The protruding stones you see were to hold scaffold PY
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Topics of the day:
1. N'awlins or bust
2. Customs house
3. My date with the first lady
4. New Orleans final report (2)
5. the high art thing this summer/fall has been to see ...
6. Deb's evil twin?
7. There Will Always Be a Texas - Chapter XXXIV
8. N'awlins history
9. terminology question: projecting stones or bricks on old castles... (3)
10. image of the thing i am talking about although i do not know its name or
what it
11. image of the thing i am talking about although i do not know its nam...
(5)
12. see, even the lurkers have something to contribute!!! (3)
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 07:14:53 -0400
From: "Pamela S. Follett" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: N'awlins or bust
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Wish I could be there in body, but I am with y'all in spirit. Good
thing the mix won't be freezing,<br>
<br>
- Pam<br>
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face="Arial" lang="0" size="2"> Cresant city bound monday am<br>
no revervations ,no rules. no pets<br>
just quit my cigareetes<br>
<br>
Rudy will be there <br>
Ken too ..<br>
doing what we call<br>
the ol soft shoe<br>
<br>
Sleeping in my truck <br>
camping in the grave yard<br>
get hip ol daddy its better <br>
than the barnyard <br>
<br>
Floozies on one arm <br>
trowel across the other <br>
tell all the wimmins <br>
they better take cover <br>
<br>
PTN is there all of next week <br>
when we make Bourbon street <br>
We will dance and sing far from home <br>
daytime job setting timber and stone<br>
<br>
So leave your troubles behind <br>
and pack the suitcase <br>
no more traffic in your face <br>
hop the plane , and bring your share <br>
PTN and .....see you there ...Py<br>
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:01:21 EDT
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Subject: Customs house
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Sorry a personal e mail was mis-sent out entitled "customs house "
we regret this error appologize for its submittal Michael
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:13:58 -0200
From: Gabriel Orgrease <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: My date with the first lady
Yeah... or Yale for that matter.
> >I would like to know your faces better.
>
> Toivi Blatt, a prisoner at Sobibor said: "People ask me `What did you
> learn [from working at Sobibor]?' and I think I'm sure of only one
> thing - nobody knows themselves. Sometimes when someone is really nice
> to me I find myself thinking - `How will he be at Sobibor?"
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:24:29 -0200
From: Gabriel Orgrease <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: New Orleans final report
Brian,
You bring up an interesting point which is the restoration and
repopulation of ghetto. I get this magazine called Orion (Rudy turned me
on to it though he might not know that) and there was a photo-article
some time back re: urban ecology of ghetto. It was distrubing. I do not
have the impression that NOLA was ever anything to compare to the sheet
metal sheds that I saw over the hill in Mexico, or wherever I think
outside the US we go off the tourist track. John Nichols in Guatamala w/
a hooker sort of epiphany. I am curious to what extent NOLA will be
repopulated not by wanna-be middle class for the tourist industry as
much as by the illegal aliens we keep hearing about on Lou Dobbs.
Particularly that there is such a desperate need for an unskilled
workforce right about now. For those comng to the US from even worse
places NOLA could be a significant upgrade.
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:28:30 -0200
From: Gabriel Orgrease <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: the high art thing this summer/fall has been to see ...
c-
Keep in mind that with the help of modern chemistry you too can make
black clouds in the sky just by being brave enough to look at the sky.
Day or night.
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:29:59 -0200
From: Gabriel Orgrease <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: New Orleans final report
> ps; Is HP an abbreviation for Hippy?
>
Rudy,
Only in your case.
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:36:27 -0200
From: Gabriel Orgrease <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Deb's evil twin?
> Going through me email this morning, I found an offer for Rolex
> watches at unbelievable prices from Dee Bledsoe. Is there a black
> sheep in the family?
>
> - Pam
News to me.
Dee?
