where would our people be without your universities? we can't even train
guide dogs.
well, i'll try to answer that intelligently, though it hardly deserves a
response.
Firstly, Canadian universities are highly respected around the world, and we
have some of the worlds brightest minds, and most highly sought after
universities in the world. The only brain drain to the US from our
universities tends to be in the medical field because doctors can charge far
more for the same services and get away with it. they can double or tripple
their yearly income in the US because americans have been brain washed into
believing that they need to pay huge amounts of money for a specific skill
set. and, as long as there is no national healthcare, they'll continue to
be brain washed into believing this.
Our education system originated the same place the US education system did,
in Europe and England/germany specifically.
Our guide dog trainers originated the same places the US's trainers did, in
europe, in highly socialist Switzerland. And, after that, again, good old
England.
Sure a nice perk that these guide dog schools offer low to no cost training
and placement of a dog isn't it. Certainly smacks of socialism. I guess
next time a true red blooded capitalist american wants to go for a guide
dog, he or she better anti-up the 40 or 50000 it costs the school to raise
and train that dog. It's capitalism and a free country after all right?
Access laws and laws against prejudice should be thrown out as well. After
all, they infringe on the rights of others to be free, and speak and do as
they see fit.
To think that the US is the only place on earth with good education, good
services and good citizens is terribly narrow minded and ignorant to say the
least.
a great country without a doubt, but indemic in its social problems and to
ignore that is to be ignorant period.
there is no America bashing going on here, but just a honest assessment of
the problems that do exist.
Patriotism is well and good, and keeps ones sence of self in balance, but to
take that beyond reason, logic and even intelligent rationale is plain bull
headed.
I think we refer to it as "red neck".
same sort of inductive reasoning that leads to racism and prejudiced against
stereotypes.
taking few facts, refusing to accept other facts, and building ones entire
point of view on that.
then throwing patriotic ferver into the mix just to keep up the appearance
of honesty.
the whole point here isn't to bash anyone or any country. My points earlier
were to make a case of how something can work. and the benefits that one
can obtain from that.
73
Colin, V A6BKX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: This has nothing to do with ham radio
> Not true! The US has had a total trade embargo against Cuba since 1963.
> Their doctors are educated domestically or maybe in some cases in
> Europe--that other evil bastion of socialism.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anthony Vece" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: This has nothing to do with ham radio
>
>
> Hey Colin;
>
> I can't speak intelligently about Cuba's health care however, where would
> th=
> ere DR.'s be without the education they receive in the USA.
> I'm sure your people couldn't do without our universities.
> Your people can't even teach guide dog training.
>
> You had to come here to the USA. to get proper training.
> When President Reagan was in office, your Prime Minister wouldn't cough or
> s=
> neeze without consulting our greatest President.
> So, tonight when you go qrt.
> thank God that we are the policemen of the world!
>
> 73 de Anthony w2ajv
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 12, 2010, at 6:33 PM, colin McDonald <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> absolutely.
>> Cuba has one of the best health care systems on earth for their
>> general=20=
>
>> population.
>> there might be allot of other things wrong with cuba, but their health
>> car=
> e=20
>> is second to none.
>> I would venture to guess that the US is the only industrialized, first
>> wor=
> ld=20
>> country that doesn't have a national health care system by which all=20
>> residents are treated to adequit and timely medical care without having
>> to=
> =20
>> pay for it directly.
>> Obviously taxes support a national health care system, but at least in
>> oth=
> er=20
>> countries, you don't have to pay your taxes, and pay for medical care on
>> t=
> op=20
>> of that.
>> The american way seems to be pay, pay, and pay some more, and still
>> not=20=
>
>> receive adequit service or care.
>> I would say that a country more interested in trillion dollar wars may
>> not=
> =20
>> see a good healthcare system for their population as a priority.
>> Canada didn't always have a healthcare system either, but the one we
>> have=20=
>
>> now, though always problematic as any large national organization is,
>> is=20=
>
>> adequit and timely as far as care goes on the front line.
>> No one must pay out of pocket, or go into debt to stay healthy or to
>> recei=
> ve=20
>> care for an illness. Or, stay sick because they can't pay.
>> We pay our federal and provincial taxes, and that is enough to provide
>> bas=
> ic=20
>> human needs for us.
>> what is the point in having a government, if that government won't
>> even=20=
>
>> assist the general population with basic human needs? sooers, running
>> and=20=
>
>> clean water, land, safety and security, healthcare, education and=20
>> employment.
>> those are absolute basics, and implementation of programs to meet
>> those=20=
>
>> needs doesn't fall under the definition of socialism.
>> Any government who is put in charge of a society or population can be
>> said=
> =20
>> to be socialist to one extent or another.
>> Socialism seems to be a catch all phrase for anything americans don't
>> like=
> =20
>> about federal programs. Throw up that red flag named socialism and
>> everyo=
> ne=20
>> starts thinking about the soviet union, cuba, china, and the eastern
>> block=
> .
>> social programs does not equal communism, two totally separate things.=20
>> Capitalism and the "american way" can thrive and still do very well under
>> a=
> =20
>> higher level of "socialist" style programs and services.
>> You pay less as a citizen, and you have more opportunities for education
>> a=
> nd=20
>> healthcare and employment. where is the negative here?
>> 73
>> Colin, V A6BKX
>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> From: "Howard Kaufman" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 4:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: This has nothing to do with ham radio
>>=20
>>=20
>>> They said the same thing about President Trumann. Let's wait thirty
>>> year=
> s
>>> and then judge.
>>> The Health Care Reform act is a bad law, but it's a start to put us on
>>> a=20=
>
>>> par
>>> with other industrialized nations. The problem is it doesn't reform the
>>> system. Money is made by curing catastrophic illnesses, not by
>>> preventin=
> g
>>> them. Where do you think the brightest minds in medicine go? Right to
>>> specialization rather than to primary care.
>>> America has the best health care in the world, that is if you have a=20
>>> million
>>> dollar illness like cancer. Your child has a higher statistical chance
>>> o=
> f
>>> living to the age of five in Cuba than he or she does by being born in
>>> America.
>>> We fiddle while Rhome burns.=20
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