 11:04 AM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> That sounds good. Are you putting together the proposal or what? So, maybe now you have TWO books in the works.
>>
>>> On Jun 7, 2024, at

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Philip Brownell
Fri, 7 Jun 2024 10:30:08 -0600
Here is a link to the Substack journal:
https://philipbrownell.substack.com/publish/post/145417107

> On Jun 7, 2024, at 9:11 AM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Well. We’ll see. Anyway, I wish you well with it all.
>
>> On Jun 7, 2024, at 9:08 AM, Dan Bloom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Actually only the collection of essays is worth the descriptor, “in the works.” The other is just warming up to an idea.
>>
>> The first one’s proposal is almost done.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>> On Jun 7, 2024, at 11:04 AM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>> That sounds good. Are you

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Philip Brownell
Tue, 23 Apr 2024 18:08:31 -0600
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… I would have sent this to my brother and we would have marveled at it. But he’s gone home. I HAD to share this with someone, so you all are IT. Ronnie Scott’s is a jazz club that Jeff Beck did a few days at once, always tense with pressure with each show and only when the last note was done did he find relief. When you watch them having fun, it’s hard to believe that Jeff Beck is paying close attention to everything so that he doesn’t lose his place. On the last night he looked up to 

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Peter Philippson
Wed, 24 Apr 2024 10:46:51 +0100
Beautiful! Thanks for sharing it.

Peter

On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 at 01:09, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]>
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> … I would have sent this to my brother and we would have marveled at it.
> But he’s gone home. I HAD to share this with someone, so you all are IT.
> Ronnie Scott’s is a jazz club that Jeff Beck did a few days at once, always
> tense with pressure with each show and only when the last note was done did
> he find relief. When you watch them having fun, it’s hard to believe that
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Charlie Bowman
Wed, 24 Apr 2024 07:42:24 -0400
Thanks for this Phil,

*Really made my morning! I'm sure your brother would enjoy :)*

Charlie

*"For green grass and clean rivers, children with bright eyes and good
color, and people safe from being pushed around – for a few things like
these, I find I am pretty ready to think away most other political,** economic,
and technological advantages." - Paul Goodman, 1970*

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Philip Brownell
Fri, 22 Mar 2024 15:32:52 -0600
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It’s a work in progress–the classic statement, right? What am I talking about? I am building a site where I can meet and work with people. The site is postsecularpsychotherapy.com. <http://postsecularpsychotherapy.com/>

I have chosen a number of capabilities for this site, all of which make it possible for people to join and work together on various projects, engage in conversations and discussions, and make specific their interests. Obviously, the overall site is about post-secular thought and its implications, but I have created three groups that members can join to either refine that interest or expand it, depending on one’s activities.

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Philip Brownell
Thu, 21 Mar 2024 06:07:46 -0600
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From the New York Times: “ The multiracial, predominantly working-class group of Americans who have soured on mainstream politics and modern liberalism are not all hateful and ignorant. They are frustrated, and their political loyalties are up for grabs.”

It’s what really motivates the Trump supporters and has all along.

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In the process of transitioning
Philip Brownell
Mon, 18 Mar 2024 12:26:28 -0600
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Hello.
I am in the process of transitioning from Face Book, and although I’ll keep this list going, also from this list. I am focusing. I’ve got (who knows) maybe… MAYBE ten years left? (My dad died at 84). So, I am doing two things that are connected. I am creating a web site and a Substack account. The website is postsecularpsychotherapy.com, and the Substack is titled Postseculastonishing. I have a proposal for a book now being considered at Routledge, but if they don’t accept it, I will serialize it at Substack. I will write and develop community at both

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March 14, A remembrance
Jack Neggerman
Fri, 15 Mar 2024 02:22:52 -0400
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Dear colleagues,

Fritz Perls died 54 years ago today. If you met him, you are no longer young.

In 1967, at age 19, I made a pilgrimage to the Esalen Institute in Big Sur. I was not admitted, because I had no business to be there. Back then- I was enamored with Will Schutz, the major Encounter Group proponent. I learned more about Gestalt Therapy and Fritz the following year.

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Charlie Bowman
Fri, 15 Mar 2024 11:59:36 -0400
Thank you, Jack!

*Charlie Bowman *

*"For green grass and clean rivers, children with bright eyes and good
color, and people safe from being pushed around – for a few things like
these, I find I am pretty ready to think away most other political,** economic,
and technological advantages." - Paul Goodman, 1970*

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Here Ya Go, Dan
Philip Brownell
Tue, 12 Mar 2024 11:12:04 -0600
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Dan Bloom
Tue, 12 Mar 2024 13:58:14 -0400
Holy moley.

This is hot.

Luft is one of my heroes.

What are you gonna do about this? If I were more disciplined, learned, less stupid, and more focused I would maybe submit some thing from the Gestalt Therapy field emergent perspective.

But I'm not.

> On Mar 12, 2024, at 1:12 PM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> <CfP_Metaphysics_and_and_Method_in_Modern.pdf>
Re: Here Ya Go, Dan
Philip Brownell
Tue, 12 Mar 2024 12:02:20 -0600
Dan. If YOU are not, what makes you think that I am? I am not in that league, or your league.

Besides, I have four books to write, and they all keep yelling at me to quit clogging up the daily schedule with other stuff.

Phil

> On Mar 12, 2024, at 11:58 AM, Dan Bloom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Holy moley.
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> This is hot.
>
> Luft is one of my heroes.
>
> What are you gonna do about this? If I were more disciplined, learned, less stupid, and more focused I would maybe submit some thing

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Philip Brownell
Mon, 11 Mar 2024 08:39:55 -0600
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Turn, turn, turn
Philip Brownell
Fri, 8 Mar 2024 09:43:17 -0700
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"You can't love your country only when you win." --J. Biden, State of the Union, 3/7/24
Philip Brownell <https://www.facebook.com/philip.brownell?comment_id=Y29tbWVudDoxMDE2MjIyNDA4Mjk5NDM4NF8zNzQwODQ5MDg3MjU0MDA%3D&__cft__[0]=AZUfJvK7iTDc1o_FH7-NDi77LEGaiDsPhlrLi4P--wb5pZIKzK_KDYhU4FRyhBzUP6AWQu3wVkS0v6woZzQmG89S4dbUXLDNWwQsquB7DR4fSw&__tn__=R]-R>
I am voting straight democrat this time. NOT because I have suddenly become a progressive. NOT because I think Biden is the best thing we could possibly put forward. NOT because I think the Republicans have been evil all along, and I just now woke up. In fact, I'm not "woke." I'm sickened by the turn to myopia and the obstructing of aid to Ukraine that has gripped the Republican party and by the partisan politics that plays games with our

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Re: Turn, turn, turn
Peter Philippson
Fri, 8 Mar 2024 18:05:18 +0000
That is a brave thing to say and do.

Peter

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> "You can't love your country only when you win." --J. Biden, State of the
> Union, 3/7/24
> Philip Brownell
> <https://www.facebook.com/philip.brownell?comment_id=Y29tbWVudDoxMDE2MjIyNDA4Mjk5NDM4NF8zNzQwODQ5MDg3MjU0MDA%3D&__cft__[0]=AZUfJvK7iTDc1o_FH7-NDi77LEGaiDsPhlrLi4P--wb5pZIKzK_KDYhU4FRyhBzUP6AWQu3wVkS0v6woZzQmG89S4dbUXLDNWwQsquB7DR4fSw&__tn__=R]-R>
> I am voting straight democrat this time. NOT because I have suddenly
> become a progressive. NOT because I think Biden is the best thing we could
> possibly put forward. NOT because I think the Republicans have been evil
> all along, and I just now woke up. In fact, I'm not "woke." I'm

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Re: Turn, turn, turn
Peter Cole
Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:43:58 -0800
Wow Philip -- I am impressed!

THank you for sharing your change of perspective.

Warmly

Peter Cole

On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 10:05 AM Peter Philippson <[log in to unmask]>
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> That is a brave thing to say and do.
>
> Peter
>
> On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 at 16:43, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> "You can't love your country only when you win." --J. Biden, State of the
>> Union, 3/7/24
>> Philip Brownell
>> <https://www.facebook.com/philip.brownell?comment_id=Y29tbWVudDoxMDE2MjIyNDA4Mjk5NDM4NF8zNzQwODQ5MDg3MjU0MDA%3D&__cft__[0]=AZUfJvK7iTDc1o_FH7-NDi77LEGaiDsPhlrLi4P--wb5pZIKzK_KDYhU4FRyhBzUP6AWQu3wVkS0v6woZzQmG89S4dbUXLDNWwQsquB7DR4fSw&__tn__=R]-R>
>> I am voting straight democrat this time. NOT because I have suddenly
>> become a progressive. NOT because I think

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Re: Turn, turn, turn
Dan Bloom
Sun, 10 Mar 2024 15:49:01 -0400
Phil:

“Do” what you think is best for you. If prayer and fasting are actions that you think might tilt the course of the universe, go for it. Yet it reminds of the “you are in my hopes and prayers” response to victims of gun violence.

I say this while maintaining my respect for your experience of being-in-the world-with-a god.

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Dan Bloom
Sun, 10 Mar 2024 16:18:26 -0400
Phil:

I understand — to the extent this ever possible — and value what is important to you.

I remember people who fasted and held vigils in protest of the Viet Nam War.

Dan

> On Mar 10, 2024, at 4:08 PM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Dan
> I did not say that was ALL that I am doing. I am also working on behalf of Ukraine. I am as I’ve said voting straight democrat. I am speaking my mind into whatever venue and medium I can. If there is something I CAN do, I am doing it. I

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Re: Turn, turn, turn
Peter Philippson
Sun, 10 Mar 2024 20:34:21 +0000
Hi Phil,

I honour your stance politically, and your loving commitment to Ukraine. I
have just done a 3-day workshop online with people at the Kyiv Gestalt
University and they are wonderful people.