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:12:21 EDT
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: There Will Always Be a Texas - Chapter XXXIV
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From an Amazon Review:
An Undiscovered Classic, With A Pleasant (For Some) Hitch, October 17, 2006
Reviewer:J. Reynolds (Houston, TX United States) - See all my reviews
This is a great old bath soap, extremely effective against dirt and grease,
and wonderful for its aroma. After I began using Safeguard a few years ago, I
noticed that women increasingly wanted to be near me. I would find that, on
elevators and in other tight spaces, they would crowd in close to me (pretending
they could not help it). In stores and libraries, at pharmacies and DVD rental
places, in church and while buying groceries, I find myself quickly
surrounded by women who appear to be subliminally drawn to the Safeguard aura.
It's not
that they want to visit or anything -- they don't ask me out, and stuff of
that nature, like with the Aramis cologne -- but they do have a strong
subconscious desire to be near me... and it's definitely the Safeguard.
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ainst dirt and grease, and wonderful for its aroma. After I began using Safe=
guard a few years ago, I noticed that women increasingly wanted to be near m=
e. I would find that, on elevators and in other tight spaces, they would cro=
wd in close to me (pretending they could not help it). In stores and librari=
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:25:13 -0400
From: Mary Ruffin Hanbury <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: N'awlins history
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May I recommend--the Last Madam--wonderful novel about the last great =
brothel owner in 20th Century New Orleans--excellent read
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Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 11:27 AM
Subject: [BP] N'awlins history
In a message dated 10/22/2006 2:00:16 AM Central Daylight Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
I am currently strolling up and down Bourbon Street looking at our =20
>cultural heritage on the skids. It is like one big frat party going =
=20
>on for about 3/8 mile.
True the quarter is the oldest part of N'awlins=20
but historically speaking very few of its upstanding citizens
including my great grat grandfather ever lived there.
Because of French and Spanish traditions allowing prostitution to be =
legal
certain streets were allowed for such activity.
Enter the corruption of 19 Th. century Louisiana - American politics=20
and legalized prostitution coupled with legal gambling made for 90% =
of the quarter almost the entire quarter was rife with =
bordellos,grogeries. gambling houses, and houses of prostituition,The =
city received enormous sums in the form of "tax "
from these houses some streets like basin were high brow and a =
strumpet would cost about $50 bucks in a gilded room with your shoes =
shined the next day outside your door .....the next street over and you =
could bet a mere stall in the back room of the bar for about $5.
Most of the American public today is unaware that the quarter was the =
cross roads of the very rich mercantile market of the Mississippi. Day =
in day out goods were brought down river to market and port and slave =
traffic was coming in from Cuba and the Caribbean as well as =
immigrants from Europe=20
Fortunes were made here; and the quarter was wide open for business=20
where it became known as the original sin city.
It was a place for rich and poor to play in. but it was also =
treacherous, certain streets you could not walk down without getting =
robbed, gangs ruled certain neighborhoods, corruption got so bad that =
towards the end of the century when the Sicilian Mafia made inroads here =
and murdered a popular policeman (inspector)
top lawyers were brought in and got the accused acquitted, even after =
one of them confessed.
Incensed, town notables fed up, organized themselves and broke down =
the prison where the defendants were given shelter by the law and =
executed every one of them.
