Angel,

You are twisting what I said.


At 05:17 PM 8/19/2014, you wrote:
>There are many references to this topic on Google.  Most hold your 
>belief that a person can kill himself and not repent of this act and 
>still can go to heaven.  So, if you are of the belief that the 
>majority rules concerning a subject.  I suspect you are right, and 
>there is no reason to try to save the life of someone who would 
>rather live with God than to live here on this earth.  Because, 
>according to you and to these sources, it won't matter if the victim 
>is saved prior to killing himself.  Because God might  let him in 
>anyway.  At least that is what Satan will surely tempt him with.  If 
>ever the opportunity arises.  In fact, once a person is saved, 
>according to some, he has a get in to heaven pass regardless what 
>sins he commits after being saved.  Because all sins are forgiven 
>past present and future.  There are also those who want to please or 
>to comfort people, I think, rather than to either understand or to 
>tell the truth about so many things.  The following is an example of 
>this point of view:
>"I believe that, as Christians, we should worry less about whether 
>Christians who have killed themselves go to heaven, and worry more 
>about how we can help people like them find hope and joy in living. 
>Our most urgent problem is not the morality of suicide but the 
>spiritual and mental despair that drags people down to it."
>
>Loved ones who have died at their own hands we can safely trust to 
>our gracious God. Loved ones whose spirits are even now slipping so 
>silently toward death, these are our burden.
>
>Lewis B. Smedes is professor emeritus of theology and ethics at 
>Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, California. His latest book 
>is Standing on the Promises: Keeping Hope Alive for a Tomorrow We 
>Cannot Control (Thomas Nelson)."
>
>
><http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2000/july10/30.61.html?paging=off>http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2000/july10/30.61.html?paging=off
>If those who did such dastardly deeds were more concerned over their 
>eternal residence, and less over what troubles them momentarily, 
>more would be residing longer on this spot of green in the 
>universe.  I however subscribe to the opinions of the 
>following:  "Will Suicide send someone to hell?
>
>Today's Question: I'm not a Catholic; but, my mother was raised 
>Catholic so many of her beliefs were handed down to us. I am a 
>Christian with strong beliefs in Jesus and I believe my friend Jesus 
>loves us even when we make mistakes and suicide is wrong but I think 
>it is a mistake even one a Christian can do. My mother says that one 
>who commits suicide goes to Hell.
>
> From my studies, the only thing that would send us to Hell would be 
> to deny Jesus as our Savior. But that even in believing Jesus as 
> our Savior does not mean we will be perfect even in death or even 
> strong in life no matter how hard we want to we strong in life.
>
>I have wondered about this because I know of a Christian who loved 
>Jesus with all her heart and suffered from co-dependency in a 
>dysfunctional home. She suffered for so long and asked Jesus so 
>carry her into heaven to live with Him as she sliced her wrists 3 
>1/2 inches on one wrist, 3 inches on the other wrist and 4 inches in 
>the upper thigh. She wrote that her Hell was on earth and that she 
>couldn't stand one more day of it. She wrote that she prayed to God, 
>as she performed her murder on herself, that He would forgive her 
>for this sin as He had forgiven her of the others she had done in 
>the past. She stated that the Bible says that He will not allow one 
>to stand more than one can bear and that He is our strength. She 
>stated that she wasn't strong--knowing the Lord is strong but not 
>her and asked to be carried to heaven to live with Him from that moment on.
>
>I've asked a couple of other pastors this question but they will not 
>answer at all. I know even pastors are human and that we can't look 
>into the future and know the answers of heaven and hell for each 
>individual. Do you have any opinions on the matter?
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Mary Bell
>
>Bible Answer: In response to suicide: The Bible describes two 
>believers who committed suicide: King Saul and Judas. For sure Judas 
>went to hell. Peter said about him in Acts 1:16-18:
>
>and said, "Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled which the 
>Holy Spirit spoke long ago through the mouth of David concerning 
>Judas, who served as guide for those who arrested Jesus--he was one 
>of our number and shared in this ministry." (With the reward he got 
>for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, 
>his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out.