I still have a BIG problem with 'God loves you anyway'. What do you
believe your God's response would be when I die not believing he exists?
If, like the majority of more fundamentalist Christians, you believe that I
will be punished for eternity, then that, for me, is how the
fundamentalists came to identify with Trump. They are both happy to
receive praise and cheers and

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Peter Philippson
Sun, 10 Mar 2024 22:04:10 +0000
Did you know that Georghiy Kushnir's son has volunteered to go to the front
line? Georghiy and Katia are proud but worried of course.

Peter

On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 at 21:42, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]>
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> Kyiv Gestalt University. Kyiv. Ukraine. Spectacular culture. Putin wants
> to absorb them and appropriate their history and culture. To do that he
> needs to strangle their identity. Wipe it out. That is genocide. I will
> never forget them, nor the makeshift memorial to the dead of Bucha. Nor the
> woman dancing to a guitar in the square down the

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Philip Brownell
Mon, 11 Mar 2024 10:35:51 -0600
Dear Peter,
I think your point/question is a very good one. I also think that many Christians do not explore the nuances of salvation like you do here. What you say extends to people who don’t believe in God, but it also applies to people who believe in a different God, or belong to a different group of people who believe in the same God. Muslims. Jews. Christians. They all believe in the same God. Do they go to church together? NO. Catholics and Protestants. Do THEY go to church together? No. Why not? Because people stumble over details of

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Peter Philippson
Mon, 11 Mar 2024 17:50:23 +0000
Hi Phil,

Thank you for your answer. See below:

On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 at 16:36, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]>
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> Dear Peter,
> I think your point/question is a very good one. I also think that many
> Christians do not explore the nuances of salvation like you do here. What
> you say extends to people who don’t believe in God, but it also applies to
> people who believe in a different God, or belong to a different group of
> people who believe in the same God. Muslims. Jews. Christians. They all
> believe in the

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Philip Brownell
Mon, 11 Mar 2024 14:11:27 -0600
Dear Peter,
I like this conversation.

What makes the God of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam the same? Each religion owns Him by referring to the history of that God with Abraham. Starts with Judaism, obviously, and with Abraham, but Christianity incorporates Tanak into the Christian Bible. Islam calls Him Allah, but makes Jesus a prophet of Allah. Certainly there are differences or else there would not be three religions. But the central idea of a religion is human relationship with God, and that God is the Abrahamic divinity. Spirit is the same concept (I developed this in my book Spiritual

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Philip Brownell
Mon, 26 Feb 2024 10:35:33 -0700
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"Space is nothing and has no properties”. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPVQtvbiS4Y)

Watching a YouTube on space and time. This was one statement, and it caught my attention because we have asserted that there is no distance between objects and that all are connected in “the field.” But if the cosmos is expanding and the objects (i.e. galaxies) are moving away at increasing speed, leaving space in between, and space has no properties. It is nothing. Does that destroy our assertions that we are all connected?
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john wymore
Mon, 26 Feb 2024 12:42:30 -0700
Consider that there maybe no such thing as nothing

> On Feb 26, 2024, at 10:35 AM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> "Space is nothing and has no properties”. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPVQtvbiS4Y <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPVQtvbiS4Y>)
>
> Watching a YouTube on space and time. This was one statement, and it caught my attention because we have asserted that there is no distance between objects and that all are connected in “the field.” But if the cosmos is expanding and the objects (i.e. galaxies) are moving away at increasing speed, leaving space in between, and space has no properties. It is nothing. Does that

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Philip Brownell
Mon, 26 Feb 2024 12:53:07 -0700
I watched more of the video. It got into quantum field theory and how what we experience emerges from the actions of the quantum field. But that brings to mind another thing. We don’t live AT the level of the quantum field; we live at the level of what emerges from it. We may live because of the quantum field, like the computer (Peter’s favorite illustration) functions at the level of the chips and so forth (I don’t know enough about the quantum field to be able to speak about it like Peter), but we don’t live at that level 

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john wymore
Tue, 27 Feb 2024 11:57:13 -0700
Just to pick out a phrase that carries with it a bit of a problem (and I may paraphrase a little):

“ what we experience of the actions of the quatum level ,,,”
“briniging to mind”
“we don’t live at a quantum level
“We live at emerges

In the 4 phrases, above, the words “mind" and “live" appear twice, each, the word experience, once. The meanng of each is vast and includes systems and processes of neruo circuits, myriad fluids like hormones,and blood; plasma, conglomerates of cells that function in remarkable coordination with one another to create an organism. As

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Philip Brownell
Tue, 27 Feb 2024 12:08:48 -0700
Yes (the music). It’s been awhile. Would like to see it again.

> On Feb 27, 2024, at 11:57 AM, john wymore <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Just to pick out a phrase that carries with it a bit of a problem (and I may paraphrase a little):
>
> “ what we experience of the actions of the quatum level ,,,”
> “briniging to mind”
> “we don’t live at a quantum level
> “We live at emerges
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> In the 4 phrases, above, the words “mind" and “live" appear twice, each, the word experience, once. The meanng of each

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john wymore
Tue, 27 Feb 2024 14:21:10 -0700
OK you asked for it. It includes the result of a deep dive into the incunabula history of european music —even much befoe that. Oh --Rozek and Zitec are the names of two Bohemian lineages that I am related to. I just tossed them in because I am so proud of them. 

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Life
Philip Brownell
Mon, 19 Feb 2024 13:14:27 -0700
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I am reading and interesting article from the International Journal of Philosophical Studies and came across this section. I like it because of Henry’s emphasis on life. I have thought for awhile that Descartes error was not the binary of a thinking thing vs an extended thing but of a living thing vs a non-living thing. 

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john wymore
Tue, 13 Feb 2024 10:00:47 -0700
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ATTN: Phil

Oh my goodness. Am I one? Could be, I guess. After all, I live in and am a citizen of what is known as a liberal democracy. It is that because it was founded on principles of The Enlightenment which are said to be secularism, reason, social juistice, tolerance . The Constitution , its Preamble, and the Declaration of Independance codifiy them. The Revolution, the Civl War, the Civil Rights Movement, the Equal Rights Amendment (which I think has still not been ratified) represent our moral commitmenmt. And confrom our liberal values. So any American loyal and committed

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Re: crazy leftists
Philip Brownell
Tue, 13 Feb 2024 12:28:01 -0700
John
I am on the road. I would disagree with your take on the enlightenment, but I’m on the road and can’t give an adequate response. Maybe later.

Phil
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 13, 2024, at 10:00 AM, john wymore <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> ATTN: Phil
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> Oh my goodness. Am I one? Could be, I guess. After all, I live in and am a citizen of what is known as a liberal democracy. It is that because it was founded on principles of The Enlightenment which are said to be secularism, reason,

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Dan Bloom
Tue, 13 Feb 2024 15:00:39 -0500
JW:

Well said.

It’s worth remembering that France’s "Declaration of the Rights of Man"was inspired by the US’s founding documents.

Dan

> On Feb 13, 2024, at 12:00 PM, john wymore <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> ATTN: Phil
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> Oh my goodness. Am I one? Could be, I guess. After all, I live in and am a citizen of what is known as a liberal democracy. It is that because it was founded on principles of The Enlightenment which are said to be secularism, reason, social juistice, tolerance . The Constitution , its Preamble, and the Declaration of Independance

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john wymore
Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:12:08 -0700
OK. Answer when you can. But the question is What is a “crazy leftist”

> On Feb 13, 2024, at 12:28 PM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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Re: crazy leftists
Charlie Bowman
Tue, 13 Feb 2024 15:27:43 -0500
This is from the National Institutes of Health (NIH) (
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10763974/) study, "MAGA
Republicans’ views of American democracy and society and support for
political violence in the United States: Findings from a nationwide
population-representative survey." An excerpt:

The study’s findings suggest that MAGA Republicans, as defined, are a
distinct minority [of the Republican Party]—more likely than other
Republicans to endorse racist and delusional beliefs, sometimes by very
wide margins.

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Tue, 13 Feb 2024 18:59:20 -0700
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Re: crazy leftists
Philip Brownell
Thu, 15 Feb 2024 12:11:19 -0700
Dear John,
Are you a crazy leftist? I doubt it.

The real issue I suspect for you is in the assertions I’ve made before about post-secularism and its implications for the ideas inherent to the Enlightenment. Given that you value the Enlightenment, at any given moment, depending on the crowd and event, you might even find yourself standing up against left leaning violence (violence here to include intimidation of people and aggressive interruption of their free speech).

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Dan Bloom
Thu, 15 Feb 2024 14:18:20 -0500
Phil:

That you for the attachments. SImon Critchley is one of my heroes. I sat in on 3 of his lecture courses at the New School here in NYC.

It was pretty clear to Heidegger that modernity was in collapse.

Dan

> On Feb 15, 2024, at 2:11 PM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Dear John,
> Are you a crazy leftist? I doubt it.
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> The real issue I suspect for you is in the assertions I’ve made before about post-secularism and its implications for the ideas inherent to the Enlightenment. Given that you value the Enlightenment, at

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Re: crazy leftists
Peter Philippson
Thu, 15 Feb 2024 19:21:14 +0000
Phil,

Show me some left violence in Britain or the USA that comes anywhere near
the killing of people in a synagogue, the threat to hang Pelosi, the
insurrection on Jan 6th, etc.

Modernism failed: it produced the United Nations, the Geneva Convention,
the National Health Service, gay liberation. The 'post-secular' produced
Putin's, Modi's and Iran's religious bigotry, and the bigotry of the
fundamentalist Christian and Jewish churches Just saying it doesn't make
it true. Show me a modernist who wants to kill people who disagree with
them, to fight a war against civilians etc.

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Dan Bloom
Thu, 15 Feb 2024 14:26:35 -0500
:)

There is no turning away from the fact that modernism failed. Hitler and Stalin, ironically, were high water marks. Ideologies on steroids.

