Well, I seriously doubt if they'd do anything unless you were talking
lots and lots of money. Norton has been approached for years by gw
micro and others, and they just flat don't give a damn. Even if they
agreed, they'd have to have a clue what it took to make something
accessible. How many "talking" cell phones have we seen over the years
that only talk through the first level of menus. You go to a varizon
store and you ask about a talking phone and they hand you one and say
"see the buttons talk when you push them." Not a clue!!!! I'd cough up
some dough if it were that easy.
The program I was trying to remember yesterday was calibre, supposed to
unlock books and convert a and so forth. Isn't accessible at all and
author says he doesn't care. Realisticly, how much money would it take
to get a program rewrite. The problem with most of this stuff is it has
to be a consideration when the project is started and often it is not.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.
On
Fri, 25 Jul 2014, John Miller wrote:
> You make that sound easy. I'm sure it would work but who has the extra money
> for something like that?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Oyen" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 2:11 AM
> Subject: Re: anyone else having problems with chirp in windows?
>
>
>> I figure, about the only way to make the author of chirp sit up and take =
>> notice is to purchase his time. throw a few thousand USD at him from =
>> distributed sources with the proviso that he make the needed changes, he =
>> will. Who in their right mind wouldn't take the money? Hell, if we could =
>> get the folks at NV association (makers of NVDA) to shove a small amount =
>> his way, and then we announce to the world that we donated to his =
>> project for the express purposes of getting a much needed feature =
>> included (accessibility), he would have to take best effort to do so or =
>> look bad in the FOSS community (taking money and then not doing as =
>> requested would be the same as if he black listed himself).
>>
>> most people don't think that a little money will work, but it is amazing =
>> what a few extra $$$ will do.
>>
>> -eric
>>
>> On Jul 24, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Butch Bussen wrote:
>>
>>> I agree, but they say it is accessible because it works with n v d a,=20=
>>
>>> not a good excuse in my book. However, the free stuff won't work at=20=
>>
>>> all. It is like that software for converting e books, I forget the=20
>>> name, but it won't work with speech at all and from what I've been =
>> told=20
>>> the author doesn't care. Wonderful! Wonderful!
>>> 73
>>> Butch
>>> WA0VJR
>>> Node 3148
>>> Wallace, ks.
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> On Wed, 23 Jul 2014, John=20
>>> Miller wrote:
>>> =20
>>>> Kenwood's free software is speech friendly. I see RTsystems software =
>> as
>>>> lacking pretty bad for what you pay then having to put another screen =
>> reader
>>>> on just for that software and I can't stand that screen reader. =
>> RTsystems
>>>> software was a lot better before than it is the last couple years.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Butch Bussen" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:24 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: anyone else having problems with chirp in windows?
>>>> =20
>>>> =20
>>>>> Yep, but it works and their cable works on other radios. As far as =
>> I
>>>>> 73
>>>>> Butch
>>>>> WA0VJR
>>>>> Node 3148
>>>>> Wallace, ks.
>>>>> =20
>>>>> =20
>>>>> know none of the "free stuff" will talk at all. So, what good is =
>> it. On
>>>>> Wed, 23 Jul 2014, Colin McDonald wrote:
>>>>> =20
>>>>>> yeah, except the RT systems software costs more than the damn =
>> radio.
>>>>>> And, you have to use their cable, so they say; an additional higher =
>> cost.
>>>>>> 73
>>>>>> Colin, V A6BKX
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> From: "Justin Mann" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 6:14 PM
>>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: anyone else having problems with chirp in windows?
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>> If possible I think you all should try the Rt systems programmers. =
>> They
>>>>>>> do work with Nvda, and the guy has made attempts to make his =
>> software
>>>>>>> accessible. yes you will have to pay a little, but the folks at
>>>>>>> Rtsystems
>>>>>>> will help.
>>>>>>> On Jul 23, 2014, at 7:11 PM, Colin McDonald =
>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>> I was able to get chirp to get past the welcome screen, but I =
>> don't
>>>>>>>> remember
>>>>>>>> how I did it...something to do with jaws cursor and using the =
>> left
>>>>>>>> mouse
>>>>>>>> button...once inside chirp however, it was limited in what was =
>> spoken
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> accessible...I could read the radio, and get partial information =
>> from
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> of the fields, but no where near enough to be able to program the =
>> radio
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> the software.
>>>>>>>> I could however access import/export functions which means I =
>> could
>>>>>>>> import
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> CSV file and write it to the radio...so if you can make up a =
>> spread
>>>>>>>> sheet
>>>>>>>> csv file with all the info you want to write to the radio, you =
>> should
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> able to make it work eventually.
>>>>>>>> This was several versions of chirp ago from about 2 years ago, so =
>> i
>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>> know if something has changed to make it totally unusable with =
>> jfw.
>>>>>>>> I didn't find it at all useful and found programming by hand was =
>> far
>>>>>>>> quicker
>>>>>>>> and easier than fighting with chirp.
>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>> 73
>>>>>>>> Colin, V A6BKX
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> From: "Eric Oyen" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 5:54 PM
>>>>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>> Subject: anyone else having problems with chirp in windows?
>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>> hello guys,
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>> does anyone else here have problems getting chirp to work in =
>> windows?
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>>> tried both the stable and development versions and I can't get =
>> past
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>>> opening screen on the program. In fact, I can't even tell whats =
>> in the
>>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>>> opening screen. Its blank to both jaws and NVDA. It also doesn't
>>>>>>>>> present
>>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>>> me with the standard elements in the pull down menu (in fact, no =
>> pull
>>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>>> down menus at all).
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>> I sent this problem over chirp users list as a feature request =
>> and
>>>>>>>>> bug
>>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>>> report. So far, no one has even deigned to respond to it. The =
>> last
>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>>> I tried to report it as a bug, I got a lot of pushback from some =
>> of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>>> other users and even the developer (who didn't seem interested =
>> in
>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>>> anything to change the interface). that was a year ago and as =
>> far as I
>>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>>> can tell, the attitude is still the same level of indifference =
>> as =3D
>>>>>>>>> before.
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>> now, since I am totally blind, and the windows machine has no =
>> screen,
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>>> can't use the program as it currently is configured.
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>> my other request on that list was for some scripts (jaws) that =
>> would =3D
>>>>>>>>> work with the chirp application. So far, about all I have heard =
>> from =3D
>>>>>>>>> there is crickets chirping (ha ha bad joke, but true).anyway, =
>> can I
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>>> a little help convincing the developer of chirp that it would be =
>> a
>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>>> idea to make the program a little more user friendly to the =
>> blind ham.
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>>> don't happen to have a linux machine here right now (its broken =
>> on =3D
>>>>>>>>> account of a power surge caused by lightning. and right now, I =
>> can't =3D
>>>>>>>>> even get a live distribution of linux to load on the windows =
>> machine
>>>>>>>>> (I
>>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>>> have no access to the BIOS to change those settings). THe screen =
>> on
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>>> windows machine is also broken, so visual help is rather =
>> unusable.
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>> anyway, if any of you have any ideas on how to get around this I =
>> would
>>>>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>>>>> appreciate it.
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>> -eric
>>>>>> =20
>>>>>> =20
>>>> =20
>>>> =20
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