>
>This Scripture implies that Judas was not saved.
>
>The other story is about King Saul. He was fatally wounded in 
>battle, so to avoid torture he killed himself. From David's words 
>about Saul, it appears that Saul went to heaven. He says, 2 Sam 1:23 
>"Saul and Jonathan--in life they were loved and gracious, and in 
>death they were not parted..." We know that Jonathan was godly, so 
>if Saul and Jonathan were not parted in death, this would mean Saul 
>is with Jonathan in heaven. I should also note that this passage may 
>simply mean that they died together in battle, not necessarily that 
>they are still with each other in death. At any rate, Saul killed 
>himself only because he was trying to avoid torture, and he was 
>going to die soon anyway.
>
>Mary, the way I explain suicide is this: I tell believers to fear 
>God enough not to take the risk. You could lose your soul by 
>committing suicide, so it's better to simply play it safe and trust 
>God to make you happier. I lean to the idea that most cases of 
>suicide lead to damnation. I wouldn't bet on anyone going to heaven 
>who committed suicide. I think the odds are against the person. 
>Besides, suicide is the ultimate statement of unbelief. People 
>commit suicide because they don't have faith that God will help 
>them, and we are saved by faith.
>
>We have received many angry emails over my answer, usually because 
>someone has lost a close friend or relative to suicide. Here is a 
>sample email that represents many irate emails along with my response.
>
>Reaction: I may be reacting in the flesh and you probably won't even 
>get this, but I cannot sleep until I write this. Maybe I should 
>write it and then click delete. I have a personal relationship with 
>Jesus Christ that I am so very grateful to have and grow. I lost a 
>dear childhood friend today to suicide. He was an awesome athlete in 
>high school. He was an awesome Christian who did not mind showing it 
>to his peers. He was an All-American High School Honor Roll student. 
>His entire family are Christians.
>
>I was disturbed today, that my little sister said he is going to 
>hell. I do not believe this. I do not believe the sure ticket to 
>HELL is to commit suicide. My God is more loving and merciful than 
>that to his people.
>
>I am disturbed at your opinion about suicide, also. I do not believe 
>it has a place on the net for those people searching for answers and 
>comfort at a time like this. It is an opinion not an answer. No 
>where in the Bible does it say suicide is a sure ticket to Hell. I 
>cannot find anything in the Bible that says you go to hell for 
>committing suicide.
>
>I would like to encourage you to take your opinion of something 
>unknown off the Internet. I think it is very damaging to those who 
>have a personal relationship with God and those who I hope come to know him.
>
>Ann
>
>Tom's Response: I sympathize with your grief, but it would be a 
>mistake for me to tell people that they can make heaven and still 
>commit suicide. God is merciful and if people make heaven despite 
>suicide, wonderful! But there is no scripture to prove you can, so I 
>believe it is best to fear God so much that you would never commit 
>such an act. Peter says, "If it is hard for the righteous to be 
>saved, what will become of the ungodly and sinner" (1 Pet 4:18)
>
>Committing suicide is not a sure ticket to hell, because there is no 
>ticket to hell. It is the other way around, Jesus is the ticket to 
>heaven, however, Jesus said many will say that He is Lord, but He 
>will reply, "Depart from me." Faith is not simply mentally agreeing 
>to the facts of the gospel, but being changed by the gospel. And 
>then one must continue in faith and not give in to unbelief. There 
>is no "once saved, always saved" promise from God. Even if it were 
>true that someone was saved, that does not mean that his or her 
>salvation is "unconditionally secured." One still must persevere and 
>trust God to the end, not end their lives through suicide.
>
>You said that my answer is "very damaging to those who have a 
>personal relationship with God." How could my answer damage someone's faith?
>
>Maybe what you mean is that someone like yourself who lost a friend 
>through suicide will not be comforted with this article because I 
>refuse to license suicide as a gateway to heaven. For sure my answer 
>won't comfort you.