Dan

> On Feb 15, 2024, at 2:21 PM, Peter Philippson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Phil,
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> Show me some left violence in Britain or the USA that comes anywhere near the killing of people in a synagogue, the threat to hang Pelosi, the insurrection on Jan 6th, etc.
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> Modernism failed: it produced the United Nations, the Geneva Convention, the National Health Service, gay liberation. The 'post-secular' produced Putin's, Modi's and Iran's religious bigotry, and

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Re: crazy leftists
Peter Philippson
Thu, 15 Feb 2024 19:41:21 +0000
From Wikipedia:

*Modernism* is a philosophical <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy>,
religious <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernism_in_the_Catholic_Church>,
and art movement <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_movement> that arose
from broad transformations in Western society
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world> during the late 19th and
early 20th centuries. The movement reflected a desire for the creation of
new forms of art, philosophy, and social organization which reflected the
newly emerging industrial world
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_society>, including features such
as urbanization <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urbanization>, architecture,
new technologies, and war. Artists attempted to depart from traditional
forms of art, which they considered outdated or obsolete. The poet Ezra
Pound <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_Pound>'s 1934 injunction to "Make
it New" was the touchstone of the movement's approach.

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Dan Bloom
Thu, 15 Feb 2024 15:11:52 -0500
Both Nazism and communism were organized upon utopian dreams emergent of technology and “modernisms.” The “futurists” were artists to whom fascisms appeared a great deal. The Nazis presented themselves as the system of the future. It is in their anthems and propaganda. Communism as well had a commitment to the future. 

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Philip Brownell
Thu, 15 Feb 2024 14:20:16 -0700
Dear Peter and Dan,
It’s not just a matter of modernism. It’s that elements of the Enlightenment, such as the reliance on observation and experience coupled with reason/logic eventuated in logical positivism. And that, coupled with the advantages in terms of possible power, resulted in a race to dominate technology. So, you cannot start with Hitler and Stalin, or even the 19th century. No one could have imagined the results of pulling away from the authority of the church, which seemed liked a reasonable thing to do. But then, who or what carries the authority if not God? There ensues

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Peter Philippson
Thu, 15 Feb 2024 22:08:33 +0000
A very logical and positivist argument Phil. Congratulations.

I prefer talking about wonder. I am of course not a positivist. God as a
first cause/authority is a fine logical illusion.

Peter

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 at 21:20, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]>
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> Dear Peter and Dan,
> It’s not just a matter of modernism. It’s that elements of the
> Enlightenment, such as the reliance on observation and experience coupled
> with reason/logic eventuated in logical positivism. And that, coupled with
> the advantages in terms of possible power, resulted in a race to dominate
> technology. So, you

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Philip Brownell
Thu, 15 Feb 2024 15:33:20 -0700
Not quite. It was a description and not a logical argument. You prefer talking about wonder? That’s great. Me too. Very post-secular of you. Wonder exceeds the natural explanation, the immanent frame. Wonder emerges from the sense that something transcends the predictable and the mundane.

Last evening after work Linda and I went over to a friend’s house. He has to have a prostate biopsy. He is still recovering from nearly dying from acute renal failure (in the one kidney he actually has). While he was in the ICU he came down with COVID. They put a stint in, but

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Trump and WrestleMania
Dan Bloom
Sat, 10 Feb 2024 09:06:21 -0500
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Phil:

I suggested the Trump phenomena is an offshoot of Wrestlemania. You said it is closer to The Apprentice.

Take a look at these videos. And notice the cheering crowd.

To me, Trump is closer here to how he behaves than the Trump of The Apprentice.

Dan

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BwaJ69P410U
Trump DECKS WWE’s McMahon at Wrestlemania 🥊
youtube.com

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oYb46Nxar-Q
Donald Trump Pushes Mr. McMahon #shorts #subscribe #wwe #donaldtrump #vincemcmahon
youtube.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVxVDDYwNvU
Mr. McMahon and Donald Trump announce the Battle of the Billionaires
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Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:45:10 -0700
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Dan Bloom
Sat, 10 Feb 2024 18:11:27 -0500
I am referring to the impulsive loyalty to him, not any considered judgment.

In the early 1930’s, Emmanuel Levinas wrote an essay on what he referred to as “Hitlerism.” He warned that the rational values of the Western Enlightenment were deficient and would collapse as against ideologies that could embrace irrationality, passion, and emotional. The absence of the body from Enlightenment ideas of truth, justice, and the good doomed them. He referred to the drumbeats of National Socialism.

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Re: Trump and WrestleMania
Peter Philippson
Sat, 10 Feb 2024 23:31:10 +0000
For me, this is still the game of comparison (who is more exciting, who
passes more bills...). People are getting disenfranchised, killed,
threatened with death, allowed to die rather than sacrifice the foetus, and
it is those who like the kind of strength that Trump shows that are
complicit in this, with Trump's dog-whistle support. No other issue comes
close to this. Did Hitler or Merkel get the trains running more on time?!
Irrelevant in the context.

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Dan Bloom
Sat, 10 Feb 2024 19:10:12 -0500
Peter, explain your comment I highlighted in bold.

Our election invites the “game of comparison.”

I agree re the appeal of Trump’s blunt strength.

By the way, who got the trains running more in time? Hitler or Merkel? Just curious…

Regarding your second paragraph, I agree, although I don’t think of it as harshly as you. Just as Christianity in Germany survived the German Lutheran Church’s support for Hitler, so it shall in the US. You are referring to the evangelicals and the Southern Baptists in the US. The other establishment faiths are not jumping onboard.

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Peter Philippson
Sun, 11 Feb 2024 11:55:53 +0000
Hi Dan,

An analogy might help. If a discussion about the future of Harvey Weinstein
in Hollywood got diverted into a discussion of whether he was a better
director than Sam Mendes, or whether he helped the career of this or that
actor, that would be similarly irrelevant as a meaningful issue in that
discussion. Or train punctuality under Hitler.

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Dan Bloom
Sun, 11 Feb 2024 09:10:13 -0500
Peter:

My point re comparisons is simply that the elections require a comparisons and choices.

On another level, comparison of Trump to Biden is mistakenly made since it is actually a category error. I can’t usefully compare a dog with a carrot. Actually, that is one of the nearly (nearly!) existential tragedies of the Trump vs Biden race. Even to compare at this level is to destroy the very process itself. To pretend Trump can be president so twists the definition of qualifications that the process is meaningless.

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Philip Brownell
Sun, 11 Feb 2024 12:38:39 -0700
In reference to what you said below, “the twisting of ‘our’ values,” whose values? Values are entwined in politics. Also in spirituality. Also in morality. But there is no one size fits all supporter of Trump. There is no MAGA monolith; that is a creation of the left and a straw man talking point. There are people who share some values and differ on others who may also support Trump. Personally, I lament church leaders as it were making a Dorian Gray type bargain in the hope of getting some political goal, because the church will never get what it 

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Re: Trump and WrestleMania
Dan Bloom
Sun, 11 Feb 2024 15:34:40 -0500
Sure. MAGA people don’t wear red hats or walk in lock-step with their creator. That’s a media creation of the left. Congress is not in a deadlock on immigration and foreign aid because MAGA’s leader issued a command. My mistake. I guess I ought to stop reading stuff printed by my echo chamber. LOL. 

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Re: Trump and WrestleMania
Peter Philippson
Sun, 11 Feb 2024 20:57:25 +0000
Notice Phil's last bit Dan. By helicoptering over a 'clusterfuck' he is
doing that equating thing again. One guy who is a few years older and
forgets things sometimes; another who is systematically destroying all the
checks and balances that support a democracy, and is being allowed to by
his paymasters and followers. See, they're all the same as each other.

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Philip Brownell
Sun, 11 Feb 2024 14:35:46 -0700
That is exactly what I meant. You don’t understand what the church is as an organism. You described various forms of organization, even as more political than spiritual. They carry the term “church” but it’s not what I would call church.

Just like you don’t understand that people come to Trump, and signal their support by wearing a red hat, for various reasons. They don’t all have the exact same values, not all salivating at his whistles. Not all the same. Not any more than people on the left are all the same. Like not all gay people are the

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Leanne O'Shea
Mon, 12 Feb 2024 08:42:32 +1100
Whether they have same values or not is irrelevant if they vote him into power…

The headlines from this today's speech demonstrate pretty his authoritarian/insular intentions pretty clearly… encouraging Putin to bomb Nato allies, mass deportation of migrants, oppression of trans people, funding cuts for any schools teaching about racism.

If it was scary last time, this time around the consequences of a Trump presidency are likely to be catastrophic.

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Philip Brownell
Sun, 11 Feb 2024 14:58:20 -0700
Leanne
I see what you are saying. First I am not for Trump. But my hope is that him being so full of bluster and tactical hyperbole (also what people call his lies) that if elected he would govern with less actual destruction. NATO is stronger now partly because he threatened it before ( and partly because NATO countries sense the need to get ready to fight Russia). I also trust that more mentally healthy people will utilize the checks in our constitution to block his more extreme efforts. People worry that there are no checks on him now because

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Leanne O'Shea
Mon, 12 Feb 2024 09:14:05 +1100
Hi Phil,

I recently read a rather shocking essay by Christopher Hitchens on Hitler, and how people thought they could either control him (it served their purposes to support him) or didn’t believe he was serious about what he was actually saying. It is a tragic account of multiple points where people could have made different choices and didn’t. In a recent podcast from Sam Harris, his guest discusses the way he will dismantle the various checks and balances. Some of the arguments can be found in the Atlantic, “Trump’s Second Term would look like this…’ Jonathan Rauch is the

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Philip Brownell
Sun, 11 Feb 2024 15:33:15 -0700
Leanne
I live in a very red state. I am a vocal Haley supporter. I am actually FOR her as opposed to just against Trump. I can talk that up. I can caucus for her. But I am one person. I am soon to leave Facebook, but while there I will be a voice for her and against Trump. I won’t look and sound like I’m not supporting him to some people, because also will likely want him to make the country energy independent again, and I think there need a to be a revision of the green new deal

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Charlie Bowman
Mon, 12 Feb 2024 11:04:52 -0500
Dan, when you said "echo chamber" it reminded me of a portion of Al Gore's
speech at the Davos economic summit:

"These algorithms that suck people down proverbial rabbit holes, they're
more like the pitcher plants with slippery sides and at the bottom of the
rabbit hole, that's where the echo chamber is. And people who dwell long
enough in the echo chamber become vulnerable to a new kind of AI. Not
artificial intelligence, but artificial insanity."

