ANGEL. JUDAS STILL HAD A CHOICE. AS WE ALL DO. MY PASTOR ALWAYS SAID THAT
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JUDAS AND PETER IS WHEN JUDAS BETRAYED JESUS HE
DIDN'T ASK FOR FORGIVENESS... PETER DID ASK AND GOT FORGIVENESS. JUDAS?
ONLY AFTER HE SAW WHAT THEY DID TO CHRIST DID HE REGRET IT. SO NO... I
DON'T FEEL SORRY FOR JUDAS IN THE LEAST.
Jen and MAMA-Star
"Friends are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble
remembering how to fly."
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: Poor Reuben
> This is why I have always felt sorry for Judas. He was the one God had
> planned to betray Jesus. He did this and wasn't so much different from
> St.
> Peter really as they both betrayed a good friend. I believe he felt after
> hearing of all the wondrous miracles Jesus had done concerning raising the
> dead and such that Jesus would come down from the cross and say "see you
> fools I am really the messiah after all." Then Judas would come off the
> hero for betraying him and causing this big announcement. When this
> didn't
> happen he, realizing what he had done, went into a depression so deep he
> saw
> no other way out save to hang himself. After all, how could he face the
> other disciples and the world after what he had done. HE serves as a
> lesson
> to me, no matter how bad things get I must just wait till my change comes
> and I will be delivered out of whatever trouble in which I find myself. I
> suppose there are other biblical characters from whom I can take this
> lesson
> but I chose Judas because we betray Jesus many times in smaller ways and
> he
> is always quick to forgive us for our transgressions. I think if Judas
> had
> lived he would have been one of the greatest Saints the world would have
> ever known. He is also the only one of us all who never did have the
> opportunity to be redeemed. This is so sad I think. ----- Original
> Message -----
> From: MV <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:36 AM
> Subject: Re: Poor Reuben
>
>
>> Kathy,
>> That's an interesting perspective. I guess Jacob, being the one to
>> swindle
>> his brother's blessing or inheritance from his dad, must have thought the
>> mold is broke and so he could continue to break tradition and do as he
>> pleased or something? Hmmm. I guess we can look at this whole thing of
> how
>> things came to be, in two perspectives or frameworks. That is the whole
>> lineage to Jesus via Leah not Rachel and for that matter God's hand in
>> man's history. Perhaps this is against what some believe I don't know,
> and
>> perhaps it is a "What came first the chicken or the egg thing", but had
> God
>> purposed things to play out as they had, or had he continued to provide
>> opportunity for man to make the right choices and follow his leading each
>> time man came up short? I think of the time of the flood when he said he
>> was sorry he made man and then wiped the slate clean other than a few
> prime
>> specimens of humans to give it another whirl. I mean was that planned?
>> He
>> knows everything yes, but was that entire failure of man purposefully
>> planned by God? If prophecy showed Jesus would be handed over by a
> betrayer
>> for 30 pieces of gold, if Judah wasn't the one to have it in him to go
>> through with it, could one of the others been presented with the
>> opportunity? Did God make this large design of swindled blessings,
>> betrayals, and shortcomings, and otherwise specifically choose the
>> players
>> which we read about, or was it by their own choice that they chose the
>> roads they did and God used that? It kind of gets mind boggling if you
>> think of freewill he has given us, and yet he is in control of
>> everything. Talk about questions we could ask God when we see him, but
>> it
>> won't much matter then and we probably won't be in much shape to play the
>> reporter. It is interesting to look at characters from their own little
>> perspective in their part they play in history. I think I'll read that
>> account again Kathy and watch Reuben more closely. Thanks for the
>> homework
>> assignment. lol.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>> At 09:55 AM 1/23/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>> >Hey, while you guys are talking about the contributions of Judah and
>> >Leah, as I have been re-reading the same story, my heart has gone out
>> >to Reuben, for the first time. When you think about it, that guy
>> >really got a raw deal. I mean, think about it! He was the first
>> >born. He should have received the blessing, the birth right and up
>> >to half of the inheritance, according to Eastern custom. But, Jacob
>> >didn't really like his mother so he ignored the boy. I suppose that
>> >Reuben was a teenager when he decided to get it on with Bilhah, but
>> >chances are, that could have been an act of desperation, and
>> >frustration on his part. It was kind of an, in your face, I'm a man
>> >now too, sort of thing. Maybe a kind of "peeing on the father's
>> >turf," kind of challenge. Chris went through that kind of an
>> >attitude a lot with us. Not toward me necessarily, I just mean that
>> >pack mentality attitude of challenging the leader. Some boys are
>> >just like that. Then, as he gets older, he is the first brother to
>> >plead for Joseph's life and is secretly hoping to be able to sneak
>> >Joseph back to Jacob and come off as a hero so that, maybe Jacob will
>> >finally notice him and love him and recognize him as a person, but
>> >no, that is not to be. Then, in the end, he gets nothing. Jacob
>> >won't even acknowledge him on his death bed except to say, you
>> >screwed up and I'll never forgive you for it, even with one foot in
>> >the grave. Reuben must have ended up a very bitter person. He had
>> >to suck up to his little brother just to stay alive. Jacob was
>> >really a lousy parent, you know that? Incredible. I'll say one
>> >thing for the bible, it doesn't hide the truth!
>> >Kathy
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> A lot of kneeling will keep you in good standing
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