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On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Jean-Louis Tu wrote:

> I think Duesberg's position is not that the HIV virus doesn't exist, but
> that AIDS is not caused by HIV. I am not qualified to comment on his
> arguments (but apparently he hasn't convinced so many scientists). I
> am wondering if he is seropositive himself; if not, would he agree to
> be injected with HIV?

According to Dr. Turner, a part of the Perth group at the Royal Perth
Hospital in West Australia, the evidence for HIV does not exist. That
doesn't mean it might not exist, but there is no proof tht the antibody
tests indicate HIV infection. The Perth group has challenged the evidence
for an HIV virus since it appeared in the 1980s because rigirous,
scientific method required for proving the existence of a virus (which
involves isolating a particle and then replicating it) has not been
respected for HIV. Luke Montaigne, credited with being the discoverer of
HIV, in an interview published in _Continuum Magazine_ acknowledges that
when they looked in the speciman they did not see any virus particles and
his published electron microscope photographs came from the culture, not
from the purified material extracted and held up to be pure HIV.

Without evidence of particles there can be no virus, no matter what else
is found, Dr. Turner and the Perth group argues. Whereas they did find
things in their cultures that are characteristic of retro viruses, they
are not unique to retro viruses. A virus is a particle, not an unembodied
piece of protein or RNA.

If there is no evidence for the HIV virus, then the question is, when
pathologists are testing individuals for viral load, what are they
measuring? When testing for viral load, the first and most basic thing one
needs to know is where the patient's speciman of DNA or RNA came from that
is being used in the test. The test for viral load depends on matching a
specimen of RNA or DNA that is mixed with a person's tissues to see if a
match is made. The Perth Group argues that since the HIV viral particle
has never been isolated, there is no way that the RNA that is used in
viral load tests could have been extracted from an HIV viral particle.
Consequently, since the origin of the RNA is unkonwn, one cannot claim to
be measuring a viral load.

Dr. Turner explains that HIV antibody tests use DNA or RNA that comes from
the cultures but its exact genesis is unkown. RNA is souced from the
so-called HIV. The RNA is selected on its chemical basis because it is
thought that the RNA of a retro virus might be a particular size. Then
they test this RNA against the patient and these patients have a certain
quality of this RNA in their cells, depending on how it's done. Dr.
Turner stresses that we do not know the biological significance of this
match. He underscores the fact that there is no way one can say that the
RNA used in HIV antibody testing comes from a viral particle.

Lucia

for a good collection of artciles on HIV and AIDS, see

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