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Peter Philippson
Mon, 12 Feb 2024 17:20:35 +0000
Thank you Charlie.

I am not so sure about reason unfortunately. Look at our process here.
Reason becomes an equalising process where the most crazy things are said
as 'reasonable' arguments - Phil is great at that. At some point, people
must say 'No! No argument, no reasoning like adults, just no! You
threaten me and the nation, and I don't need any reasonable argument to
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Philip Brownell
Mon, 12 Feb 2024 10:31:45 -0700
Great. Peter, the new John Wayne. See, Leanne, what I meant about civil war? See the us against them and the privileging of the us? And the demonizing of them? In fact, it’s a kind of religious self-righteousness that justifies throwing discourse to the wind and fighting. Marvelous.

> On Feb 12, 2024, at 10:20 AM, Peter Philippson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Thank you Charlie.
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> I am not so sure about reason unfortunately. Look at our process here. Reason becomes an equalising process where the most crazy things are said as 'reasonable' arguments - Phil is great at that.

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Dan Bloom
Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:32:21 -0500
Peter and Charlie:

It was LBJ who approached the political process with the hope that “we can reason together.” He is known for having passed the most far-reaching legislation of any president. He forged coalitions for civil rights, for example.

I lack LBJ’s faith that “we can reason together.” This is what I’ve been sayin by the crisis and collapse of our Enlightenment values.

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Philip Brownell
Mon, 12 Feb 2024 10:38:19 -0700
Spectacular! And there’s another voice for civil war. Really? Wait. Why am I surprised? This is exactly the voice of resistance that rose up when Trump was elected the first time, partly because of the surprising wound that Hillary lost. And you guys really wonder why Trump has a vendetta? Civil war is not a solution. It’s the mutual destruction that results from a failure to find a solution. 

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Dan Bloom
Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:38:53 -0500
Phil:

It is us versus them.

“We” won the election and all the court cases verify this. “They” won’t accept it. For example.

Does anyone have a doubt about what will happen in the event he loses the next election? He is already laying the foundation for another attack on democracy. Just listen to him. The new chair of the Republican Party is an infamous election denier.

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Re: Trump and WrestleMania
Peter Philippson
Mon, 12 Feb 2024 17:39:47 +0000
And you Phil are standing above the fray, tut-tutting. And talking about
self-righteousness!

Is there nothing you will fight for or against?

Trump and his supporters in the Republican Party ARE the privileged.
Certainly their access to the media is privileged.

Peter

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 at 17:32, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]>
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> Great. Peter, the new John Wayne. See, Leanne, what I meant about civil
> war? See the us against them and the privileging of the us? And the
> demonizing of them? In fact, it’s a kind of religious self-righteousness
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Philip Brownell
Mon, 12 Feb 2024 10:40:57 -0700
And if it comes to civil war, which one of you will be out in the streets fighting? My bet is not one.

> On Feb 12, 2024, at 10:32 AM, Dan Bloom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Peter and Charlie:
>
> It was LBJ who approached the political process with the hope that “we can reason together.” He is known for having passed the most far-reaching legislation of any president. He forged coalitions for civil rights, for example.
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Peter Philippson
Mon, 12 Feb 2024 17:42:31 +0000
And you Phil?

Peter

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 at 17:41, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> And if it comes to civil war, which one of you will be out in the streets
> fighting? My bet is not one.
>
> On Feb 12, 2024, at 10:32 AM, Dan Bloom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Peter and Charlie:
>
> It was LBJ who approached the political process with the hope that “we can
> reason together.” He is known for having passed the most far-reaching
> legislation of any president. He forged coalitions for civil rights, for
> example.
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Dan Bloom
Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:46:59 -0500
?

The resistance that rose up when Hillary lost dissipated rather quickly. Sure, it existed, After all, she won by millions of popular votes.

Do YOU wonder why Trump has a vendetta?

Oh Phil, I am a New Yorker. I’ve known about Trump for decades. He was famous for vendettas, wild exaggerations, frivolous lawsuits, outright lies, nastiness, racism, and womanizing. He represented what many of thought was the worst of the city. His teacher was the lawyer, Roy Cohen, who was Joe McCarthy’s attorney Trump was infamous in trying to crush anyone he thought slighted him.

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Philip Brownell
Mon, 12 Feb 2024 10:48:51 -0700
Yes. Biden won the election. No, some people don’t accept it. AND… many in the Republican Party do. You are lumping everything into one pile… them. Where is all the concern about othering and all the crap gestalt people were throwing around about totalizing and traumatizing other people? The threat of Trump is making you crazy. Trump may win the election and drag our country through a mile of total shit, but we are NOT going to lose the republic (I would say democracy, but of course that is not what we have). On the day he wanted the vice 

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Philip Brownell
Mon, 12 Feb 2024 10:55:30 -0700
Are you nuts? The Republicans are privileged? The left has been way more privileged by various sectors of our society, being entrenched in institutions of higher education, the media and arts, and from time to time totally in charge of the government. The large number of people whose jobs are in the public sector lean left. And because I stand back and try to speak for a bit of balance in your reactionary catastrophizing, I’m self-righteous? 

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Philip Brownell
Mon, 12 Feb 2024 10:56:52 -0700
Okay. Point taken

> On Feb 12, 2024, at 10:46 AM, Dan Bloom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Oh Phil, I am a New Yorker. I’ve known about Trump for decades. He was famous for vendettas, wild exaggerations, frivolous lawsuits, outright lies, nastiness, racism, and womanizing. He represented what many of thought was the worst of the city. His teacher was the lawyer, Roy Cohen, who was Joe McCarthy’s attorney Trump was infamous in trying to crush anyone he thought slighted him.
>
> If you think his vendetta against Hillary or others is new for him, think again.
Re: Trump and WrestleMania
Philip Brownell
Mon, 12 Feb 2024 10:59:50 -0700
If you come with a gang of left crazy people to Twin Falls (first, I would advise not doing that), and you threaten my home or the lives of my friends, yes. Unfortunately, I will shoot your ass. SO. Don’t do it. Pull back from the inflammatory rhetoric about what a solution civil war is. There are no winners. 

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Re: Trump and WrestleMania
Dan Bloom
Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:59:50 -0500
Failure to categorize experiences is dangerous.
I call out danger when I see a fire. I don’t worry if I am categorizing the events.

I lump people together who are lumped together. Things speak for themselves. :)

Pence did save the republic. We dodged the bullet. But there was a bullet to dodge.

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Philip Brownell
Mon, 12 Feb 2024 11:09:54 -0700
OK. I’m familiar with that kind of response. Do I think this is NAZI Germany happening all over again? Absolutely NOT. You don’t go back. You can only move forward. Does the country see Trump the way you do? No. You have to admit that given the polls. And not all of them are “MAGA” people. They just are not. I don’t like Trump. I don’t like a kind of mindless enthusiasm for him. But then I don’t like a kind of mindless apologizing for Biden either. The country is wading through shit already. I’m not looking forward to the 

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Re: Trump and WrestleMania
Peter Philippson
Mon, 12 Feb 2024 18:16:23 +0000
OK let's go with it. Is there freedom of expression and political or
religious/anti-religious views in Twin Falls? If I moved there and told
people my views would I be threatening their lives or would they be
threatening me? If I killed one of your friends to stop him/her killing
me, would you then shoot my ass? I am being inflammatory?

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john wymore
Mon, 12 Feb 2024 11:46:04 -0700
Ah yes. Wrestlemania. I remember it well. It wasn’t called that at the time. That time was — oh, in the 1940s. TV was black and white and the main attracrtion on these crude sets was their rabbitt ear antenae and a magnifing lense that fit in front of the set to enlarge the picture. The main attraction on this still novel home entertainment was Your Show of Shows straring Sic Ceasar and Imogen Coca. AND hold your breath — Wrestling from some arena in Santa Monica. It was obviously faked and everyone knew it but it was the greatest 

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Philip Brownell
Mon, 12 Feb 2024 11:48:46 -0700
Notice that I said if you come here with a band of crazy leftists (ie, as in a civil war) threatening people and doing harm? Peter, if you came here to live you COULD live. People do that here right now. Twin Falls continues to grow, and a lot of the people coming here are the ones leaving failed left run cities. There is an Islamic prayer center. We have a refugee center pouring people into the community from Africa, Pakistan, and now Ukraine. There is a college. There is freedom of expression. It’s like most other places, with the 

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Philip Brownell
Mon, 12 Feb 2024 11:51:30 -0700
Well done. I remember those broadcasts.

> On Feb 12, 2024, at 11:46 AM, john wymore <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Ah yes. Wrestlemania. I remember it well. It wasn’t called that at the time. That time was — oh, in the 1940s. TV was black and white and the main attracrtion on these crude sets was their rabbitt ear antenae and a magnifing lense that fit in front of the set to enlarge the picture. The main attraction on this still novel home entertainment was Your Show of Shows straring Sic Ceasar and Imogen Coca. AND hold your breath — Wrestling

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Dan Bloom
Mon, 12 Feb 2024 14:03:13 -0500
36.8% of the German population voted for Hitler in the 1932 presidential election. In the next election, the Nazi party received 43.9% of the note. Then there was the plebiscite ( yes or no). 95.7% of the electorate voted “yes” to his assuming power.

Hmm.. What does this tell us?

Figure it out.

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Re: Trump and WrestleMania
Peter Philippson
Mon, 12 Feb 2024 20:19:38 +0000
We have a comedian who plays that character.

Well of course Clint Eastwood is a great actor, and we all love his films.
But [getting angrier] if he came and urinated in our letterbox, I would
give him a slap and say 'Oy Clint, you are a great actor, but I will not
tolerate you urinating in my letterbox'.

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Philip Brownell
Mon, 12 Feb 2024 13:30:43 -0700
Wait. What do you know about the people in Twin Falls? I have been maligning them? I don’t think so. I’m one of them.