Black or white Corruption and old boy politic was endemic to new =
Orleans right up to and after katrina ......Now when I see the young =
women barring their breasts from the balconies and smell the stench of =
beer coming from the tawdry arcades over the tee shirt and noisy dives =
I am comforted that this crazy drunk Mardi Gras place is a mere shadow =
of its former self=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>May I recommend--the Last =
Madam--wonderful novel=20
about the last great brothel owner in 20th Century New =
Orleans--excellent=20
read</FONT></DIV>
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AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [BP] N'awlins =
history</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial size=3D2=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" PTSIZE=3D"10">In a message dated 10/22/2006 =
2:00:16 AM=20
Central Daylight Time, <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</=
A>=20
writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE">I am currently strolling up and down Bourbon Street =
looking at=20
our <BR>>cultural heritage on the skids. It is like one big =
frat=20
party going <BR>>on for about 3/8 mile.<BR><BR>True the =
quarter is=20
the oldest part of N'awlins <BR>but historically speaking very few =
of its=20
upstanding citizens</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>including my great grat =
grandfather ever=20
lived there.<BR><BR>Because of French and Spanish traditions allowing=20
prostitution to be legal<BR>certain streets were allowed for such=20
activity.<BR>Enter the corruption of 19 Th. century Louisiana - =
American=20
politics <BR>and legalized prostitution coupled with legal =
gambling made=20
for 90% of the quarter almost the entire quarter was rife with=20
bordellos,grogeries. gambling houses, and houses of prostituition,The =
city=20
received enormous sums in the form of "tax "<BR>from these houses some =
streets=20
like basin were high brow and a strumpet would cost about $50 bucks in =
a=20
gilded room with your shoes shined the next day outside your door =
.....the=20
next street over and you could bet a mere stall in the back room =
of the=20
bar for about $5.<BR><BR>Most of the American public today is =
unaware=20
that the quarter was the cross roads of the very rich mercantile =
market of the=20
Mississippi. Day in day out goods were brought down river to market =
and port=20
and slave traffic was coming in from Cuba and the =
Caribbean as=20
well as immigrants from Europe <BR>Fortunes were made here; and the =
quarter=20
was wide open for business <BR>where it became known as the original =
sin=20
city.<BR>It was a place for rich and poor to play in. but it was also=20
treacherous, certain streets you could not walk down without getting =
robbed,=20
gangs ruled certain neighborhoods, corruption got so bad that towards =
the end=20
of the century when the Sicilian Mafia made inroads here and murdered =
a=20
popular policeman (inspector)<BR>top lawyers were brought in and got =
the=20
accused acquitted, even after one of them confessed.<BR>Incensed, town =
notables fed up, organized themselves and broke down the prison =
where=20
the defendants were given shelter by the law and executed every one of =
them.<BR>Black or white Corruption and old boy politic was endemic to =
new=20
Orleans right up to and after katrina ......Now when I see =
the=20
young women barring their breasts from the balconies and smell the =
stench of=20
beer coming from the tawdry arcades over the tee shirt and =
noisy=20
dives I am comforted that this crazy drunk Mardi Gras =
place is a=20
mere shadow of its former self <BR></FONT>-- To terminate puerile =
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:05:39 EDT
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Subject: terminology question: projecting stones or bricks on old castles...
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Older-style castles - keeps, really - sometimes have irregular patterns of
projecting stones or bricks. They are not decoration, and they look to me like
they could only serve to provide an attacker an aid in scaling the walls.
What are these things, and why?
Christopher Gray
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:23:03 -0500
From: John Callan AIA <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: terminology question: projecting stones or bricks on old
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Repunsel put them there.
-jc
On Oct 23, 2006, at 1:05 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
>
> Older-style castles - keeps, really - sometimes have irregular
> patterns of projecting stones or bricks. They are not decoration,
> and they look to me like they could only serve to provide an
> attacker an aid in scaling the walls.
>
> What are these things, and why?
>
> Christopher Gray
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:52:36 EDT
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projecting stones or bricks
C-
Projecting up like crenellation or out? Got an image?
(medieval) Village Idiot
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:41:33 EDT
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Subject: image of the thing i am talking about although i do not know its name
or what it
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Projecting up like crenellation or out? Got an image?
(medieval) Village Idiot
projecting out, like little foot or hand holds - just a masonry unit, like
its mates, but pushed out.
this
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://users.stlcc.edu/mfuller/Shaizar/DonJonStoneWorkA.JPG&imgrefurl=http://users.stlcc.edu/mfuller/Shaizar.htm
l&h=700&w=525&sz=97&hl=en&sig2=W_edbbuyMLeAshu9nDsyew&start=205&tbnid=tTMSCYlG
TSlgVM:&tbnh=140&tbnw=105&ei=CwM9Rbi3NJuoaPnFrdQI&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcastle%2B
keep%26start%3D198%26ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26s
a%3DN
has some, although they are mostly round, which is not what I am talking
about.
