Wes Peterson let a gadfly get under his skin and then blasted back:

[Please don't do it, Wes.  She's too easy a target.  Save some of that fire
for the days ahead.  We're dealing with important stuff here and your input is
needed.  Rex]
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> Liza:
>
> > (By the way - you avoided my question about which school you're
> > attending. Which school is it? Certainly not Bastyr - they're pretty
> > good at training their students to think, and providing a breadth of
> > information there that would preclude the simplistic 'theories' like
> > those you have expressed here.)
>
> Your sarcasm makes my raw blood almost boil.
>
> Liza - I hear you just completed second grade. How did you do on your
> report card? Did you get a sticker (one of those big puffy ones)?
>
> > Once again, refer to the description of the list that you got when you
> > signed on, which David posted, just for you, a couple of weeks ago. This
>
> You're flawed. You can't even remember correctly. David did not post
> that.
>
> > foods. This list does not have an "agenda" to convert everyone,
> > regardless of their dietary needs, into a raw-food vegan. Had you
>
> If you're hinting that has been my "agenda" to convert people, and not
> only that - but to a raw-food vegan -- then, boy your "logic" is truly
> insane.
>
> > No, YOU are the one that singled out protein loss as the factor you were
> > addressing. Look at your own post.
>
> Yes, and I just sent some references (which you previously said I didn't
> even know what one was).
>
> > Precisely which other factors are you referring to? Spell them out, and
> > then it is possible to discuss whether or not cooking affects them, or
>
> Boy, aren't you the entertainer. See references I just posted for more
> info - one drop in the bucket of the whole picture re: cooked.
>
> > You're contradicting yourself. Last time you said you believe everyone
> > should eat only raw foods. Everyone.
>
> Please show me where I stated this. I did say raw is superior to cooked
> in my opinion. Again, show me where I said everyone should eat raw
> (although that isn't such a bad idea).
>
> > Yeah, it's that us-and-them thing. We, the good guys, would never, ever,
>
> I see you have a way of twisting the meaning of what I said.
>
> > EVER, ever, ever eat those bad evil nasty cooked egg whites, or pizza,
> > or gawd forbid, weight-gainer or weight-loser powders. Only stupid
> > people do any of those things. Or the bad guys.
>
> No, only people who don't know any better, or don't care, or are
> addicted.
>
> > someday). Then, you can still eat pizza and be cool.
>
> I suppose you're among the "cool" pizza-eating clan, huh?
>
> > But man - those guys that eat pizza and ENJOY it - oh wow. Uncoolness
> > Incarnate. Especially the ones that seem strong and healthy and happy.
>
> Boy, you have a way of justifying your addictions. Did you get your
> nutrition degree from Dominos? ;)
>
> > What precisely do you mean by biological value? How are you defining
> > that term?
>
> LOL!!! And you call yourself a "nutritionist"?!
>
> > YOU are the one that used your own leanness to support your raw-egg
>
> No, raw fats in general. Not just raw eggs, which are used in
> moderation.
>
> > eating. YOU are the one that introduced body fat percentage as the guage
> > for health, not Jean-Louis. HE tried to respond logically to YOUR
> > statement Wes.
>
> He told me he knows lean pizza-eaters, in response to my saying I eat
> raw fats and am lean. I then followed up by saying that leanness isn't
> the only factor in health. So what's your point?
>
> > Yet again, this list is not FOR or AGAINST any diet. It is a forum for
> > consideration of the complexities of human biochemistry as they pertain
> > to nutrition and health, with a particular focus on raw foods.
>
> Your attitude seems strongly opposed to eating all raw. You appear to be
> strongly AGAINST my eating all raw (as evidenced by this and previous
> posts - you told me it would be wise to eat cooked, if you recall).
>
> > You just DO NOT GET IT. Reminds me of the two blondes that go out to fix
> > a fence, and the one says "hey some of these nails have the points on
>
> Boy, you know, I would just love to wring your neck right now.
>
> > Zonian, French, Jenny Craigistic, pedophilian, what-have-you.
>
> "Pedophilian"? - pretty sick!
>
> > He may very well have been healthy, too, right up to his death. I don't
> > think you understand about health, and death, yet. Hopefully that comes
> > later in your studies at -- what school is it?
>
> Yeah, heart attack = healthy. I pity those who go to you for your
> almighty "nutritionist" wisdom.
>
> > Well, if you're going to make dumb statements, proof is required. If you
> > make a weency bit smarter statements, no proof is required.
>
> Nothing but dumbness from you so far.
>
> > No, this is a very dumb list. There is an unusually large proportion of
> > stupid people on this list, for some reason.
>
> It's only as dumb as its weakest link, which looks to be you at this
> point.
>
> > Actually, yes. I would like that, if it's not too much trouble. Exactly
> > which aspects of that diet are you referring to? Since the term SAD is
> > so widely inclusive, I'd like to know precisely what you mean when you
> > speak of that diet.
>
> Wow, you sound like you have just incredible credentials. I suppose you
> recommend pizzas to your clients.
>
> > I, in fact, do question that "fact."  And I would like to hear your
> > favorite definition of SAD.
>
> LOL!!!!!!!!! You dig yourself deeper every time.
>
> > I'm not sure. What do you think? Are you on the right list? What do you
> > think this list is about?
>
> I think I should be the one asking YOU that question. All your posts are
> lousy. Every one. You contribute NOTHING to this list of value (except
> sarcasm and entertainment for the bored reader).
>
> > Since health is determined by many other factors besides food, his
> > health could, in fact, be quite excellent, eating only these things. I
> > see people all the time that have subsisted for years - decades -
> > lifetimes - on chocolate bars, potato chips, pepsi, and an occassional
> > hamburger "for the protein" (with lettuce and tomato added since
> > everybody knows you're supposed to eat vegetables). And these people are
>
> I explain that by seeing the fact that you include those items in your
> diet as well, and thus need every justification imaginable to try to
> prove they are healthful.
>
> > often - and I'm using the word often not sometimes - strong, healthy
> > from every way one might ascertain this aspect, cheerful, and
> > fun-loving. How do you explain that?
>
> My explanation, FWIW: Genetic makeup/constitution varies in people. Some
> people can smoke every day and live to 100. Some die at 40. This isn't
> to say that the abovementioned people are anywhere near optimal health.
>
> > > Road kill doesn't appeal to me. When I see a dead animal laying on the
> > > road, I certainly don't get excited about it and desire to imbibe in
> > > that putrefying flesh.
> >
> > You might if you were hungry.
>
> Eating all raw, I'm rarely hungry (getting lots of nutrients!) And if I
> was, I would not eat a dead, decaying animal, nor would the thought of
> it tempt me.
>
> > > But to each his/her own.
> >
> > Aha! You haven't said this before.
>
> If you look at my previous posts on this list (many of which you have
> conveniently ignored), you'll see that I have stated that before (to
> appease).
>
> Wes