This is getting to be ridiculous. Do what you want with your band of friends. Go save the world with them (quite apart from starting a civil war). By all means, Peter. You are a saint.

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Gary Yontef
Tue, 13 Feb 2024 10:49:58 -0800
I remember also. Brings up a lot of memory.

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> On Feb 12, 2024, at 12:31 PM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Wait. What do you know about the people in Twin Falls? I have been maligning them? I don’t think so. I’m one of them.
>
> This is getting to be ridiculous. Do what you want with your band of friends. Go save the world with them (quite apart from starting a civil war). By all means, Peter.

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Dan Bloom
Fri, 9 Feb 2024 08:46:59 -0500
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(For some reason, this post was bounced because it was flagged as a duplicate post. So here it is. Again:

Dear Ones:

This discussion is as predictable as the analyses on CNN, MSNBC, Fox, and so one. You push a Republican button and you get juke box plays unsurprising songs. You push a Democratic and their supporters button and the a different yet same song plays. Push my button and I’ll sing my sing my song, although my throat is sore.

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Philip Brownell
Fri, 9 Feb 2024 08:39:05 -0700
Dan,
The message came through twice.

The country is split. There are extremists on both sides of the split. I was encouraged, nevertheless, by the deliberations of the Supreme Court. Their deliberations, the questions they asked both sides in the Colorado case, showed concern for the intent of the constitution and the implications of allowing a state to dictate elements of a national election. But what was most encouraging is that it appears we are headed to a unanimous decision. This has nothing to do with them being bought and paid for by Trump. Trump himself is a side show.

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Dan Bloom
Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:33:40 -0500
Phil:

There are always extremists on both sides. What is new here? But there are sides, and there are sides. :)

What is new that one side is showing all signs of being delusional worshipping a hero who’s stepped right out of the drama of Wrestlemania and the other side, at its extreme, is still caught up in some elitist worldview.

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Peter Philippson
Fri, 9 Feb 2024 17:00:23 +0000
Dan and Phil,

From my side of the Atlantic, it looks like a trap, the trap of equalising
what isn't equal.

If someone says a political view I disagree with and I try to stop them
speaking, they have a valid free speech argument that they may speak. If
they shout 'Fire' in a theatre (a less destructive equivalent of what Trump
did on January 6th) and I stop them, there is no comparison, no free speech
argument, nor is it an argument to say that I have to prove there was no
fire anywhere in the theatre. The person

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Philip Brownell
Fri, 9 Feb 2024 10:52:02 -0700
Peter,
I’m not following what the “it” is to which you are referring.

I think the Supreme Court has already ruled in a sense on the immunity issue right? Nobody is immune to prosecution for acts committed as president. He cannot send the national guard to execute a political rival. This is one of the reasons that I have always thought the “threat to democracy” assertion was hyperbole—we have checks and balances, and people have already demonstrated that they will not go all the way along with him to the extremes (some will; there is a faction I agree, but

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john wymore
Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:57:59 -0700
Well, I agree Biden has been a competent president. If there as been anyone since JFK who knew how to do politics in America it was Joe Biden. Trump still doen’t understand the concept.
HOWEVER, Joe Biden is in fact the President of the USA and I would like him to show at least a little bit —a tiny bit —of imperiailstic stance. Standing up he exudes zero karisma. He should be using a wheel chair like Greg Abbot. Or always sit behind a desk like FDR did. Most of the public never even knew that he couldnt walk. When

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Re: Re Biden
Philip Brownell
Fri, 9 Feb 2024 12:26:36 -0700
Do you think if Susan Rice were president that they’d have to fit her with a pair of testicles? Maybe not.

Nice to see that you think POTUS is all about appearances. In such a media rich environment it’s probably what matters in the fight for survival. Getting the most women. Impacting the gene pool. All that evolutionary stuff.

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Philip Brownell
Thu, 8 Feb 2024 22:22:51 -0700
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It’s not just a speech impediment, Dan. The Special counsel’s report is damning. As some comgresswoman has asserted, he either needs to be charged with a crime (like Trump) or be replaced as president on the grounds that he is no longer competent to serve. (NOT that I really look forward to Harris becoming president.) 

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Re: Biden
Dan Bloom
Sat, 26 Feb 2022 15:45:47 -0500
I am so glad you are having a second  cup of coffee.  There is nothing like clear thinking to think clearly.

d.

On Feb 26, 2022, 1:54 PM -0500, Sheila M Boland <[log in to unmask]>, wrote:
> Peter,
>
> I reread just now the post from the other day accusing Phil of using a word stick to beat up on Biden.
>
> So yesterday I thought of a parallel process reading through the news regarding USA and Ukraine. I read where the president of Ukraine stated he didn’t need Biden’s offer to escape his country but that he needed reinforcements or extra

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Sheila M Boland
Sat, 26 Feb 2022 20:47:36 +0000
Though I don’t think coffee really helps. Maybe a few hits of LSD.

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Philip Brownell
Sat, 26 Feb 2022 13:53:46 -0700
Reports say Germany agrees to toss Russia out of SWIFT. And to send 1000 anti-tank weapons and 500 Stinger missiles. Thank you Germany. Now maybe Biden will join the Europeans and do likewise.

God bless the Ukrainians. Sustain them. Sew confusion among the invaders. May they lose heart and wander back to Russia.

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Jay Levin
Sat, 26 Feb 2022 16:34:17 -0500
Phil,

Biden already leads the way with sending weapons and backing the SWIFT sanctions before Germany. Perhaps you missed that news?

Agree with: God bless the Ukrainians. Sustain them. Sew confusion among the invaders. May they lose heart and wander back to Russia.

Jay

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Sheila M Boland
Sat, 26 Feb 2022 21:35:49 +0000
Whose news outlets do we believe?

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Jay Levin
Sat, 26 Feb 2022 17:19:12 -0500
Sheila,

Weeks before the violence even erupted, there were reports from the (left and right) press in USA stated that the USA has been sending arms and ammunition to Ukraine and placed the SWIFT sanctions on the table for possible action. Germany initially offered helmets for the Ukrainian troops and was (until Friday, according to the Washington Times - a right of center newspaper) a holdout against SWIFT sanctions. According to Fox News report today 26 February (a reliable right of center news source) “European leaders have moved closer to cutting Russia off from the SWIFT banking system as Germany

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Peter Philippson
Sat, 26 Feb 2022 22:54:12 +0000
Hi Sheila and Jay,

My view is that there is not a great track record of the results of sending
ground troops in Iraq, Afghanistan etc. I said this to my Ukrainian
colleague who was saying about this: 'Be careful what you ask for, you may
get it - do you want to be another Afghanistan or Iraq?'.

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Peter Philippson
Sat, 26 Feb 2022 22:55:05 +0000
Yes, see later in this thread.

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On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 at 18:54, Sheila M Boland <[log in to unmask]>
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> Peter,
>
> I reread just now the post from the other day accusing Phil of using a
> word stick to beat up on Biden.
>
> So yesterday I thought of a parallel process reading through the news
> regarding USA and Ukraine. I read where the president of Ukraine stated he
> didn’t need Biden’s offer to escape his country but that he needed
> reinforcements or extra bullets- roughly paraphrased. So

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Dan Bloom
Sat, 26 Feb 2022 18:13:38 -0500
https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-approves-350-million-military-aid-ukraine-2022-02-26/

You mouth to god’s ears?

Phil, you should get your news from sources other than Fox.

On Feb 26, 2022, 3:53 PM -0500, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]>, wrote:
> Reports say Germany agrees to toss Russia out of SWIFT. And to send 1000 anti-tank weapons and 500 Stinger missiles. Thank you Germany. Now maybe Biden will join the Europeans and do likewise.
>
> God bless the Ukrainians. Sustain them. Sew confusion among the invaders. May they lose heart and wander back to Russia.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 26, 2022, at 1:47 PM,

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Ora McCreary
Sat, 26 Feb 2022 18:24:55 -0500
"Now maybe Biden will join the Europeans and do likewise." (send weapons)

From Slate yesterday:

In the months leading up to Russia’s invasion, the U.S. alone sent $650
million worth of anti-armor and anti-aircraft missiles, as well as radar,
communications gear, and other military supplies.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/02/quick-send-ukraine-more-guns.html

From Reuters today::

The United States drew from U.S. weapons stocks to supply Ukraine in the
fall of 2021 and then again in December. Over the past year the United
States has committed more than $1 billion in security assistance to
Ukraine, Blinken said.

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Re: Biden
Philip Brownell
Sat, 26 Feb 2022 16:54:43 -0700
Ora
I meant join the decision to throw Russia out of SWIFT. As for my news sources, I have based my statements on the (agreed limited) news briefings from Biden himself. Although he could have lead the way in kicking Russia out of SWIFT, he admitted he could not act because the Eorpeans didn’t want to do it. And as it turned out it seems most of them did want to do it and Germany was dragging their heels. BUT. I am not interested in using this situation to Bash Biden. Nobody needs to scrounge around for reasons to criticize

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Re: Biden
Peter Philippson
Sun, 27 Feb 2022 00:01:19 +0000
Phil,

There was a satirical theatre sketch about Germans after the War saying 'We
just thought the Nazis were a patriotic club. As soon as we found out that
it was something worse than that we left.' 'When was that?' '1946'.

Too late to repent of Trump, after all you wrote saying that he was doing
the right thing, although he 'didn't look presidential'.

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Re: Biden
Philip Brownell
Sat, 26 Feb 2022 17:48:32 -0700
Im not repenting. AND I’m not getting sucked into what I said I wasn’t interested in. Think what you want.

> On Feb 26, 2022, at 5:01 PM, Peter Philippson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Phil,
>
> There was a satirical theatre sketch about Germans after the War saying 'We just thought the Nazis were a patriotic club. As soon as we found out that it was something worse than that we left.' 'When was that?' '1946'.
>
> Too late to repent of Trump, after all you wrote saying that he was doing the right thing, although he 'didn't

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Re: Biden
Peter Philippson
Fri, 9 Feb 2024 11:18:17 +0000
Phil, let me explain why I am furiously angry with you.