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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Projecting up like crenellation or out? Got=
an image?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">projecting out, like little foot or hand=
holds - just a masonry unit, like its mates, but pushed out.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">this <A href=3D"http://images.google.com=
/imgres?imgurl=3Dhttp://users.stlcc.edu/mfuller/Shaizar/DonJonStoneWorkA.JPG=
&imgrefurl=3Dhttp://users.stlcc.edu/mfuller/Shaizar.html&h=3D700&=
;w=3D525&sz=3D97&hl=3Den&sig2=3DW_edbbuyMLeAshu9nDsyew&start=
=3D205&tbnid=3DtTMSCYlGTSlgVM:&tbnh=3D140&tbnw=3D105&ei=3DCw=
M9Rbi3NJuoaPnFrdQI&prev=3D/images%3Fq%3Dcastle%2Bkeep%26start%3D198%26nd=
sp%3D18%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN">http://images.=
google.com/imgres?imgurl=3Dhttp://users.stlcc.edu/mfuller/Shaizar/DonJonSton=
eWorkA.JPG&imgrefurl=3Dhttp://users.stlcc.edu/mfuller/Shaizar.html&h=
=3D700&w=3D525&sz=3D97&hl=3Den&sig2=3DW_edbbuyMLeAshu9nDsyew=
&start=3D205&tbnid=3DtTMSCYlGTSlgVM:&tbnh=3D140&tbnw=3D105&a=
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">has some, although they are mostly round=
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I am guessing (without an image) that they are corbels remaining in-situ
from a perhaps redundant and dismantled battlement. The battlements projected
in
front of the castle walls proper at the top and were supported by the
corbels projecting from the walls. The battlements were structurally
problematic if
not well maintained and tended later to fall on innocent castlebystanders
and litigious members of the Bloomsbury Group.
I am referring your query to a friend and colleague at Historic Scotland
however, for a possible informed answer.
MVI
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<DIV>I am guessing (without an image) that they are corbels remaining=20
<EM>in-situ</EM> from a perhaps redundant and dismantled battlement. The=20
battlements projected in front of the castle walls proper at the top and wer=
e=20
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structurally problematic if not well maintained and tended later to fall on=20
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:08:24 EDT
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Subject: Re: image of the thing i am talking about although i do not know its
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I am guessing (without an image) that they are corbels remaining in-situ
yeah, i know what you mean, but the examples I've seen have too many, in too
widely dispersed locations, to be surviving elements of battlements.
i also sometimes see the detail in 20th century revivalism when "medieval" is
the style requested by the client, although that is not really relevant here.
c
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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">yeah, i know what you mean, but the exam=
ples I've seen have too many, in too widely dispersed locations, to be survi=
ving elements of battlements. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">i also sometimes see the detail in 20th=20=
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:23:53 +0000
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Subject: Re: image of the thing i am talking about although i do not know its
nam...
From their spacing they resemble the projecting ends of log joists. Maybe they
are a masonry representation of a traditional log construction.
Brian Scott Robinson, MHP
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C-
NOW I see. You're talking about the randomly spaced lighter spots on the
wall? My best guess is that they may be infill at cavities in the wall which
rec'd log outriggers for repairs/repointing work. This is a not unusual feature
on medieval stone walls, and is a left- over from Roman construction - the
cavities are still open on the Pont du Gard, the coliseum and Maison Carre at
Nimes, and many of the Roman structures in southern Gaul. The Palais du Papes
in Avignon is similarly pocked.
FMVI
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>NOW I see. You're talking about the randomly spaced lighter spots=20=
on=20
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C-
NOW I see. You're talking about the randomly spaced lighter spots on the
wall? My best guess is that they may be infill at cavities in the wall which
rec'd log outriggers for repairs/repointing work. This is a not unusual
feature on medieval stone walls, and is a left- over from Roman construction
- the cavities are still open on the Pont du Gard, the coliseum and Maison
Carre at Nimes, and many of the Roman structures in southern Gaul. The
Palais du Papes in Avignon is similarly pocked.
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...don't keep hidin' your light under a bushel! c
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it's only an intermittent light, like a strobe
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<P><FONT size=3D2> Mary Ruffin Hanbury<BR>Preservation Commission =
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:30:13 EDT
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Subject: Re: see, even the lurkers have something to contribute!!!
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Mary,
Let it shine, shine, shine on us heathens!
Twybil
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