>
>The article is meant to discourage suicide not to comfort those who 
>lost love ones through suicide. I'm not thinking of you when I write 
>this article, but those who are contemplating this act.
>
>I do understand your grief, but imagine if I told people that they 
>could still make heaven and commit suicide. That message may be what 
>they wanted to hear so they could be given a false sense of security 
>that they will leave their unhappiness here and enter glory in the next life.
>
>A similar message is given to suicide bombers in the Islamic faith. 
>They think that if they kill themselves and others through a Jihad 
>they will enter a wonderful heaven full of virgin wives. This false 
>doctrine gives people courage to go through such a diabolical 
>act.  It should almost go without saying, but any Muslim who murders 
>others through suicide will not make heaven, for the Scriptures say, 
>"No murderer has eternal life" (1 John 3:15).
>
>(in this reference, what does the word no mean.  I think it means 
>exactly what it says.  When it says "no murderer.")  I think there 
>is a delicate correlation between that and Christian suicide. As 
>long as people think they will enter heaven by such an act, perhaps 
>we unwittingly give people courage to go through with it. I refuse 
>to give anyone such false hope.
>
>Despite what I said, my prayers are with you."
>
>
><http://www.tbm.org/willsuicide.htm>http://www.tbm.org/willsuicide.htm
>
>"What no one wants to hear or to read is this, however.  Which may 
>be just what is needed to save a even one life is this:
>"But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually 
>immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part 
>in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second 
>death (Rev. 21:8, NKJV).
>No exception to the above is made anywhere in Scripture for a person 
>who was once a Christian, then commits suicide because of a bad 
>combination -- painful circumstances, hopelessness and a belief in 
>eternal security (the belief that you can never go to hell once you 
>become a Christian)!
>
>Mental Illness and Suicide
>Some have tried to excuse the sin of suicide (premeditated 
>self-murder) with the following rationale: If one is mentally ill, 
>he isn't responsible for his actions. To excuse any form of murder 
>this way, including self-murder, is not Scriptural. There is 
>absolutely no Biblical backing for such a statement! Besides, mental 
>illness isn't the root of sin, the heart of man is. Jesus tells us 
>where murder proceeds from:
>
>What comes out of a man is what makes him unclean. For from within, 
>out of men's hearts come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, 
>murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, 
>arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man 
>'unclean' (Mk. 7:20-23, NIV).
>Please note that murder (regardless the form) comes from the heart 
>and is not a mental illness, according to the Lord!
>  Such people who yield to this temptation won't be going to heaven, 
> since they committed murder and couldn't repent of it!
>
>It is vitally important that suicide, like other satanic 
>temptations, be steadfastly resisted. In other words, don't even for 
>a moment entertain suicidal thoughts. Anyone who yields to this 
>satanic temptation of murder, and becomes a suicide, will only be 
>intensifying their own pain and misery in eternity, not escaping it! 
>People in hell at this moment because of suicide would do anything 
>to have the chance you have to reverse their actions but can't. It's 
>too late forever for them."
>
><http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/suicide.htm>http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/suicide.htm
>
>I didn't even look at the Catholic sourses for an explanation of my opinions.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:[log in to unmask]>Pat Ferguson
>To: <mailto:[log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 10:45 AM
>Subject: Re: Did you hear about Robin Williams?
>
>Is that really true?
>
>If one who truly loves Jesus and who knows Him as their Savior, and 
>who is truly Born Again will go to hell if they commit suiside?
>
>where does it say that in the scriptures?
>
>Thanks much.
>
>Many Blessings,
>
>Pat Ferguson
>"I can Do all Things Through Christ Who Strengthens Me." Phillippians 4:13.
>
>
>At 09:34 AM 8/19/2014, you wrote:
>>You are right on about that.