I have had memory loss since I was 30 (a result of chemotherapy, which you
might also experience) and it has got worse as I got older. I forget names
and dates.

Would you call me incompetent to do my work? Are you not worth paying
attention to because you are also old and sick? Should Richard Kitzler,
Erv Polster, Philip Lichtenberg, Bob Resnick etc. have stepped down as
leaders? This is even more true of a President, especially when surrounded
by aides who can act as an external

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Re: Biden
Charlie Bowman
Fri, 9 Feb 2024 07:07:10 -0500
Hi Peter,

I don’t understand how Biden’s age is impairing anything. It’s a talking
point for Republicans. The Biden economy is stable, growing and
opportunities are growing and available. For all? Of course not. This is
America. Remember, the Republicans voted out equal opportunity. Not that
we ever achieved anything even close.

If you watched any of the Republican pundits responses to this latest jobs
report you can see that hostility and disdain block any awareness of
economic progress or support for success in turning around the plunge we
experienced from two plagues- Covid and Trump.

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Re: Biden
Dan Bloom
Fri, 9 Feb 2024 08:39:31 -0500
Dear Ones:

This discussion is as predictable as the analyses on CNN, MSNBC, Fox, and so one. You push a Republican button and you get juke box plays unsurprising songs. You push a Democratic and their supporters button and the a different yet same song plays. Push my button and I’ll sing my sing my song, although my throat is sore.

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As a people...
Philip Brownell
Fri, 2 Feb 2024 08:45:54 -0700
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Bill Maher: "When historians look back in a hundred years, if we're still here, I don't think they're going to divide the country like we do into these two camps. They're going to say: As a people, they were obnoxious. It happens in different forms on both sides. As a people, they didn't believe in science. On the right, they think global warming is a hoax or whatever nonsense they believe about that. And on the left, they think men can have babies. That's what they'll say. They'll say, ‘As a people, they just lost their s--t.’”
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Re: As a people...
Peter Philippson
Fri, 2 Feb 2024 22:47:47 +0000
You must be desperate Phil.

On the one hand there are people trying to turn America into a fascist
theocracy, invading the seats of power and threatening to kill those they
disagree with, threatening democracy, achieving the legal a system, or
denying climate emergencies while parts of America burns. On the other hand
there are some people whose proprioceptive sense of themselves is of a
different gender to their outer physical appearance. I know, let's find a
form of weasel words that makes them as bad as each other.

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Peter Philippson
Fri, 2 Feb 2024 23:50:41 +0000
Weasel, weasel, weasel...

You are a distinterested social experimenter who supported the guy who as
we predicted pulled apart the social fabric of your country IN THE NAME OF
CONSERVATISM.

Peter

On Fri, 2 Feb 2024, 22:56 Philip Brownell, <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> I’m not desperate Peter. Desperation not in the equation. I’m just quoting
> Bill Maher as a kind of social experiment/ Rorschach test. You know what
> might a person say to this? And there you are.
>
> Phil
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 2, 2024, at 3:48 PM, Peter Philippson <[log in to unmask]>
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Peter Philippson
Sat, 3 Feb 2024 15:56:20 +0000
No, he was the enabler, but he would have been nobody without people who
said 'Well he isn't presidential, but he fulfills our/God's purpose.' Now
who would have said that?!

By the way, field theory doesn't say that an individual isn't very powerful
at times.

Peter

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Re: As a people...
Dan Bloom
Sat, 3 Feb 2024 11:17:21 -0500
I agree Peter.

His emergence is of a field in which he has been a provocateur.

We know in emergence theory that emergent events exert downward non-linear “causation" on that from which they are emergent. This is a sub- and supervenient relationship.

Trump is both the swamp gas emergent of the swamp and the swamp itself. :)

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Re: As a people...
Peter Philippson
Sat, 3 Feb 2024 17:37:16 +0000
Thanks Dan.

I think there are arguments to be had about all those points, but the main
thing is the totally dumb attempt to provide a spurious parity between
actions that weaken the democratic and legal bonds that hold a nation
together or that sustain our capacity to live comfortably on our planet,
and the gender thing which only really affects those involved.

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Peter Philippson
Sat, 3 Feb 2024 18:41:37 +0000
The swamp seems to be most dangerously peopled by those who talk about the
swamp!

Peter

On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 at 18:29, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Dan
> One difference. That which emerges is not identical to that from which it
> emerges. The swamp gas is not the swamp. They are indeed in a sub- and
> supervenient relationship, and so Trump emerged from and is of a complex
> adapting field, and he now exerts a downward influence over it. But the
> field is still self adapting. There is a Haley. There are more people

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Peter Philippson
Sat, 3 Feb 2024 19:51:15 +0000
Poor old Trump, sent mad by the shady swamp creatures.

You are dangerously delusional.

Peter

On Sat, 3 Feb 2024, 19:00 Philip Brownell, <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> That you say that Peter shows that you are surely part of it. Actually no
> one stands outside of it
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 3, 2024, at 11:59 AM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> As far as Maher’s observation goes, I think it is directed at the swamp.
> Let’s take it away from science. Do I think that Taylor Swift is a sinister
> agent

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Dan Bloom
Sat, 3 Feb 2024 16:38:06 -0500
Wow.

So you bought the line the “swamp.” I am shocked, not surprised.

Trump has directly said he will remove from the civil service everyone he thinks has or will be disloyal to him. He has said he’d pardon the insurrectionists and other criminals found guilty by courts of law. He said he will direct the justice department to hunt down democrats. (By the way, he has no authority to do that. Just ask Wm Barr. Or read the constitution.) He said he’d consider ordering the military to invade Mexico — and into American cities. I don’t know which would

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Re: As a people...
Peter Philippson
Sat, 3 Feb 2024 21:53:17 +0000
Hi Dan,

But why Phil's flatulence now? Why does he buy the definition from those
who would force Americans to be 'good Christians' in their mould?

And notice Phil's line 'AND, I did not expect the resistance of the
established government system that helped turn the guy into the very worst
version of himself'. If you recall, the resistance was to stop Trump doing
really crazy stuff, but now those who did that are to blame for how Trump
is now. Myths in the making.

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Dan Bloom
Sat, 3 Feb 2024 17:24:28 -0500
Peter.

You make a good point about fascism. Trump’s rallies use Village People songs. Loathsome fascists used better music. Wagner? LOL

Dan

> On Feb 3, 2024, at 4:53 PM, Peter Philippson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Hi Dan,
>
> But why Phil's flatulence now? Why does he buy the definition from those who would force Americans to be 'good Christians' in their mould?
>
> And notice Phil's line 'AND, I did not expect the resistance of the established government system that helped turn the guy into the very worst version of himself'. If you recall, the resistance was to

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Re: As a people...
Peter Philippson
Sat, 3 Feb 2024 22:31:28 +0000
Don't use my writings against me: I know them better than you!

'The swamp' is not a field description but a dehumanising dog-whistle. And
those who come running to it are the dogs who have been trained to run to
it. That is how 6th Jan. worked.

And rather than lose everything you will follow the dog whistle, the
book-banning, the establishment of a particular religion, the trashing of
the constitution in the name of conservatism. Double-think. The playing
of word games is over. People have died.

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Peter Philippson
Sat, 3 Feb 2024 22:32:32 +0000
Have you tried dancing to Wagner?

P

On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 at 22:25, Dan Bloom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Peter.
>
> You make a good point about fascism. Trump’s rallies use Village People
> songs. Loathsome fascists used better music. Wagner? LOL
>
> Dan
>
> On Feb 3, 2024, at 4:53 PM, Peter Philippson <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Dan,
>
> But why Phil's flatulence now? Why does he buy the definition from those
> who would force Americans to be 'good Christians' in their mould?
>
> And notice Phil's line 'AND, I did not

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Dan Bloom
Sat, 3 Feb 2024 17:53:57 -0500
Actually, no. :)

> On Feb 3, 2024, at 5:32 PM, Peter Philippson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Have you tried dancing to Wagner?
>
> P
>
> On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 at 22:25, Dan Bloom <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>> Peter.
>>
>> You make a good point about fascism. Trump’s rallies use Village People songs. Loathsome fascists used better music. Wagner? LOL
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>> On Feb 3, 2024, at 4:53 PM, Peter Philippson <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Dan,
>>>
>>> But why Phil's flatulence now? Why does he buy the definition from those who would

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Dan Bloom
Sat, 3 Feb 2024 20:27:54 -0500
Try this as an entry point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62_q6Imd8cA&ab_channel=SelinSch%C3%B6nbeck
Richard WAGNER METAL-Version - Ein Schwert verhieß mir der Vater (Wälse!)
youtube.com

> On Feb 3, 2024, at 7:08 PM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Ah. I will have to listen. One of those things I never got around to. A deficiency I’m sure.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 3, 2024, at 5:03 PM, Dan Bloom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> I never danced t Wagner
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Philip Brownell
Sat, 3 Feb 2024 18:56:47 -0700
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Re: As a people...
Dan Bloom
Sat, 3 Feb 2024 21:09:36 -0500
Just let me know if you need the context for that event in the Ring of the Nibelungen. I call it an “event” and not an aria because it is a pivot point in the drama and because it is way beyond the simple beauty of the performance.

That band in the video also did a heavy metal rendition of one of the movements of Brahms’s Deutsche Requiem.

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Dan Bloom
Sat, 3 Feb 2024 21:18:28 -0500
Phil:

The French philosopher Alain Badiou called Wagner the first rockstar and compared him to David Bowie. Badiou said the performances of Wagner at his Festspielhaus (his own opera house) were like rock concerts. Fanatics came from around the world to attend. Women were known to faint when they heard the first chord of Tristan und Isolde.

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Philip Brownell
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Dan Bloom
Sat, 3 Feb 2024 23:40:37 -0500
Unimaginable.
No one could have those qualities.

Wait a second. I am beginning to get a sense of someone…Nah! Can’t be.

