Mark Hovila) writes:
<<
It may be semantics, but then again it may not. I just think it is
important that we not deceive ourselves into thinking we are somehow
performing some noble deed on the animal's behalf when we use words like
"merciful" and "compassionate." If extraterrestrials visited our planet
and began gathering up humans to kill and eat, >>
bob:
In my vwegan years, I found it difficult to justify killing and eating ANY
life form, especially poor, innocent PLANTS, who NEVER kill nor eat animals,
nor even other plants (by definition, what makes them a"plants" is their
ability to draw their nutrition from inorganic sources (air, water, soil)
while we animals, by definition, must hire a plant to convert our nutrients
to an organic form, then show our gratitude by killing & eating the plant,
often most unmercifully, eating them raw and live.
It seemed more "just", if we must kill to survive, to kill ANIMALS, not
plants, 'cause after all, all animals kill to live, so they ought to expect
being killed so that others can live, yes? Ayn Rand called the altruist,
egalitarian philosophies that are used to justify statist, socialist
exploitation of the indidual "philosophy for ants". I usta think of veganism
as "a philosophy for PLANTS", not only-anti-human, but anti-animal. The next
step, which some of my good friends have taken, is "philosophy for rocks",
like EarthSave, whose logical extensionis get ALL life forms off the earth so
it can exist without being destroyed by organic stuff.
Mebbe Tom's right; we 100% raw folk ARE mentally unbalanced, obviously!
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The list is (lightly) moderated. Its basic goal is to promote discussions
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The volume there is pretty high. There are a few excellent contributions,
as well as a few crazies and a few "zealots". A vast majority of
messages are from raw vegetarians, and it is very difficult to send
posts about animal food without being criticized. Thus, that list
may be more suited to vegetarians, but on the other hand, is somewhat
polluted by zealotry.
Best,
Jean-Louis
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In a message dated 97-08-10 12:35:31 EDT, [log in to unmask] (Mark
Hovila) writes:
<<
It may be semantics, but then again it may not. I just think it is
important that we not deceive ourselves into thinking we are somehow
performing some noble deed on the animal's behalf when we use words like
"merciful" and "compassionate." If extraterrestrials visited our planet
and began gathering up humans to kill and eat, >>
bob:
In my vegan years, I found it difficult to justify killing and eating ANY
life form, especially poor, innocent PLANTS, who NEVER kill nor eat animals,
nor even other plants (by definition, what makes them a"plants" is their
ability to draw their nutrition from inorganic sources (air, water, soil)
while we animals, by definition, must hire a plant to convert our nutrients
to an organic form, then show our gratitude by killing & eating the plant,
often most unmercifully, eating them raw and live.
It seemed more "just", if we must kill to survive, to kill ANIMALS, not
plants, 'cause after all, all animals kill to live, so they ought to expect
being killed so that others can live, yes? Ayn Rand called the altruist,
egalitarian philosophies that are used to justify statist, socialist
exploitation of the individual "philosophy for ants". I usta think of
veganism as "a philosophy for PLANTS", not only-anti-human, but anti-animal.
The next step, which some of my good friends have taken, is "philosophy for
rocks", like EarthSave, whose logical extensionis get ALL life forms off the
earth so it can exist without being destroyed by organic stuff.
Mebbe Tom's right; we 100% raw folk ARE mentally unbalanced, obviously!n a
message dated 97-08-10 15:53:36 EDT, [log in to unmask] writes:
<< lettuce can taste to good that I can easily eat a whole one or more.
I conclude that RAF doesn't decrease my need for leafy veggies.
Lettuce (I like romaine too) is the only vegetable I eat almost every =
day,
but it seems a bit "too easy". Our ancestors certainly ate more than
one kind of leaves. So, I avoid eating ONLY lettuce as vegetables, but
it's not easy. Typically, it takes 3-4 weeks for me to finish a
cauliflower.
>>
Bob:
Yup, me too. Romaine seems a great water source a while after eating dead
animals. Cauliflower & broccoli, great favorites in huge quantities in '91
when I was steaming veggies, now are seldom appealing & usually only the
stems of broccoli are delicious
'ealth, 'appiness, animality & long life to y'all,
Bob.
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