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>On Aug 18, 2014, at 10:17, Angel 
>><<mailto:[log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask] > wrote:
>>
>>>When a person commits suicide he goes to hell.  No "get out of 
>>>jail free card."  This is true in all religions.  Because he 
>>>murders himself.  We can judge those who have committed this 
>>>horrible act surely.  My nephew once decided in a drunken state, 
>>>to commit suicide.  Because he was "saved" and he wanted to see, 
>>>and to be with Jesus.  Because he judged his life to be 
>>>miserable.  Without any hope of getting better.  I talked to him, 
>>>and told him he surely wouldn't be seeing Jesus if he did kill 
>>>himself.;  Not to mention the hurt and anguish he would be causing 
>>>his dear mother.  Who never did anyone any harm what-so-ever.  He 
>>>chose to just sleep it off somewhere, and has now a much better 
>>>and finer life than he had then.  Which he would never have had 
>>>had he committed suicide.
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: <mailto:[log in to unmask]>Pat Ferguson
>>>To: <mailto:[log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask]
>>>Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 9:39 AM
>>>Subject: Re: Did you hear about Robin Williams?
>>>Okay, folks, this is not true. It was mentioned in an email from 
>>>The Elijah List, that Robin Williams had Accepted Jesus as his 
>>>personal Savior many years ago.
>>>Who are we to judge?
>>>Thanks much.
>>>Many Blessings,
>>>Pat Ferguson
>>>"I can Do all Things Through Christ Who Strengthens Me." Phillippians 4:13.
>>>
>>>
>>>At 05:33 PM 8/16/2014, you wrote:
>>>>Yes very sad. He didn't know Jesus. So he had no hope.
>>>>Sent from my iPhone
>>>>On Aug 12, 2014, at 12:02, Angel 
>>>><<mailto:[log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask] > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Did you hear Robin Williams killed himself because he was 
>>>>>depressed?  Well, here is an example of a man who either didn't, 
>>>>>or didn't know he had the option of casting all his care on the 
>>>>>Lord.  Rather he probably took all those serotonin managing 
>>>>>drugs to manage his depression.  Which, rather than truly 
>>>>>bringing Pease to the soul, jump start the brain in to producing 
>>>>>more serotonin than it had been producing.  Then when the 
>>>>>receptors exhaust themselves, the person slides in to an even 
>>>>>deeper, more profound depression than he began with when he 
>>>>>began taking the drugs.  It would have been so much simpler had 
>>>>>he learned the secret Jesus shared with us two thousand years 
>>>>>ago to cast all his care on Him.  After all, drug companies make 
>>>>>a business from the sale of the drugs they make us think we need 
>>>>>to cure  this or that thing.  He would have been a lot happier 
>>>>>and more healthy mentally and physically than he is today.  How 
>>>>>it is people can keep having more faith in human doctors than 
>>>>>they have in the God of the universe  never will stop amazing 
>>>>>me.  Not to mention he is truly the devil's now.  Being in hell 
>>>>>as he now is.  Isn't it simpler to cast ones cares on Jesus than 
>>>>>to risk languishing and suffering hell for eternity.  Should one 
>>>>>go so far into depression one kills oneself?  I certainly 
>>>>>do.  In fact, I will bet fewer people die from taking Jesus 
>>>>>advice concerning how to live than who die putting their whole 
>>>>>faith in what it is doctors say for them to do.  That is why I 
>>>>>don't take their advice if I can avoid it.  In fact, I listen to 
>>>>>doctors as often as sinners read the bible and take Jesus advice 
>>>>>regarding how to live.
>>>>>**The nice thing about being a celebrity is that
>>>>>if you bore people they think it's their fault.**
>>>>>Henry Kissinger
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>Thanks much.
>>
>>Many Blessings,
>>
>>Pat Ferguson
>>"I can Do all Things Through Christ Who Strengthens Me." Phillippians 4:13.

Thanks much.

Many Blessings,

Pat Ferguson
"I can Do all Things Through Christ Who Strengthens Me" Philippians 4:13.