Dan

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> Can you imagine anyone with these below traits and qualities?
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>> Amoral, lawless, career criminal, pathological narcissism, sociopath, horribly litigious, scores of unpaid bills, loses extreme amounts of other peoples’ money, devoid of empathy, temperamentally unfit, unqualified, sexually assaultive, deep belief it is OK to denigrate others, easily turns on friends, very effective con, fraudulent, reckless, extreme liar, behaves like a mob

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john wymore
Sun, 4 Feb 2024 09:01:41 -0700
Excellant Work, Mister Neggerman,Excellant. Now if I can onlhy find a way to put it all on a bumper sticker.

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> Can you imagine anyone with these below traits and qualities?
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>> Amoral, lawless, career criminal, pathological narcissism, sociopath, horribly litigious, scores of unpaid bills, loses extreme amounts of other peoples’ money, devoid of empathy, temperamentally unfit, unqualified, sexually assaultive, deep belief it is OK to denigrate others, easily turns on friends, very effective con, fraudulent, reckless, extreme liar, behaves like a mob boss,

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Peter Philippson
Sun, 4 Feb 2024 16:15:24 +0000
If you want the Trump people to read it, it would have to be short anyway.

Peter

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> Excellant Work, Mister Neggerman,Excellant. Now if I can onlhy find a way
> to put it all on a bumper sticker.
>
> On Feb 3, 2024, at 9:07 PM, Jack Neggerman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Can you imagine anyone with these below traits and qualities?
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> *Amoral, lawless, career criminal, pathological narcissism, sociopath,
> horribly litigious, scores of unpaid bills, loses extreme amounts of other
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> On Feb 4, 2024, at 10:56 AM, Jack Neggerman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Here John:
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> “LOCK UP THE ORANGE MENACE!!! “
>
oooooooo. do you remember The Prisoner speaking of an orange menace ?
NYIGT WINTER SPECIAL EVENT: Encountering Artificial Intelligence – Exploring a Phenomenology of Embodied Experience
Dan Bloom
Wed, 3 Jan 2024 22:32:44 -0500
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I am happy to send you this announcement. This looks like it will be an exciting presentation.

I hope you are all well.

Dan

>
>
>
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> WINTER SPECIAL EVENT:
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> Encountering Artificial Intelligence – Exploring a Phenomenology of Embodied Experience
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> Presenters: Maciej Lukaszewicz and Claire Spiller
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> When: Sunday, January 14, 2024 @ 1:00 p.m.–3:30 p.m. New York time
> Where: Zoom!
>
> Link: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/83011578259 <https://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001_KOIdJCIrVH5tow8-qjgBXql1St788_haeo5qUXNTVs9EYLhuzWOhNE8DUjGy3T7SpIsX4nrOuK_lSP1EQdZK_5O2lGGmmIq8w1DS1zqA9I2YOE8pdFZNnDrIgx07zElXg6edH5L1FA2oDSuR5WyJ4nuP5MGyxa_OjhiXm1w46Q=&c=0grhVZZyWfMO6j_S4wkYR-oMOeLd_SpF9TMR9C_FNFsoRZ_qWbeHRA==&ch=il5N1eYHwdYJv9jkrIv_9Ay8BpwXzar6UtHAf6w56-J8CRyYbfdQoA==>
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> Please RSVP: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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> Description:
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> On October 30, 2023, the White House announced an executive order on global AI safety.


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Kamila Bialy
Thu, 4 Jan 2024 21:48:52 +0100
Dan, this looks very interesting, thank you for the information and
invitation !
Happy New Year everyone 🎆

Kamila Bialy Ph.D.
Institute of Sociology, University of Lodz, Poland
Gestalt therapist

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> I am happy to send you this announcement. This looks like it will be an
> exciting presentation.
>
> I hope you are all well.
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> Dan
>
>
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> Presenters: Maciej Lukaszewicz and Claire Spiller
> WINTER SPECIAL EVENT:
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> Encountering Artificial Intelligence – Exploring a Phenomenology of
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Seasons Greetngs
Dan Bloom
Thu, 14 Dec 2023 11:17:32 -0500
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We at the NYIGT wish all our friends and colleagues best wishes for the holidays and for a happy new year.

The weight our common situation is heavy. We wish you all safety, peace, and good health.

Dan Bloom, president
www.newyorkgestalt.org
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Re: Seasons Greetngs
Philip Brownell
Thu, 14 Dec 2023 09:20:20 -0700
Dan.
Best to you as well. How many times is this for you being president at NYIGT?

> On Dec 14, 2023, at 9:17 AM, Dan Bloom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> We at the NYIGT wish all our friends and colleagues best wishes for the holidays and for a happy new year.
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> The weight our common situation is heavy. We wish you all safety, peace, and good health.
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> Dan Bloom, president
> www.newyorkgestalt.org
> ______________ Gstalt-L is an independent eCommunity of people interested in gestalt therapy theory and its various applications. Its public archives

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Re: Seasons Greetngs
Dan Bloom
Thu, 14 Dec 2023 11:22:25 -0500
This is my third term. I was last president about 20 years ago. What????

My best to you and Linda.

D.

> On Dec 14, 2023, at 11:20 AM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Dan.
> Best to you as well. How many times is this for you being president at NYIGT?
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>> On Dec 14, 2023, at 9:17 AM, Dan Bloom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> We at the NYIGT wish all our friends and colleagues best wishes for the holidays and for a happy new year.
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Carl Hodges
Dan Bloom
Fri, 1 Dec 2023 20:19:30 -0500
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I just posted this to the NYIGT FaceBook page. It was my honor to write this for my friend.

Carl Hodges
by Dan Bloom, President

Carl Hodges was our first president chosen by us members -- and the second president of the International Association for the Advancement Gestalt Therapy. He died this fall after a long illness. He was 80.
Carl is survived by his wife, Marie, daughter Carrie, and a brother -- and by so many of us across the world whom he touched with his sharp analytical intelligence, careful psychotherapeutic skills, which were informed by his gentle heart

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Note from an Elder
john wymore
Mon, 6 Nov 2023 10:35:45 -0700
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There are’nt many people left who were trained when Fritz and Laura were still alive. I’ll be 91 at the end of this month. I often wonder at the Impact that my training had on my life , especially how it has grown through the years. It was certainly due in part to the unique personalities of my trainers at the New England institute (Lee, Allen, and Kathy) plus adjuncts like Erv, Miriam, Bob, and Neila. It may have been due to the total effect of the encounters with the many fellow trainees. It might have been because of the 

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Philip Brownell
Mon, 6 Nov 2023 11:05:12 -0700
Hi John. I am happy to read you here.

I am, God willing, going to be 76 near the end of December. My brother died late this summer, and he was 71. I am watching a generation passing in the arts, in science, in psychotherapy, and in my family. And here. I wish you time well beyond 91, but we will all die. I planted twenty new trees last week, and put mulch around them. And paid for it with my body. All that getting down low to the ground, digging in the dirt, pulling weeds, mixing planting mix with

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john wymore
Mon, 6 Nov 2023 13:25:36 -0700
Hi Phil —Thank you for your reply.Your first paragraph nails the experience of a little bit of labor demanding a hugh price. For me it takes the following day to recover.My main exercise is a short jaunt on my recumbent tricycle. And now that the pool is closed , that’s what I do for my lower bodyl . But my arms and shoulders need special attention so I rigged up a set of rubber tubes for my upper body. And I try (sic) to alternate between the trike and tubes. The major problem is not just my age. I have 

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Re: Note from an Elder
Philip Brownell
Mon, 6 Nov 2023 13:45:31 -0700
Hi John,
Yes. Pace. I find that while there are many possible things to do, and some are exciting to think about, there are not many projects I’m willing to do. Time is waning. I have planted the trees that will grow up around a small pasture so that there will be a meadow. We will install the last sprinkler system in the spring so that I don’t have to drag a lot of hose to keep them watered in the hot summer. I have benches in a meditation post that overlooks the meadow. I have two writing projects I

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Re: Note from an Elder
Peter Philippson
Mon, 6 Nov 2023 21:47:25 +0000
Hi John,

Lovely to hear from you. 91!! Great.

I'm still actively working and travelling to teach at 71, and still doing
Aikido.

That sense that the world can be changed by our activity spoke to me, both
from GT and from the writings of Paul Goodman that I read when I was a
student radical in the 1970s.

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Jack Neggerman
Mon, 6 Nov 2023 22:08:25 -0500
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Israel At War: In the Beginning There Was The Word | Rabbi Angela Buchdahl
Philip Brownell
Sat, 14 Oct 2023 10:30:40 -0600
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https://youtu.be/QAEjbCtZiqw?si=4sAaqWzNY9sTn356

This is spot on.

Accordingly, I — a usual conservative Republican — am drawn to and appreciative of President Biden’s statements of support for Israel. I am also hopeful that a female presidential candidate of color (Nikki Haley) can continue to rise and ultimately replace Trump. All that aside, Rabbi Angela Buchdahl nails it.

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inquiry
Dan Bloom
Mon, 25 Sep 2023 08:13:32 +0200
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The NYIGT got an inquiry:

"Hi, I am a graduate student at Teachers College, Columbia University. I am very interested in research in Gestalt Therapy and wonder if you guys know there is any research project in NYC I can look into? I wonder if I can find some projects that I can volunteer.”

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Re: inquiry
Philip Brownell
Mon, 25 Sep 2023 09:38:35 +0300
Hi Dan
Not in NYC. I’m still in Kyiv, and I met yesterday with colleagues here who have started a dedicated gestalt research organization. They asked if I would consult with them. I will, but that illustrates how far a person from the states would have to go to do research on gestalt therapy.

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Re: inquiry
Deirdre Winter
Sun, 1 Oct 2023 02:09:58 +0200
Hi Dan,

If the enquirer is willing to consider reaching out to people in the US
and internationally online, some people in IAAGT are just making some
interesting initiatives in research.

The person to contact would be Christine Stevens.

Her e-mail address can be found on the Board page of the IAAGT website:

https://iaagt.org/board-of-directors-executive-council/

Christine is in the 6th row of photos.

