You make that sound easy. I'm sure it would work but who has the extra money
for something like that?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Oyen" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: anyone else having problems with chirp in windows?
>I figure, about the only way to make the author of chirp sit up and take =
> notice is to purchase his time. throw a few thousand USD at him from =
> distributed sources with the proviso that he make the needed changes, he =
> will. Who in their right mind wouldn't take the money? Hell, if we could =
> get the folks at NV association (makers of NVDA) to shove a small amount =
> his way, and then we announce to the world that we donated to his =
> project for the express purposes of getting a much needed feature =
> included (accessibility), he would have to take best effort to do so or =
> look bad in the FOSS community (taking money and then not doing as =
> requested would be the same as if he black listed himself).
>
> most people don't think that a little money will work, but it is amazing =
> what a few extra $$$ will do.
>
> -eric
>
> On Jul 24, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Butch Bussen wrote:
>
>> I agree, but they say it is accessible because it works with n v d a,=20=
>
>> not a good excuse in my book. However, the free stuff won't work at=20=
>
>> all. It is like that software for converting e books, I forget the=20
>> name, but it won't work with speech at all and from what I've been =
> told=20
>> the author doesn't care. Wonderful! Wonderful!
>> 73
>> Butch
>> WA0VJR
>> Node 3148
>> Wallace, ks.
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Wed, 23 Jul 2014, John=20
>> Miller wrote:
>>=20
>>> Kenwood's free software is speech friendly. I see RTsystems software =
> as
>>> lacking pretty bad for what you pay then having to put another screen =
> reader
>>> on just for that software and I can't stand that screen reader. =
> RTsystems
>>> software was a lot better before than it is the last couple years.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Butch Bussen" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: anyone else having problems with chirp in windows?
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> Yep, but it works and their cable works on other radios. As far as =
> I
>>>> 73
>>>> Butch
>>>> WA0VJR
>>>> Node 3148
>>>> Wallace, ks.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> know none of the "free stuff" will talk at all. So, what good is =
> it. On
>>>> Wed, 23 Jul 2014, Colin McDonald wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> yeah, except the RT systems software costs more than the damn =
> radio.
>>>>> And, you have to use their cable, so they say; an additional higher =
> cost.
>>>>> 73
>>>>> Colin, V A6BKX
>>>>>=20
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Justin Mann" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 6:14 PM
>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: anyone else having problems with chirp in windows?
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> If possible I think you all should try the Rt systems programmers. =
> They
>>>>>> do work with Nvda, and the guy has made attempts to make his =
> software
>>>>>> accessible. yes you will have to pay a little, but the folks at
>>>>>> Rtsystems
>>>>>> will help.
>>>>>> On Jul 23, 2014, at 7:11 PM, Colin McDonald =
> <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> I was able to get chirp to get past the welcome screen, but I =
> don't
>>>>>>> remember
>>>>>>> how I did it...something to do with jaws cursor and using the =
> left
>>>>>>> mouse
>>>>>>> button...once inside chirp however, it was limited in what was =
> spoken
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> accessible...I could read the radio, and get partial information =
> from
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> of the fields, but no where near enough to be able to program the =
> radio
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> the software.
>>>>>>> I could however access import/export functions which means I =
> could
>>>>>>> import
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> CSV file and write it to the radio...so if you can make up a =
> spread
>>>>>>> sheet
>>>>>>> csv file with all the info you want to write to the radio, you =
> should
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> able to make it work eventually.
>>>>>>> This was several versions of chirp ago from about 2 years ago, so =
> i
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> know if something has changed to make it totally unusable with =
> jfw.
>>>>>>> I didn't find it at all useful and found programming by hand was =
> far
>>>>>>> quicker
>>>>>>> and easier than fighting with chirp.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> 73
>>>>>>> Colin, V A6BKX
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> From: "Eric Oyen" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 5:54 PM
>>>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>> Subject: anyone else having problems with chirp in windows?
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> hello guys,
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> does anyone else here have problems getting chirp to work in =
> windows?
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>> tried both the stable and development versions and I can't get =
> past
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>> opening screen on the program. In fact, I can't even tell whats =
> in the
>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>> opening screen. Its blank to both jaws and NVDA. It also doesn't
>>>>>>>> present
>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>> me with the standard elements in the pull down menu (in fact, no =
> pull
>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>> down menus at all).
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> I sent this problem over chirp users list as a feature request =
> and
>>>>>>>> bug
>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>> report. So far, no one has even deigned to respond to it. The =
> last
>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>> I tried to report it as a bug, I got a lot of pushback from some =
> of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>> other users and even the developer (who didn't seem interested =
> in
>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>> anything to change the interface). that was a year ago and as =
> far as I
>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>> can tell, the attitude is still the same level of indifference =
> as =3D
>>>>>>>> before.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> now, since I am totally blind, and the windows machine has no =
> screen,
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>> can't use the program as it currently is configured.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> my other request on that list was for some scripts (jaws) that =
> would =3D
>>>>>>>> work with the chirp application. So far, about all I have heard =
> from =3D
>>>>>>>> there is crickets chirping (ha ha bad joke, but true).anyway, =
> can I
>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>> a little help convincing the developer of chirp that it would be =
> a
>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>> idea to make the program a little more user friendly to the =
> blind ham.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>> don't happen to have a linux machine here right now (its broken =
> on =3D
>>>>>>>> account of a power surge caused by lightning. and right now, I =
> can't =3D
>>>>>>>> even get a live distribution of linux to load on the windows =
> machine
>>>>>>>> (I
>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>> have no access to the BIOS to change those settings). THe screen =
> on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>> windows machine is also broken, so visual help is rather =
> unusable.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> anyway, if any of you have any ideas on how to get around this I =
> would
>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>> appreciate it.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> -eric
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
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