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Borodianka, Bucha, Irpin
Philip Brownell
Sat, 23 Sep 2023 09:47:33 +0300
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We hear about Bucha. 511 (and still counting) people murdered. Many left in the streets. Many tortured in basements for days. But we don’t hear much about Borodianka anymore. Dignitaries are not brought there. It’s a small rural town where a bomb took out the center of an apartment building, and we saw the place on the news when it happened. What we didn’t see was what happened then. The people buried the dead in a mass grave behind the ruins of the apartment building and piled debris on top of it. 

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Re: Borodianka, Bucha, Irpin
Peter Philippson
Sat, 23 Sep 2023 09:03:13 +0100
I find it wonderful to work with people who are culturally supported not to
collapse into shame but to face what is painful.

Best wishes,

Peter

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wrote:

> We hear about Bucha. 511 (and still counting) people murdered. Many left
> in the streets. Many tortured in basements for days. But we don’t hear much
> about Borodianka anymore. Dignitaries are not brought there. It’s a small
> rural town where a bomb took out the center of an apartment building, and
> we saw the place on the news when

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Philip Brownell
Sat, 23 Sep 2023 14:39:44 +0300
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Peter Philippson
Sat, 23 Sep 2023 13:59:20 +0100
That is true Phil. And more: if we collapse we can't process anything. The
cultures that support not collapsing make therapy much easier, not just war.

Say hi to the KGU people from me.

Peter

On Sat, 23 Sept 2023, 12:40 Philip Brownell, <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> One gestalt trainer at KGU put it this way: now is not the time to
> collapse and process all the crud. Now is still the crisis. Now is to
> survive.
>
> Phil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 23, 2023, at 11:03 AM, Peter Philippson <[log in to unmask]>
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Re: Borodianka, Bucha, Irpin
Peter Philippson
Sat, 23 Sep 2023 16:29:53 +0100
Yes George was my regular translator in Kyiv. ALWAYS overworked! Got very
severe Covid at the start of the pandemic. Had a lovely Georgian local
restaurant near where he lived (that area I think got blown up).

Peter

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> Dear Peter
> I have already said hello for you. And for Gianni. I have referred to you
> as a friend with whom I differ on subjects but a friend I admire and for
> whom I have respect. I have tried to be here on my own terms, so

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Margherita Spagnuolo - Istituto di Gestalt HCC Italy
Mon, 25 Sep 2023 21:39:40 +0200
Thank you Phil for your sharing, and for giving my greetings to Ukrainians
colleagues.
I’ve spent lastly many hours with Inna, the director of Kyiv gestalt
university. A wonderful and courageous woman. As Peter says, Ukrainian
people are able to face pain and be proud of who they are.
Thank you again. Good luck while continuing your journey.

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Re: Borodianka, Bucha, Irpin
Gianni Francesetti
Tue, 26 Sep 2023 08:31:41 +0200
Thank you Phil for somehow bringing us there, with you.
George often translated me, he has always been very busy :-))

Best wishes for your journey!
A warm hug,
Gianni

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[log in to unmask]> ha scritto:

> Dear Peter
> I have already said hello for you. And for Gianni. I have referred to you
> as a friend with whom I differ on subjects but a friend I admire and for
> whom I have respect. I have tried to be here on my own terms, so as not to


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Re: Borodianka, Bucha, Irpin
Rosie Burrows
Tue, 26 Sep 2023 11:15:29 +0100
Great to hear colleagues dialogue on experiences in other countries.

I will be offering a Supervision workshop in Galway, Ireland, in two weeks time, on developing an indigenous and research based approach to therapy and live supervision that draws deeply on our cultural strengths in closeness to nature, traditional music, folk song, poetry, spirituality, dark and light humour, and coming through adverse experiences with courage and craic/playfulness.

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In Kyiv
Philip Brownell
Wed, 20 Sep 2023 17:45:02 +0300
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Completing a three-day trip we are finally in Kyiv. I will have three lectures and a lecture/workshop to do. I will say “Hi” for you, Peter. Kind of tired. The last leg of the trip was an eighteen hour train ride in a compartment with a lovely Ukrainian grandmother who was on her way back from visiting her daughter in Portugal; she spoke no English. (I have a wonderfull video of Lydia and Linda trying to make a bed in the train compartment.). 

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Re: In Kyiv
Gianni Francesetti
Wed, 20 Sep 2023 17:14:01 +0200
Great Phil!
Please, say hi! also on behalf me.
Best wishes

Il mer 20 set 2023, 16:45 Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> ha
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> Completing a three-day trip we are finally in Kyiv. I will have three
> lectures and a lecture/workshop to do. I will say “Hi” for you, Peter. Kind
> of tired. The last leg of the trip was an eighteen hour train ride in a
> compartment with a lovely Ukrainian grandmother who was on her way back
> from visiting her daughter in Portugal; she spoke no English. (I have a
> wonderfull video of Lydia

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Re: In Kyiv
Peter Philippson
Wed, 20 Sep 2023 16:32:09 +0100
Well done!

Have a good and useful time.

Peter

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> Completing a three-day trip we are finally in Kyiv. I will have three
> lectures and a lecture/workshop to do. I will say “Hi” for you, Peter. Kind
> of tired. The last leg of the trip was an eighteen hour train ride in a
> compartment with a lovely Ukrainian grandmother who was on her way back
> from visiting her daughter in Portugal; she spoke no English. (I have a
> wonderfull video of Lydia and Linda

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Wed, 20 Sep 2023 19:01:04 +0300
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Re: In Kyiv
Dan Bloom
Wed, 20 Sep 2023 19:48:34 +0200
Phil:

I hope things go well for you and Linda.
It sounds like you are doing terrific things.

Dan

> On Sep 20, 2023, at 4:45 PM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Completing a three-day trip we are finally in Kyiv. I will have three lectures and a lecture/workshop to do. I will say “Hi” for you, Peter. Kind of tired. The last leg of the trip was an eighteen hour train ride in a compartment with a lovely Ukrainian grandmother who was on her way back from visiting her daughter in Portugal; she spoke no English. (I have

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Re: In Kyiv
Philip Brownell
Wed, 20 Sep 2023 20:53:49 +0300
Dan. So far the terrific things we have accomplished is washing the journey off in the shower and then ordering food at an outdoor restaurant.

Phil

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2023, at 8:48 PM, Dan Bloom <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Phil:
>
> I hope things go well for you and Linda.
> It sounds like you are doing terrific things.
>
> Dan
>
>> On Sep 20, 2023, at 4:45 PM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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Re: In Kyiv
Dan Bloom
Wed, 20 Sep 2023 20:06:34 +0200
:)

> On Sep 20, 2023, at 7:53 PM, Philip Brownell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Dan. So far the terrific things we have accomplished is washing the journey off in the shower and then ordering food at an outdoor restaurant.
>
> Phil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 20, 2023, at 8:48 PM, Dan Bloom <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>
>> Phil:
>>
>> I hope things go well for you and Linda.
>> It sounds like you are doing terrific things.
>>
>> Dan
>>
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Re: In Kyiv
Alan Meara
Thu, 21 Sep 2023 08:39:37 +1000
Hello all,

Here in Downunder land, there is great felt support for Ukraine and acknowledgement of the invasion. Who knows what will happen, but good to hear what you’ve been doing Phil, and Peter.

Warmest, Alan

From: Dan Bloom
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 4:06 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: In Kyiv

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Conference 2023: Beyond Trauma
Gianni Francesetti
Mon, 12 Jun 2023 15:22:10 +0200
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Hi all,
I share here the 'save the date' of a dialogue between GT and relational
psychoanalysis.
I guess that some of you may be interested.
Warmly,
Gianni
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Re: Conference 2023: Beyond Trauma
吴艳敏
Tue, 13 Jun 2023 14:03:16 +0800
Thank you, Gianni! Yanmin ---- Replied Message ---- | From | Gianni Francesetti<[log in to unmask]> | | Date | 06/12/2023 21:22 | | To | GSTALT-L<[log in to unmask]> | | Subject | Conference 2023: Beyond Trauma | Hi all, I share here the 'save the date' of a dialogue between GT and relational psychoanalysis. I guess that some of you may be interested. Warmly, Gianni -- Gianni Francesetti M.D., Psychiatrist, Gestalt Therapist IPsiG - International Institute for Gestalt Therapy and Psychopathology www.ipsig.it Poiesis - Turin Clinical Center for Gestalt Therapy www.poiesistorino.it Psichiatra Psicoterapeuta Via Cibrario 29, 10143, Torino Istituto Internazionale di Psicopatologia e Psicoterapia 

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Re: Conference 2023: Beyond Trauma
Peter Philippson
Wed, 14 Jun 2023 11:13:06 +0100
Dear Gianni,

Thank you for sharing that information.

Unfortunately I will be away working that whole weekend. I hope there will
be recordings of sessions.

Best wishes,

Peter

On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 at 14:22, Gianni Francesetti <
[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I share here the 'save the date' of a dialogue between GT and relational
> psychoanalysis.
> I guess that some of you may be interested.
> Warmly,
> Gianni
>
> --
> Gianni Francesetti
> M.D., Psychiatrist, Gestalt Therapist
> IPsiG - International Institute for Gestalt Therapy and Psychopathology
> www.ipsig.it
> Poiesis -

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Re: Conference 2023: Beyond Trauma
Gianni Francesetti
Wed, 14 Jun 2023 13:53:27 +0200
Thank you Peter!
Yes, the conference will be recorded.

Il giorno mer 14 giu 2023 alle ore 12:13 Peter Philippson <
[log in to unmask]> ha scritto:

> Dear Gianni,
>
> Thank you for sharing that information.
>
> Unfortunately I will be away working that whole weekend. I hope there
> will be recordings of sessions.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Peter
>
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 at 14:22, Gianni Francesetti <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I share here the 'save the date' of a dialogue between GT and relational
>> psychoanalysis.
>> I

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Listen to this
Philip Brownell
Fri, 9 Jun 2023 08:41:07 -0600
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYpzjoNhgxU <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYpzjoNhgxU>

This guy makes sense and sounds like a problem solver that is not given to the frustrating divide between left and right.
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